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If it has a Multi Tracker it will be able to shoot three guns.

 ImAGeek wrote:
It can only shoot two guns anyway can't it?

Depends on how you read the shooting rules and how you interpret them...................... its often argued about.

And wraithknights are terrible, any good player can drop one in a turn, they do great against people that don't know how to deal with them. They are so bad in competitive environments, the only time they do well is when you can spam them

Seriously ? Seriously?

 Mr Morden wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
It can only shoot two guns anyway can't it?

Depends on how you read the shooting rules and how you interpret them...................... its often argued about.

I thought that was only for Gargantuan Creatures, which I doubt this will be?


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Caederes wrote:
If it has a Multi Tracker it will be able to shoot three guns.

Ah okay. I thought that just let you shoot at different targets.

Here is the full anonymous tip mentioned earlier.
Take this with a bucket of salt.

A couple insights to the new Ghostkeel model and some special rules
1. The torso can be open or closed to show a pilot inside. Both a male and female Tau are included. A good thing to possibly magnetize.
2. The Sensor Arrays are on the battlesuit look the same as the Shadowsun's.
3. The Stealth Drones carry stealth emitters underneath replacing the standard weapons.

Regarding special rules- no infiltration
-Fire Team
-Stealth
-Supporting Fire

Countermeasures. Once per game, you can disrupt the targeting of an enemy unit, if it is targeting the Ghostkeel's unit, before dice are rolled. That unit can only make snap shots during that shooting phase.

Monstrous Creatures can normally shoot two. Multitracker allows you to shoot an additional weapon. Therefore, Monstrous Creatures with multitracker can shoot three weapons. So if the Riptide had a third weapon, it could shoot it.

Yaknow i never noticed that but the people saying Riptides can fire 3 weapons are right. Though i dont think anything ever had 3 weapons without being a GMC as well.

Though i imagine thats a rule oversight since it seems nothing so far ever utilizes that. Stormsurge is a GMC so it fires everything anyway and far as we know the Ghostkeel and Riptide only have 2 guns at once.

And everyone is assuming that a multi tracker support system will do the same thing it always has.... Ohh wait, its already gone through two different rule sets, so why not a third.

The Ghostkeel is a new model, I really think it rules are not going to suck simply because GW will want to sell a few of the kits. However, I wonder how many kits will be bought simply to get the female head? I know its something I'd be interested in.

 Jayden63 wrote:
I really think it rules are not going to suck simply because GW will want to sell a few of the kits.

ehh, maybe not

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
I really think it rules are not going to suck simply because GW will want to sell a few of the kits.

ehh, maybe not

The rules didn't suck, they just didn't provide anything new that couldnt be gotten anywhere else. The flyers were a horizontal shift model. They didn't help or hurt your list by having them in or out of your lists. As such there was no reason to get one if you didn't fall in love with the model itself.

No, the rules are pretty bad. Not unplayable, but still bad, especially when compared to the barracuda.

I'm hoping the flyers do get a rewrite in their rules. Make them a more difficult choice to keep out of your list. Lots of potential there if done right.

The flyers aren't worth buying unless you like the model. I have many thousands of points (and dollars! Lol) of Tau, and have no inclination to buy the planes unless they get better.

Considering the Stormsurge is kinda mediocre i'd be surprised if the Ghostkeel wasnt Riptide-replacement fodder.

I think the reason the fliers werent crazy op is because it was released about the time GW was starting to weaken fliers. iirc starting with the Tau dex, fliers stopped being insanely strong each codex. Then 7th ed hit and made it worse lol.

I didn't want them to be OP, I wanted them to not be crap.

Whoa, went to the Games Workshop website, and saw the spinny thing on the home page with the Stormsurge -- that is pretty cool.

The flyers don't have to be OP. Just decent will do lol. Plus, they were competing with the rest of the FA slot in the CAD, so markerlights. It's even the same problem that Piranha's have. They are competing for markerlights, and just aren't good enough to lose in preference. Now with formations allowing you to bring stuff that may not necessarily need to compete for the same slot allows you to bring markerlights and piranhas or planes or what have you. Like you could now bring tanks and broadsides with formations.

I use a full squad of piranhas every game and they never disappoint me. I actually loathe pathfinders, i rarely use them at all. Either offensive or supportive. Reason being: theyre expensive enough that when you lose them it kinda hurts and theyre a VERY high priority, easy to kill target. I commonly lose FB to them because people will divebomb for them. I hate that so damn much.

My ML support comes from drones, shas'ui's in firewarrior units, and skyrays. Yes i can only dump loads of ML support from one squad (missilepod crisis suits + ml drones) but i more want consistent coverage than tons of marks on a single unit.

Personally I prefer tetras for markerlights, and remoras if I'm bringing air. So honestly, that's where my FA slots went. Only brought Pathfinders if it was a no Forge World game.

I do like the idea of the Ghostkeel having something of an interior, here's hoping it is true.

