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Not reliable at all. Lord of War Gaming basically gave them all their rumors that came true. Well they echoed from him more like.

We know nothing about the sculpt of the Tidewall or anything really aside from a few pictures and yet people are frothing at the mouth that they couldn't get one. This is exactly what GW wants, rampant impulse purchases. Maybe everyone that didn't get one have done themselves a favour. Let's wait and see?

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Well....thats facepalm worthy...

I guess it reset my country of origin somehow. Never had that happen before without it just asking me where im from.

Nevermind lol

I think it's secret market research carried out periodically by GW in which they re-route the US site to the AUS/NZ one then scour forums to see if anyone is saying "Hey, $50 for a single monopose plastic model? What a bargain!"

Bradeh wrote:
We know nothing about the sculpt of the Tidewall or anything really aside from a few pictures and yet people are frothing at the mouth that they couldn't get one. This is exactly what GW wants, rampant impulse purchases. Maybe everyone that didn't get one have done themselves a favour. Let's wait and see?

I figured I'd buy it and not open it and see if its any good in 1-2 weeks when the rules come out. If it sucks then I can always return it!

NanoHvirus wrote:Hey guys does this help?

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/10/40k-new-tau-tidewall-rampart-details.html

All the way at the bottom it says: BoLS has been informed the Tidewall Rampart will be a limited run as a combined boxed set, so buy it while you can. It will return in time as separate standalone components.

I'm not sure how reliable Bell of Lost Souls is when it comes to rumors, but it's something to go on at least.

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Rainyday wrote:Really, it's gone already? By the time I even knew they were taking preorders it's flat-out gone.

Why are limited preorders even a thing? Isn't the whole point of preorders so you can make exactly the number you need to meet demand? Limited time I can understand, but why is everyone doing limited quantity preorders nowadays?

You seem to misunderstand the point of limited preorders. They are not there to gauge demand, they are there to guarantee product sales by creating artificial scarcity. But ten minutes is fast even by GW standards. And here I thought that the Eldar Limited Edition codexes went quickly!

Somewhere, Jervis Johnson is cackling maniacally into the night. "The Fools! The Fools! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Seeing as BOLS list of the components in the Big Box O'Tidewall is missing the non-railgun/non-drone "ring" component, it's a rumor right on par with their usual quality.

But I do hope that the "separate component" releases will happen, as well, even if it means the blind squirrel (BOLS) finding a nut for once.


Too bad we'll probably have to wait for codex releases to see any further movement on other xenos terrain, though.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Yoyoyo wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
Contrary to some posters you can compare this thing to being 2 carnifexes with FNP, and those are laughably easy to kill, the difference is you were nice enough to put them in 1 gigantic spot and spend more points to do so.

It will be unlikely you will ever anchor it against a decent player and its weapons are just meh. Even fire at double at B5 it struggles at killing a tactical squad in the open, and gods help you if go against grav.

Carnifexes don't have Interceptor, Skyfire or a 4++ which is almost a guaranteed add on the Stormsurge.

Multiple S10AP1 blasts are not going to struggle against Tac squads or even Grav Cents. It has a Skyfire D weapon that you can combo with Ignore Cover, it has 60" range missiles that hit at AP1, it has Stomp and a 12" move, it's got tons of S5 in a single unit that will economise Markerlights... this is good. It will handle FMC, drop armies, Gladius MSU, Decurion, hordes, whatever. At 400-ish points each with upgrades, you are getting close to 2x Stormsurges for the price of a super tuna + bubblewrap or even a maxed-out FSC. That's a very respectable comparison.

I think a lot of the hate is due to players who wanted an ultra-durable castling gunline centrepiece, instead they got a door-kicker with a shotgun. A curveball Tau list with 2 Stormsurges could win LVO, and Tau players would probably still hate it due to T6/3+ and the anchoring mechanic. It all seems a little irrational.

First, blast weapons can't hit flyers or FMCs/ FGMCs. Even if they have skyfire they can't. Besides, the D is at 10", not a real game-changer, except against something like an assaulting knight (and if the knight survives, the suit is beyond dead because of the knights CC abilities and weapons). And those big scary missiles, are actually just 4 seeker missiles without the ability to to fire ignoring cover+LOS for s single marker. Not anything new at all. In fact, they are worse than seekers.

