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Thats why i dont have them. I have the old XV15s. 5 of them actually, i kitbashed a 6th out of a firewarrior lol (not exactly happy with it, stalking ebay right now for xv15s to get a 6th one)

Wonder why they would give them a piece with a base that does nothing. I mean, Orks have snotlings and oil grots that have no profile but are their own model. Theyre just there for the heck of it even though they are by no means required to be on the table.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Thats why i dont have them. I have the old XV15s. 5 of them actually, i kitbashed a 6th out of a firewarrior lol (not exactly happy with it, stalking ebay right now for xv15s to get a 6th one)

Wonder why they would give them a piece with a base that does nothing. I mean, Orks have snotlings and oil grots that have no profile but are their own model. Theyre just there for the heck of it even though they are by no means required to be on the table.

Because at the time, they were trying to make it so that each army had some kind of "scenery" piece for some of their kits.
Terminators had a Teleport Homer piece, Eldar got some shrine parts to put on their bases, Imperial Guard had sandbags for their HWTs, and Genestealers came with those little digestive pools.

Sorry, double post.

Ok.. other post was deleted, not sure why:

Atia mentioned that everything that isn't new is unchanged.

It's a cool little piece. I used it for my Tau Squid thing.



I can imagine it being a cool little detail piece on some of the larger suits.

I'm sure you could find somewhere on the XV-95 to put it.

Warhams-77 wrote:

LE Codex



Codex

can anyone translate what comes with the collectors codex?

What the second book? is that the kaylon book?

Some people jumping to some big conclusions based upon the german info on a supplement.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Now, moving on to a few things we do have confirmed.

I am VERY happy we have firewarriors with an option of 12 man squads, and can get the missile turret thing. I can see putting many of those in my army. Personally, I am going to convert a drone or something like that - gw is getting zero money from me for any of the new firewarriors.

One note on the firewarriors - there are a LOT of pistols on the spure - has anyone seen any CONFIRMED rules that those are more than just for modeling bits?
(i.e. do breachers or strikers actually get pistols? - maybe I missed it).

On the tidewall, in looking at the sprues - I am starting to like the kit...for all the conversion possibilities. Although - the sprues don't seem as ...dense as their newer designs...I am suprised they did not put more small bits in there.

On the campaign book ...thing...very interesting to see a BS4 piranha - even at 55 points. I hope that we have access to one in the basic codex, although 55 is still a lot for a one shot weapon. Will have to wait for actual codex however, before too much speculation.

Still waiting for;
Word on kroot
word on vespid
word on if flyers got some love
anything about vehicle upgrades
anything on riptide changes
anything on any new wargear.

If Vespid gained maybe Rending on their guns and melee attacks, that'd be cool.

From what we've heard and been told by GW themselves in the new WD is that all the new rules are in the new Tau supplement. It's possible to use your old codex and the new rules because there are no changes to the existing units.

A key thing to remember when pondering whether anything in the main codex will change is that the regular Fire Warriors went down from a 6-model minimum to a 5-model minimum.

This by itself indicates that they are willing to change basic unit entries, the codex isn't going to just be the 6th codex with the new units pasted into it - there'll be a multitude of minor changes plus the Hunter Detachment (and 9 other formations).

On top of this, they could easily change weapon profiles in the summary to change how HRR work, though I don't think they will.

Forgeworld take my money. I want the Ta'unar more than ever now.

 Gamgee wrote:
From what we've heard and been told by GW themselves in the new WD is that all the new rules are in the new Tau supplement. It's possible to use your old codex and the new rules because there are no changes to the existing units.

No, it does not say that at all.

That is a VERY BIG CONCLUSION which is not supported with complete data.

First of all - the source of this sounds a lot like marketing speak of saying "hey, we know this book is coming out before the new codex, but you can use this book just fine with your old codex, so please buy this book - we put everything you need in it".

That is not the same as "there are no changes in the old codex, and you don't need to buy the new codex".

It appears that the supplement only has a very few units in it - and those units are quite sepcialized, and even seem to mostly have proper noun names - JUST like the nid book did (the one with the named broodlord, carnifex with special rules, etc.). All the rules you need to play THOSE VERY FEW SPECIAL UNITS are in the book, which is very different from "this contains all the changes to the new codex".

