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 Nilok wrote:
Sorry if this is a bit too derp RAW, but it never revokes the permissions for what the commander can take.

It does. You can take the coldstar suit instead of the other options.

It seems clear to me that it can only take the two Support Systems and two Drones, not that I think any of the current Signature Systems would actually improve it (assuming you use it in the air where it belongs) aside from Iridium Armour.

Its obvious that the Coldstar cant take Signature systems

via ATT

Christ, how difficult is it to take a photograph? lol. Also, interesting that the Coldstar suit has FMC but no Fear, Smash or Vector Strike additional rules for being one.

I think it's because it acts like an FMC but doesn't really have the mass to do things like cause fear, smash targets, or vector strike into things without blowing up itself haha

I think it fits it's design well!

They wanted the mobility and defense of a flyer without making him a vehicle, essentially.

its a rules leak strip tease XD, such a sadistic photographer XD

Gohan being the Coldstar. Batman being the Y'vahrah this thing so desperately wants to be.

So the Coldstar can only have a burst cannon?

 Medium of Death wrote:
So the Coldstar can only have a burst cannon?

It can only have a High Output Burst Cannon (New weapon) and a missile pod. And two items from the support list.

I like the fact that Breachers, ColdStar (and probably somebody else) have ability to 'forget' their drones, missile turret etc. on the field...
And when they land again, they just have them back!


It will create a havoc on the field! Enemies of the Greater Good will never stand a chance!

It's a curious upgrade, but... not soooo interesting. IFf the HOBC is a good weapon, I might field a XV86. T4 is too flimsy

Assuming the shield generator and commander stay the same points wise, it's 170 for a flying commander with whatever the highoutput burst cannon is and a missile pod. Well, 145 without, but why wouldn't you take a 4++ on your fragile T4 commander?

 Crazyterran wrote:
Assuming the shield generator and commander stay the same points wise, it's 170 for a flying commander with whatever the highoutput burst cannon is and a missile pod. Well, 145 without, but why wouldn't you take a 4++ on your fragile T4 commander?

Why spend 170p on it? For +10p I field a Riptide, or a complete MP unit of Crisis.

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Assuming the shield generator and commander stay the same points wise, it's 170 for a flying commander with whatever the highoutput burst cannon is and a missile pod. Well, 145 without, but why wouldn't you take a 4++ on your fragile T4 commander?

Why spend 170p on it? For +10p I field a Riptide, or a complete MP unit of Crisis.

I know right. This Coldstar is a joke.

It makes sense that you lose smash, fear and vector. Those are things associated with monstrous creatures. The suit is literally not that big. Its size doesn't strike fear, it doesn't have the weight and strength to rip through armor with its bare hands. Its fluffy that it loses those things. But it gains the movement and defense benefits of being a flyer.

 Gamgee wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:

I know right. This Coldstar is a joke.

Getting Swoop for 25pts* is a pretty good deal imo.


*Assuming that missile pods remain 15pts and the HOBC is roughly 20 (given that a regular BC is 10)

On a different note - you know you can express mild opinions, right? Everything doesn't have to 'totally suck' or be a 'joke', you can just say you don't like it and list the reasons why. Hyperbole just makes people disinclined to seriously consider what you have to say.

 Gamgee wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Assuming the shield generator and commander stay the same points wise, it's 170 for a flying commander with whatever the highoutput burst cannon is and a missile pod. Well, 145 without, but why wouldn't you take a 4++ on your fragile T4 commander?

Why spend 170p on it? For +10p I field a Riptide, or a complete MP unit of Crisis.

I know right. This Coldstar is a joke.

With how riptides were why field anything else...

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Assuming the shield generator and commander stay the same points wise, it's 170 for a flying commander with whatever the highoutput burst cannon is and a missile pod. Well, 145 without, but why wouldn't you take a 4++ on your fragile T4 commander?

Why spend 170p on it? For +10p I field a Riptide, or a complete MP unit of Crisis.

Riptide points are not known at this time - they may be more (or even less!).

Most Dark Eldar Players had bought multiple Ravagers - screwed over in the new codex and guess what most Tau players have bought Riptides. It seems with GW that they like extremes so the Riptide will likely be made overpriced or more overpowered like Wraith Kinghts,

T4 is not that bad - lots of non Marine factions have T3 to contend with.

The partial FMC rules are a good fit - well for as long as they keep using MC rules for non MCs

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Assuming the shield generator and commander stay the same points wise, it's 170 for a flying commander with whatever the highoutput burst cannon is and a missile pod. Well, 145 without, but why wouldn't you take a 4++ on your fragile T4 commander?

Why spend 170p on it? For +10p I field a Riptide, or a complete MP unit of Crisis.

The riptide might get nerfed, and even if it doesn't, it's generally considered undercosted (the IA version anyway). Compared to a squad of pure missile crisis suits, you are immune to blasts, templates and assaults, can only be hit on 6's by 90%+ guns in the game, have a far greater degree of speed and can skyfire. Admittedly if the high output burst cannon is only a burst cannon with 1 more shot it will be leaning on underpowered, but if its an assault 6 burst cannon with rending (or something else equally powerful), it will be a versatile little unit capable of threatening most units on the ground or in the skies. We'll have to wait and see what the high output burst cannon does and what, if any, formation bonuses this gets. The sky isn't falling just yet.

 chalkobob wrote:
Compared to a squad of pure missile crisis suits, you are immune to blasts, templates and assaults, can only be hit on 6's by 90%+ guns in the game, have a far greater degree of speed and can skyfire.