Also, we have no ideas what the support system retriciton in the codex will be, or even what will be removed. It will probably have a sheild generator available (judging from the pics), but probably the same as a riptide (5++), so it's not a big deal).

Now, I'm not one of the crowd who things this thing is weak, it seems very balanced to me, neither weak nor strong, I just find it underwhelming in what it does. We seriously don't need more anti-horde.

No the strength 5 shots can though. It has a decent amount of those

FMC and FMGC can indeed be hit by blasts. Check the BRB. Restriction is only on flyers.

jakejackjake wrote:


No the strength 5 shots can though. It has a decent amount of those

Yes, but (assuming it doesn't get nerfed) you could just use breadsides for that. Mass S7 is better than mass S5 any day of the week.


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vitae_drinker wrote:
FMC and FMGC can indeed be hit by blasts. Check the BRB. Restriction is only on flyers.

Eh, RAW, but that's now how we've ever played it where I'm from. Indeed, we didn't even know that was the case.

At the army box sets (tau and ravenwing) limited edition?

My GW guy seemed to think the Tau fortification was going to be produced again, so hopefully that isn't it in terms of one production run!

I love my Ghostkeel, it's always a delight to crack open a new GW kit.

 BrookM wrote:
I love my Ghostkeel, it's always a delight to crack open a new GW kit.

How do you find posing it? Did you go with the standard pose or remove the tabs to make it more flexible?

 Medium of Death wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I love my Ghostkeel, it's always a delight to crack open a new GW kit.

How do you find posing it? Did you go with the standard pose or remove the tabs to make it more flexible?

I went with a custom pose, so I cut away the small squares on the legs for a more upright position that I could stick onto a 60mm base, which made it a bit trickier to get everything together. But with a bit of patience, planning and good plastic glue it comes together like a dream.

It should be easy enough to proxy. Four Piranha wings ordered from bits, one hammerhead railgun left over from the kit, a few flying bases cut in half to act as the shield wall, and some ashtrays or petfood bowls, and you'll be able to make your own.

All you need is the rules available.

 BrookM wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I love my Ghostkeel, it's always a delight to crack open a new GW kit.

How do you find posing it? Did you go with the standard pose or remove the tabs to make it more flexible?

I went with a custom pose, so I cut away the small squares on the legs for a more upright position that I could stick onto a 60mm base, which made it a bit trickier to get everything together. But with a bit of patience, planning and good plastic glue it comes together like a dream.

Spoiler:

That looks really slick in that upright position. Nice work, man.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

jakejackjake wrote:


No the strength 5 shots can though. It has a decent amount of those

Yes, but (assuming it doesn't get nerfed) you could just use breadsides for that. Mass S7 is better than mass S5 any day of the week.


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vitae_drinker wrote:
FMC and FMGC can indeed be hit by blasts. Check the BRB. Restriction is only on flyers.

Eh, RAW, but that's now how we've ever played it where I'm from. Indeed, we didn't even know that was the case.

Well, when making rules calls it's generally best to know the rules. Just saying.

vitae_drinker wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

jakejackjake wrote:


No the strength 5 shots can though. It has a decent amount of those

Yes, but (assuming it doesn't get nerfed) you could just use breadsides for that. Mass S7 is better than mass S5 any day of the week.


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vitae_drinker wrote:
FMC and FMGC can indeed be hit by blasts. Check the BRB. Restriction is only on flyers.

Eh, RAW, but that's now how we've ever played it where I'm from. Indeed, we didn't even know that was the case.

Well, when making rules calls it's generally best to know the rules. Just saying.

Well, it's sort of the obvious assumption. Oh, snapfire against fliers"and FMCs, I guess that means no blast weapons." At least I think that was the casein 6th (I could be wrong). So we sort of looked at it and it appeared to be the same.

 TheNewBlood wrote:

You seem to misunderstand the point of limited preorders. They are not there to gauge demand, they are there to guarantee product sales by creating artificial scarcity. But ten minutes is fast even by GW standards. And here I thought that the Eldar Limited Edition codexes went quickly!

Somewhere, Jervis Johnson is cackling maniacally into the night. "The Fools! The Fools! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

True, but how much benefit do you really get out of it if even the people about to make a quick impulse purchase can't get one?

The tidewall and the new crisis suits were the only things I was interested in, and I didn't even need more suits. Now, I actually have time to think about it. I may not even need a tidewall, or maybe I'll just wait 6 months and buy a used one on ebay if the rules turn out to be crap.

