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And... if anything Kevin noted in the update after being sick, is true. That Carmen had closed the RBG Kickstarter, without permission. Do you think for a second that Carmen will be running the RBG relaunch? C'mon man! He is out, for sure. I guarantee it. Carmen might be part of the launch if it was a true licensee-licencor relationship, but it's just not the case.

"Without permission"? And they still hide under the fig leaf of "it's totally another company"?

I wonder how long this thread will last; http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=104&t=153453

Rick's claims and threats of legal action are to be taken as seriously as Palladium's claims of hard work and amazing progress. Either show us something tangible or drop the act and stop pretending.

 Albertorius wrote:
"Without permission"? And they still hide under the fig leaf of "it's totally another company"?

Well, that's more WtD speculating than an actual statement from PB, at least as far as I could see.

I mean, it's clear that Kevin wasn't prepared, or he wouldn't have called in sick as the excuse. And that's speculation too, but my reasoning (like WtD's) is sound. In that Kevin is constantly sick, but he works through it, because he's devoted to his craft, and he never passes up the opportunity to martyr himself to his fans. And that last PBWU makes no mention of his supposed "illness". Something he would normally wax lyrical on, talking about how he's overcome something that'd have sidelined a lesser man for weeks, if not months.

So, like WtD I think that Carmen cancelling on short notice, and I think Kevin was highly irked by such a thing, there wasn't any specific quote that said so. Though I do think Kevin was looped in (else I'd have expected an even worse UTB than what was given), it was probably on short notice, resulting in the situation I speculated on in the second para.

I'm thinking Carmen's too tied to this to let it go, but the treatment that Kevin's given him, both before the campaign, and the wrapup in the last PBWU would have me questioning working for him, even if they were as separate as they're asking us to believe. Kevin's statements are just terrible at conveying Carmen as a good person to invest ~$100 in, and this is supposed to be his biggest advocate. Better to not say anything, than to say what he has. I don't know Carmen personally, but he deserves a better friend/business partner than Kevin.

Just an addendum PBWU review, these three lines from last week's PBWU's wrapup caught my eye (I was checking to confirm he didn't mention his illness).

"From heroes and monsters to entire worlds, game designers, writers and artists turn the ethereal into something tangible."
- Tangible? Not so much for W2, or pretty much anything from PB so far this year.

"With any luck, over the next three or four years you will see at least a few of our intellectual properties appear in film, television, comic books and who knows what?"
- When it happens, brag. Until then, seriously, no one believes it. It's arguably more repetitive than book scheduling. At least books occasionally get published. But go on, keep fething that chicken. Like Wave 2, I'm sure this year, magic will happen.

"We have a five year plan that should delight, and maybe even amaze."
- How about a one year plan that you actually follow through on? But that seems to be Kevin's mentality. Always thinking way into the future, instead of accomplishing in the present. Just want to point out that in 5 years, Kevin will be well past retirement age. And Wave 2 will likely still be on the schedule.

It shouldn't, but it still does surprise me just how conceited Kevin is, with absolutely no evidence to suggest any real merit in that thinking. It really must be difficult for Wayne to kiss Kevin's ass, with Kevin's head so firmly stuck there.

evilsmurf wrote:
I wonder how long this thread will last; http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=104&t=153453

This has some very good points about Rifts Game; But until Palladium games does "something" with Robotech Tactics there will be some type of push back.

When I say they need to do something.. that means, not the weekly "we are working on it" Give us an actual update.. I would be happy with we are flat broke
and working now on how to report where the money went. Problem is he spent money on rent, other Palladium books and vintage star wars toys it seems.

Just give us a update with something believable, we want the truth...

I think I figured out how to handle all of this...

I am going violate Uncle Kevin's desires by publishing an http://www.openlegendrpg.com/ conversion to Rifts and force him to sue me in my home state so I can counter sue him for failing to deliver or account for RRT. Any outcome will at least get more of the good publicity for Palladium.

Wish me luck boys!

This seems like a terrible idea, especially because posting about it will show it's premeditated.

On the other hand I'm one of those backers who's reaction to being screwed over is to go into berserker mode (Khorne give me strength) so anything that brings them a step closer to shutting their doors is a-okay by me

Well - I'm surely not going to write a conversion of Rifts to Open Legend without some forethought, right?

I got the PBWU earlier, and I just need to check if I'm not hallucinating -- there's nothing in the update about RRT that isn't the usual copy and paste? They gave up even making effort on that?

I'm going to guess that that spectacular face-planting that was the gRifts KS has shown Kevin that the Kickstarter Well Of Free Money is no longer available for Siembieda-related ventures.

So, feth it, why bother even faking it at this point?