All we know, is that the VERY FEW units in the supplement have their rules in the supplement. AND that the supplement can be played with the old codex.

Thats it, thats all we know. Anything past that is speculation.

Now, we can infer some possible new special rules, if we can see them in the supplement - but we can't infer what is NOT changed in the new codex.

um not realy. the german WD says clearly that we have the choice. eighter we use the old codex and the kayon kampain book OR the new released codex. in both cases we have the full rules.

but ur right. there is no info if there are not a bunch of erata in the kayon book that change a lot of things in the 2013 codex release

davethepak wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
From what we've heard and been told by GW themselves in the new WD is that all the new rules are in the new Tau supplement. It's possible to use your old codex and the new rules because there are no changes to the existing units.

No, it does not say that at all.

That is a VERY BIG CONCLUSION which is not supported with complete data.

First of all - the source of this sounds a lot like marketing speak of saying "hey, we know this book is coming out before the new codex, but you can use this book just fine with your old codex, so please buy this book - we put everything you need in it".

That is not the same as "there are no changes in the old codex, and you don't need to buy the new codex".

It appears that the supplement only has a very few units in it - and those units are quite sepcialized, and even seem to mostly have proper noun names - JUST like the nid book did (the one with the named broodlord, carnifex with special rules, etc.). All the rules you need to play THOSE VERY FEW SPECIAL UNITS are in the book, which is very different from "this contains all the changes to the new codex".

All we know, is that the VERY FEW units in the supplement have their rules in the supplement. AND that the supplement can be played with the old codex.

Thats it, thats all we know. Anything past that is speculation.

Now, we can infer some possible new special rules, if we can see them in the supplement - but we can't infer what is NOT changed in the new codex.

Somebody jumps to absurd conclusions in a DakkaDakka rumor thread? Preposterous! Only reasoned speculation supported by hard quality photographic evidence are allowed in here! I wish.

Seriously people, repeat after me: BOLS is not a reliable source! At this rate, we're going to need a "Ongoing BOLS Clickbait" thread. Any way we can fold that into rumor accuracy tracking?

Back on topic: It'll be interesting to see what the White Dwarf and Campaign Book spoilers say...once we get a decent-quality English scan. I don't think that even GW would be stupid enough to spend all this money and invest in these new kits if they were just going to reprint the existing codex. New units are almost always a clear sign of a rules update.

_ghost_ wrote:
um not realy. the german WD says clearly that we have the choice. eighter we use the old codex and the kayon kampain book OR the new released codex. in both cases we have the full rules.

but ur right. there is no info if there are not a bunch of erata in the kayon book that change a lot of things in the 2013 codex release

Philosophically, if it's possible to get all the game information in a new edition codex by taking a campaign book as patch plus the old edition codex, that would actually be pretty cool. It's still important that there are little tweaks here and there, and I would be *really* surprised if there were no unit tweaks between the last codex and this.

If I played a faction, personally, I would still want the new codex, because everything is then in one book. Plus, of course, there is usually nice photography, fluff, more consistent organization with other new books and that kind of thing.

Does anyone have the ENGLISH version of the White Dwarf yet?

Also: any good photo leaks of the Solaq contents (new forfmations, etc.) yet?

What is so confusing about the upcoming printed materials?

There will be four (4) items in print coming up.

They are:

– Codex: Tau Empire (It is the current codex PLUS the new models/stats/rules for them added to the existing book)

– Operation Shadowtalon (Raven Guard)

– Burning Dawn (Tau)

– War Zone Damocles: Kauyon (campaign book)

If you already have a 6th edition Codex: Tau Empire, you just need War Zone Damocles: Kauyon to get all the rules for the new models/stats/rules.

If you get War Zone Damocles: Kauyon, you get rules for both Tau (for the new units and Hunter Contingent) and Space Marines (Formations) plus new Fluff.