I'm really not keen on how they are doing this release, I get that they are trying to drive customers into the stores for a prolonged period but from a buyers perspective this sucks. Due to the info blackouts I can't really budget for purchasing in advance, which if I were able to I'd probably actually spend more. Then all of the units are being released well in advance of the codex itself so it compounds things by not knowing what I'd need. As much as I'd like to run out and just buy 3 of every kit "just because" that's not a realistic option.

I caved and bought a storm surge last week so that I could work on something new, but because of that I had to put off purchasing a pair of ghostkeels. I would have rather bought those but the week in between was prime hobby time I wanted to utilize. Had there been an advertised release schedule I could have started planning 4-5 months ago and had money to put towards buying multiple stormsurges and ghostkeels along with crisis suits and breachers, but instead of being able to drop upwards of $1k on a release I can plan and budget for they only get $150 of my money and maybe some additional small sales in a couple months time...

40k is an expensive hobby, I'm not crying poormouth I accept those costs as part of the game but it's very frustrating the way they tiered these releases alongside their info blackouts. I don't mind paying for my hobby but a little advanced notice would do wonders for helping customers plan their purchases and at least in my case it'd help me prepare to spend more as a planned expense rather then when I make small purchases as spur of the moment shopping.

To me It just seems like they are hindering a lot of their own sales potential.

Just wanted to update on the little bumpy bit on the left arm of the Ghostkeels in the Ghostkeel wing photo and the back of the Stealth Shas'vre, as I read the White Dwarf and the bit is explicitly named!

It's a Drone Controller.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Clunker wrote:
On the issue of limited releases -

I was curious about the book included in the Infiltration Cadre Burning Dawn…

Is there any chance the book would be sold separately, rather than in that box - perhaps a few months later down the line?

It's not really a "book".

It's the same size as what came in Stormclaw and Deathstorm, a very small thing that gives you just enough to toy around with.

Well, I was mostly interested in the 'story' included, along with the new art; so, no chance of the book being released solo?

 paulson games wrote:
40k is an expensive hobby, I'm not crying poormouth I accept those costs as part of the game but it's very frustrating the way they tiered these releases alongside their info blackouts. I don't mind paying for my hobby but a little advanced notice would do wonders for helping customers plan their purchases and at least in my case it'd help me prepare to spend more as a planned expense rather then when I make small purchases as spur of the moment shopping.

To me It just seems like they are hindering a lot of their own sales potential.

I feel the same way, and I always tell the manager at my GW store this. It's hard to budget when I don't know what's coming, how expensive it will be, and whether or not I'll want more than one with all the blackouts. The result is I spend no money. I have some disposable income but not enough to impulse buy a $150 kit. I need to plan a bit. I'd love to pick up a Ghostkeel and some Firewarriors but I also want some Crisis Suits and the Commander, and I can't afford them all this month. So I just wait and buy one. If I'd known these were coming even 2 months ago I could have saved up and bought them all.

Were there even any rules out for the Tidewall? Or did people just buy it for the model?

There were some known things about it, such as it having four drones of your choice from the basic drones, a twin linked railgun (the thing on the Hammerhead), and that it could potentially deflect bullets. Though we didn't have any direct stats or point cost.

That being said, I was pretty hyped about it as it can be an actually cost effective rail gun.

We don't know any solid rules, just names and descriptions. Those give us pretty decent guesses.

So yes, people bought it mostly because that model is awesome.

Really awesome.


I agree Paulson, your insight is spot on about the release: it's very unfriendly to customers. It's a solid marketing strategy, but what's good for the company and whats good for the customer aren't always the same. At least the models are fantastic this time, mostly.

Got 2 ghostkeels from my FLGS. Didnt get a third since my dumbass forgot to tell them i would be buying 3 lol. Oh well.

The sprues are absolutely amazing. Opened one up in front of the store guy and both of us were just gushing over the pieces lol.
I was surprised how simple the cockpit looks to put together. I fully expected it to be a 5-6 piece thing if you wanted to bother, but no its fused right into the torso halves with a front bit, overhead bit, and of course the suit head.
Totally making my squad leader to have an open cockpit and have her in a pose out of it so i can actually see the cockpit inside (with the model you really cant see jack in there)

 Cirronimbus wrote:

 paulson games wrote:
40k is an expensive hobby, I'm not crying poormouth I accept those costs as part of the game but it's very frustrating the way they tiered these releases alongside their info blackouts. I don't mind paying for my hobby but a little advanced notice would do wonders for helping customers plan their purchases and at least in my case it'd help me prepare to spend more as a planned expense rather then when I make small purchases as spur of the moment shopping.