It's actually like a deadknight, but with a stealth suit instead of a termie.

Never used any FW models except proxied in Y'vahra. Tetras seemed kinda pricy to me but everyone gives them so much praise i may just be seeing them wrong.

Though ive wanted a Barracuda for awhile. The pricetag of the models + rulebook kinda deterred me from doing it.

Barracudas are well worth it, if you can afford them, and tetras are great, and can be pretty easily converted out of piranhas.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Considering the Stormsurge is kinda mediocre i'd be surprised if the Ghostkeel wasnt Riptide-replacement fodder.

I think the reason the fliers werent crazy op is because it was released about the time GW was starting to weaken fliers. iirc starting with the Tau dex, fliers stopped being insanely strong each codex. Then 7th ed hit and made it worse lol.

The Ghostkeel is an elite choice that comes with 2 stealth drones for each Ghostkeel. It's a Jet Pack Monstrous Creature, and you can take 1-3. It has the normal Tau BS 3 with 4 wounds, but only a T5. However the 3+ save with +2 to it's cover save outside of 12" should make up for it.

The main gun- Fusion Collider is an 18" S8 AP1 melta blast gun that can be exchanged for a Ion weapon that is more infantry based with a S7AP4 Assault 6 gun that can overcharge for additional strength and a large blast.

It also has a twin- linked flamer that can be exchanged out for a TL bust cannon or fusion blaster.

The model has gear that doubles the cover saves to a max of +2 but also gains shrouded from it's drones. It seems powerful with stealth, shrouded, and the limited doubling, but I have not had time to read the details to see what stacks.

Two support systems are also allowed for upgrades. Cost wise its a little over a hundred and a quarter.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Never used any FW models except proxied in Y'vahra. Tetras seemed kinda pricy to me but everyone gives them so much praise i may just be seeing them wrong.

But Tetras are the cheapest vehicle en the entire game... less than 40p for 2 TL markerlights, Scout and homing beacons? They're a steal!

Yeah, tetras are money lol

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Barracudas are well worth it, if you can afford them, and tetras are great, and can be pretty easily converted out of piranhas.

Not really. I tried using my tetras as backup piranhas until I actually took a pic of the two side by side.



The difference is huge even if you converted it.

theyre cheaper than piranhas? i must be thinking of something else for some reason for the price then because i thought they were on par in cost but lacked the drones (so actually more expensive) and less armor. But the armor isnt that big a deal since 36" range lol.

Piranhas are literally my mobile wall. Them and the 10 drones they dump off almost always stall my opponent for 3 turns. They piss off my opponents so much lol.

 warboss wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Barracudas are well worth it, if you can afford them, and tetras are great, and can be pretty easily converted out of piranhas.

Not really. I tried using my tetras as backup piranhas until I actually took a pic of the two side by side.



The difference is huge even if you converted it.

One you take the wings off the aren't too different, definitely not enough to matter to me. And nobody is really going to complain, as the slight size difference i actually better for those attacking it.

Piranha's are good, but as soon as you run into someone who can outrange you (easy to do with 18" range on everything) and can kill FA 11 w/ 2 HP (which is everything Str 5 and up) makes them a very fragile unit. Yeah, Piranha's are nice because of the drones and their ability to race in with fusion blasters as a suicide antitank unit, but a round of fire from a heavy bolters or autocannons or better and you're done. For suicide antitank, fusion suits are just better, particulalry when you take into account three suits with double fusion is only 156 points for 6 shots,and then you add two Tetras for marker lights (averaging 3 hits) gives you BS 5 and a spare in case you need someone else to hit it to finish it off for only 226 points. Then the Tetras can move targets, reposition themselves way more quickly than Pathfinders, and have rifles, too.

Yeah, you don't have the annoyance of 10 drones running around, but honestly drones are pretty pathetic, IMO.

Nope, i want them to die first. Like i said theyre a mobile wall. Their sole purpose is to be a cockblock, not do damage.

They prevent assaulty races from getting to me with any real speed because they have to deal with piranhas AND drones first, both something they'd rather not waste their time on. And if they ignore them/try to go around theyre in for a world of hurt. More often than not they have to use multiple units assaulting them or dump heavy weapons into them, which makes my Hammerhead/Skyrays happy

I never get the fusion upgrade because then i take away the reason i want them - cannon fodder. I play both my tau and orks in a distraction method where NOTHING is loaded with half my points if i can help it, but i either have tons of multi-prong attacks or stuff that are there to do nothing but waste your time/piss you off. For my Orks thats MANz missiles flying up both flanks lol...you either deal with the cheap manz missiles and face my army head on, or deal with the army and let the MANz get the assault which is never good for you.

Not quite the same with Tau but thats the point of the Piranhas/Drones. They dont assault obviously but they can lay on a LOT of hurt if you ignore them. Especially the drones even if you only give them a single ML to boost to BS3 they become NASTY. And rarely go away in one swoop.