As my brother puts it, for his Orks there is not much difference between hitting on a 6 or a 5. It would still only take 1 str 8 AP3 hit to take out your commander :(, although I suppose you can jink now, but I'd rather have my 2+ save than 4+ and 50% less hits (in the case of Orks, when not twinlinking cause for deffkopta's its only 25%).

As with all things we have seen so far, its pretty meh on its own/with what we know, but we'll have to see what the codex brings in order to render final judgement.

Mr Morden wrote:
T4 is not that bad - lots of non Marine factions have T3 to contend with.

The partial FMC rules are a good fit - well for as long as they keep using MC rules for non MCs

But there is no FMC with T4 or less, currently. All you need is 1 failed Grounded test.

chalkobob wrote:
The riptide might get nerfed, and even if it doesn't, it's generally considered undercosted (the IA version anyway). Compared to a squad of pure missile crisis suits, you are immune to blasts, templates and assaults, can only be hit on 6's by 90%+ guns in the game, have a far greater degree of speed and can skyfire. Admittedly if the high output burst cannon is only a burst cannon with 1 more shot it will be leaning on underpowered, but if its an assault 6 burst cannon with rending (or something else equally powerful), it will be a versatile little unit capable of threatening most units on the ground or in the skies. We'll have to wait and see what the high output burst cannon does and what, if any, formation bonuses this gets. The sky isn't falling just yet.

FMCs aren't immune to those, as long as the shooter has Skyfire. Only Flyers are immune to those.
As you said, if the HOBC is a good weapon, I'll field one just for the kicks of it. If it isn't..., well, I can find Skyfire somewhere else.

@ MoD_Legion: Well yeah, but basically every other army in the game does care about snapshots.

Not to mention only 3 units in the Ork codex can spam non-blast S8 AP2/3 weapons, and all of them aren't that tough.

Assuming the shield generator remains that same, ~420pts of Deffkoptas are required to kill a Coldstar w/ shield in a single turn if my maths are correct. That's 3 FA slots btw, and all those shots would be better spent on normal crisis suits.

MoD_Legion wrote:

 chalkobob wrote:
Compared to a squad of pure missile crisis suits, you are immune to blasts, templates and assaults, can only be hit on 6's by 90%+ guns in the game, have a far greater degree of speed and can skyfire.

As my brother puts it, for his Orks there is not much difference between hitting on a 6 or a 5. It would still only take 1 str 8 AP3 hit to take out your commander :(, although I suppose you can jink now, but I'd rather have my 2+ save than 4+ and 50% less hits (in the case of Orks, when not twinlinking cause for deffkopta's its only 25%).

As with all things we have seen so far, its pretty meh on its own/with what we know, but we'll have to see what the codex brings in order to render final judgement.

Orks have a hard enough time against Tau that I don't really mind them being able to kill this one unit efficiently. It still will probably be an uphill battle for Orks anyway.

You know, thinking about the ColdStar, I have a pretty major thought: is that bonding knife in the picture modeled on the jetpack already? I hope not, there are much better places for it.

Oh man.. I feel the need to get a Coldstar Commander and model it on top of some imperial building like it's flying over it. Even if I'm not going to play Tau this just needs to happen!

SaJeel wrote:
Its obvious that the Coldstar cant take Signature systems

I'm not sure its obvious one way or the other. Formatting the options through indentations would certainly have made it more obvious. from the words on the page I'd say it can't, though I'm not sure if that holds if there is any text in the signature systems codex section that discerns if Signiture systems replace weapon/system hardpoints.

Rule-wise, I think the Coldstar is just fine.... it's not a no-brainer choice one way or the other. I honestly don't want EVERY Tau player wanting to field it, because then it takes away from the uniqeness of MY army.

Personally, I can definately make the ColdStar work for me on the tabletop, and I'm already in the process of Scratchbuilding my own! I feel lucky that a "House rules" model I was building actually got official rules it could use!

I'm keen to know what the High output Burst Cannon is. Burst Cannon with Assault 6 is my best guess. Burst Cannonwith Rending would my my wishlist, but unlikely given the adjective promoting volume over velocity.

It's very obvious.

May take ranged weapons and support systems.
May take signature systems.
Alternatively, may take a Coldstar with x weapons.
If so, may also take support systems.


Full stop. The XV86, in the WD rules printed, removes the sigsys options, and does not grant them again. Plain as day.

No, it might not be worded the same in the codex. Won't know until we're reading it. But the WD rules are pretty clear.

maceria wrote:
You know, thinking about the ColdStar, I have a pretty major thought: is that bonding knife in the picture modeled on the jetpack already? I hope not, there are much better places for it.

The bonding knife looks like it's on the jet pack of a normal crisis suit, not commander/Coldstar, and I doubt it'll be modelled on already.