If you get the new Codex: Tau Empire, you get everything that’s in the Current Codex PLUS all the new models/stats/rules from War Zone Damocles: Kauyon

If you get either Operation Shadowtalon or Burning Dawn, you get some scenario-specific fluff and a formation or two, but that has nothing to do with the real new rules/formations. It is tweaked rules/stats for the scenarios only.

If the current units aren't changing, why is the Pirahna 55 points with BS4?

Caederes wrote:
If the current units aren't changing, why is the Pirahna 55 points with BS4?

Because its not THE NEW piranha.

Its a specific specially named unit, that has ITS specific rules in the supplement. We have ZERO ideas on what the stock pirahna will be like.

We have ideas on what a VERY select few units, in a very select book will be.

Thats it, thats all the book does. It has a few units, and the rules FOR THOSE UNITS.



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_ghost_ wrote:
um not realy. the german WD says clearly that we have the choice. eighter we use the old codex and the kayon kampain book OR the new released codex. in both cases we have the full rules.

but ur right. there is no info if there are not a bunch of erata in the kayon book that change a lot of things in the 2013 codex release

no, we have THE FULL RULES ONLY FOR THE UNITS IN THE campaign book.

are flyers in the campaign book? kroot? Riptides? No.

We have no idea on the future of units that are not the specifically named special units.

This is how bad rumors get started.

davethepak wrote:

Caederes wrote:
If the current units aren't changing, why is the Pirahna 55 points with BS4?

Because its not THE NEW piranha.

Its a specific specially named unit, that has ITS specific rules in the supplement. We have ZERO ideas on what the stock pirahna will be like.

We have ideas on what a VERY select few units, in a very select book will be.

Thats it, thats all the book does. It has a few units, and the rules FOR THOSE UNITS.



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_ghost_ wrote:
um not realy. the german WD says clearly that we have the choice. eighter we use the old codex and the kayon kampain book OR the new released codex. in both cases we have the full rules.

but ur right. there is no info if there are not a bunch of erata in the kayon book that change a lot of things in the 2013 codex release

no, we have THE FULL RULES ONLY FOR THE UNITS IN THE campaign book.

are flyers in the campaign book? kroot? Riptides? No.

We have no idea on the future of units that are not the specifically named special units.

This is how bad rumors get started.

Don't treat people like children if you want to have any credibility. I've just woken up and all I saw was a Pirahna with BS4 and people saying "the codex is the same as before". Seriously, feth off with the attitude.

This is not a rumor. this is what is written in the german WD leak. and there its clearly written that you have the choice old dex and that campain book OR the new dex. both with both ways you end up with the actual Tau rules.

"alle neue Inhalte" this means all new stuff. and if there are tweaks in already existing units.. well this counts as new stuff.

War Zone Damocles: Kauyon

Is the campaign book with all the new rules and that includes updated rules of existing units.

The two starter boxed set things are just that. Boxed sets and not campaign books.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/10/tau-codex-reprint-not-actually-needed.html

 Gamgee wrote:
War Zone Damocles: Kauyon

Is the campaign book with all the new rules and that includes updated rules of existing units.

– Codex: Tau Empire (It is the current codex PLUS the new models/stats/rules for them added to the existing book)

– Operation Shadowtalon (Raven Guard)

– Burning Dawn (Tau)

– War Zone Damocles: Kauyon (campaign book)

If you already have a 6th edition Codex: Tau Empire, you just need War Zone Damocles: Kauyon to get all the rules for the new models/stats/rules.

If you get War Zone Damocles: Kauyon, you get rules for both Tau (for the new units and Hunter Contingent) and Space Marines (Formations) plus new Fluff.

If you get the NEW Codex: Tau Empire, you get everything that’s in the Current Codex PLUS all the new models/stats/rules from War Zone Damocles: Kauyon

If you get either Operation Shadowtalon or Burning Dawn, you get some scenario-specific fluff and a formation or two, but that has nothing to do with the real new rules/formations. It is tweaked rules/stats for the scenarios only.

However it should be noted that if all you want is the rules the codex is cheaper and will supply all the changes and unchanged stuff and formations ect. Just not the fluff and space marine stuff from the War Zone. It would be cheaper to get the dex vs the War Zone. Now that the insane confusion has been sorted out I'm calming down... a little. I'm still not convinced this codex won't be a dud, but at least we're not getting shoved into a side supplement with no rules changes our existing codex.