To me It just seems like they are hindering a lot of their own sales potential.

I feel the same way, and I always tell the manager at my GW store this. It's hard to budget when I don't know what's coming, how expensive it will be, and whether or not I'll want more than one with all the blackouts. The result is I spend no money. I have some disposable income but not enough to impulse buy a $150 kit. I need to plan a bit. I'd love to pick up a Ghostkeel and some Firewarriors but I also want some Crisis Suits and the Commander, and I can't afford them all this month. So I just wait and buy one. If I'd known these were coming even 2 months ago I could have saved up and bought them all.

This honestly always kinda confuses me. Sure, we don't know for certain what will be coming next, but rumours have indicated for months that Tau would be in October.

What you could've done is read the rumoured October release date, budgeted for a Tau release (say, $500-$1000 depending on how spendy you want to be) and save that up over the 3 months or so since the solid rumours about the release date started to surface.

Then, one of two outcomes would occur:

1. The Tau are released in October as rumoured, you've got your savings stashed away and can spend them gleefully on more plasticrack.

2. The rumours were false, the Tau aren't released, but now you have $500-$1000 to spend on whatever was released instead, or save for Christmas, or spend on booze, or buy your significant other something fancy, etc etc etc.

It's what I do and it works quite well. Either the rumours come true and my savings are ready to go, or they're false and I suddenly have a surplus of discretionary cash to throw around.

That said, GW is clearly not aiming for the cautious budgeters with their release structure - they want the impulse buyer, the splurger, not us reasonable financiers.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Got 2 ghostkeels from my FLGS. Didnt get a third since my dumbass forgot to tell them i would be buying 3 lol. Oh well.

The sprues are absolutely amazing. Opened one up in front of the store guy and both of us were just gushing over the pieces lol.
I was surprised how simple the cockpit looks to put together. I fully expected it to be a 5-6 piece thing if you wanted to bother, but no its fused right into the torso halves with a front bit, overhead bit, and of course the suit head.
Totally making my squad leader to have an open cockpit and have her in a pose out of it so i can actually see the cockpit inside (with the model you really cant see jack in there)

Is the open cockpit something you could put under the closed one, or is it made in such a way that you have to pick one or the other?

I really hope it's the former, since then I could magnetize the closed one and play in either form, or take off the enclosure to denote use of the Holopoint system.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:

This honestly always kinda confuses me. Sure, we don't know for certain what will be coming next, but rumours have indicated for months that Tau would be in October.

What you could've done is read the rumoured October release date, budgeted for a Tau release (say, $500-$1000 depending on how spendy you want to be) and save that up over the 3 months or so since the solid rumours about the release date started to surface.

Then, one of two outcomes would occur:

1. The Tau are released in October as rumoured, you've got your savings stashed away and can spend them gleefully on more plasticrack.

2. The rumours were false, the Tau aren't released, but now you have $500-$1000 to spend on whatever was released instead, or save for Christmas, or spend on booze, or buy your significant other something fancy, etc etc etc.

It's what I do and it works quite well. Either the rumours come true and my savings are ready to go, or they're false and I suddenly have a surplus of discretionary cash to throw around.

That said, GW is clearly not aiming for the cautious budgeters with their release structure - they want the impulse buyer, the splurger, not us reasonable financiers.

My bad perhaps I should have just dipped into my plastic Thunderhawk savings I've been sitting on for the last 15 years since "it's about to release next week". The forums are full of useless misleading info, additionally not everyone is super active online checking for rumors.

When I go to buy a PS4 or Xbox for example I generally have months of lead time to plan for buying a new system or a game. It may not be an exact date but they are pretty transparent about a release schedule, GW used to be that way as well but the black out system they have nowdays sucks. Privateer press still previews all of their upcoming items with distributors and retailers, but they actually want their independent retailers to support them and stock product, where GW would prefer for independent LGS's to feth off and make sure sales only flow to their direct stores and website.