60 vs 90 CAD (equivalent currency you are).

We really need to see the English White Dwarf lol. When it refers to "new models/stats/rules" that seems to indicate that there *are* changes to existing units and that those updates will be in both the campaign book and the codex. Or does it mean the stats/rules for the new units?

If it's the former...that's actually ingenius of GW. This is so confusing having just woke up.

It is implied by translators to be the former, but could go either way with GW.

I certainly would agree its even... innovative for them.

This is beginning to sound a lot like the changes to existing units outside of the firewarriors being broken into two different unit types is going to be incredibly small - if at all. Just a bunch of new units and formations with new rules for them.

I do have to imagine there would be a few potential updates to things like Support Wargear if they're going to be accessible to things like the Stormsurge. To create alternate point values or * which ones are not usable, etc. I would expect Support/Vehicle gear and all of the Relics to potentially be updated to fit well with the new units as well.

I'm certainly intrigued by this new method of codex change/update.

Innovative? It's a total slap in the face to their players. If it's true, this is a step up in both fleecing the players and abdicating rule creation duties.

Amazing people can possibly defend this.

It would also give a sigh of relief to everyone I know. Tau are still a strong codex compared to most others and simply giving them new units, formations and the Hunter Cadre detachment thing would be boosting them obviously. However people forget there are a lot of crappy/mediocre Tau units that keep the codex as relattively mono-build competitively. Would of sucked for players looking to vary their builds up without resorting to buying the new models.

Caederes wrote:

davethepak wrote:

Caederes wrote:
If the current units aren't changing, why is the Pirahna 55 points with BS4?

Because its not THE NEW piranha.

Its a specific specially named unit, that has ITS specific rules in the supplement. We have ZERO ideas on what the stock pirahna will be like.

We have ideas on what a VERY select few units, in a very select book will be.

Thats it, thats all the book does. It has a few units, and the rules FOR THOSE UNITS.



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_ghost_ wrote:
um not realy. the german WD says clearly that we have the choice. eighter we use the old codex and the kayon kampain book OR the new released codex. in both cases we have the full rules.

but ur right. there is no info if there are not a bunch of erata in the kayon book that change a lot of things in the 2013 codex release

no, we have THE FULL RULES ONLY FOR THE UNITS IN THE campaign book.

are flyers in the campaign book? kroot? Riptides? No.

We have no idea on the future of units that are not the specifically named special units.

This is how bad rumors get started.

Don't treat people like children if you want to have any credibility. I've just woken up and all I saw was a Pirahna with BS4 and people saying "the codex is the same as before". Seriously, feth off with the attitude.

no personal offense to implication anyone is a child - so please do not take it that way.
As far as credibility - I have plenty in not engaging in rampant speculation, hyperbole ...or insults. So, again, any insult which was interpreted was not intended.



Still however trying to point out that there is a huge difference between

'you only need his book and the old codex to play THE UNITS IN this book"

and

"this book contains all the changes to the new codex".

There is a very significant difference between those concepts logically.

Its exactly like the necron book that came out with the mepherit stuff right before the new cron codex dropped - the mepherit rules were 100% compatible with both books, and only had the special rules for the units in that book. As everyone can see - the necron codex had tons of changes to many units.

Will there be a lot of insights on special rules and wargear in the supplement? Of course!

Will it have all the changes to every single unit and rule for the new codex - not very likely.

I said if it was the former. If it was the former. I also said it could easily be a disaster. They could just as easily reprint the rules with nothing new other than the new units. I would be pretty pissed. I'm still highly suspicious of all of this and not pleased at all if our codex has basically no effort put into it.

 Kirasu wrote:
Innovative? It's a total slap in the face to their players. If it's true, this is a step up in both fleecing the players and abdicating rule creation duties.

Amazing people can possibly defend this.

It seems like we are getting changes if the translation is anything to go by as it says "new units/stats/rules" which would indicate the army list did get tweaked. We don't know yet. Personally I can't see GW not changing the current codex as it wouldn't make any sense.