Merijeek wrote:
I'm going to guess that that spectacular face-planting that was the gRifts KS has shown Kevin that the Kickstarter Well Of Free Money is no longer available for Siembieda-related ventures.
So, feth it, why bother even faking it at this point?

So we can show for months at a time on the KS page no effort is made at all to "update"?
I am still thinking a burning bag of feces on their doorstep may be the only economical closure I will get.

 ScarletRose wrote:
This seems like a terrible idea, especially because posting about it will show it's premeditated.

Parody is protected free speech. You could write a parody of Rifts, Kevin will still try to C&D you, inform him of it's parody content, watch him proceed to file.

I vote for changing racist emperor Prosek to lazy, greedy, thieving emperor Kevin.

Edit: Of course, you title it gRifts(tm).

He might think he is going to punish us for the gRifts failure by not acknowledging us.

As mentioned by others, the PBWU is up. My new job has stopped me being Johnny-On-The-Spot with that, and if Kevin isn't going to put in effort, I ain't gonna.

In the last couple of hours, an RRT backer (Nanobadger) on the RRT comments posted the response he recently got from PB regarding refunds.

Thank you for the inquire regarding Robotech RPG
Tactics. We sincerely apologize for the Wave Two
delays that we are experiencing as we are working
to produce the best quality and most accurate
representations of the RRT miniatures.
Its going painfully slow as this process is extensive.
As mentioned before we are doing a great deal
with trying to make improvements and headway on
those improvements for Wave Two, via reduced part
counts for easier assembly, reduced seams and
sprue layouts. This is now in conjunction with
comparing and getting quotes utilizing new
manufacturing technologies and production
processes to help fulfill what we are seeking,
while preserving the high detail and quality.
With Wave Two having so many unique unit designs
to be broken down and quoted, things have taken
quit a bit of time and evaluation. We are hoping
the congested pipeline for quotes will move much faster now.

Contrast the last line with a paragraph from Update 198, three months ago. Note the similarity?

"With Wave Two rewards having so many unique unit designs to be broken down and quoted, and with Essen Spiel (one of the largest gaming/miniatures conventions in Europe that is visited by many miniature manufacturers - just transpired in October) and the Chinese New Year over, we are hoping the congested pipeline for quotes will move much faster now."

So, now, apparently, the congested pipeline runs from October through May. Probably also busy in the leadup to GenCon. So I'm assuming the only time it's not congested, is a brief window between the end of GenCon, and EssenSpiel? Hope they don't get con crud again, or the window for this year could be missed.

Hey, Kevin. If the manufacturers are taking more than 3+ months to get a quote back to you, it's got nothing to do with a congested pipeline. It's that they're just not into you. Other parts of the process like completion of contract or the actual process work might take a long time, but if you can't get an actionable quote back within a week or two, a month at the latest, then they're not interested in your business, They're blowing you off.

Morgan Vening wrote:

"With Wave Two rewards having so many unique unit designs to be broken down and quoted, and with Essen Spiel (one of the largest gaming/miniatures conventions in Europe that is visited by many miniature manufacturers - just transpired in October)

problem with that part it is a lie, even if manufacturers visit the show they do not stop production back home, well maybe if you are a small rinky dinky operation like Palladium you do, where one man missing and everything shuts down, but not for a plastic molder, in fact the guy showing up for the show probably does not even work in the factory anymore if they even send somebody to the show.

We all know it is a tired, blatant lie.

Kevin will keep up the lie about wave 2 until he's dead or Palladium goes out of business because he knows that if he doesn't it will result in the largest lawsuit KS is ever likely to be associated with. This has been going on for so long and the mismanagement is so apparent that there will be multiple people with the means and anger to sue Palladium for no reason other than the public excoriation of Kevin.


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 TalonZahn wrote:
Seems a might expensive to hire a lawyer for ( or to prevent ) obtaining $140.

I could see Kevin getting a lawyer to make sure everything was sealed up and no leaks down the road to stop an actual tsunami of refund seekers.

Being spiteful, sneaky, and vengeful is free however.

Where I live (Arizona) it would be exceedingly easy to receive a small claims judgement against Palladium.

1. Arizona small claims court doesn't allow the use of lawyers unless agreed to by both parties (and you can't just "hire" a lawyer as janitor for a day to send him as your representative)

2. Palladium not sending a representative results in an automatic judgement in your favor (what are the odds Kevin shows up to testify under oath or sends some lackey who isn't willing to perjure himself)

3. Arizona small claims court does not allow for appeals of judgments except on the basis of procedural errors (i.e. once you receive a judgement Kevin can't appeal it to another court in another state where he could use lawyers making it cost prohibitive to pursue)

I don't know if there are many other states with similarly plaintiff friendly small claims courts but even a few dozen judgments could cause major issues for Palladium if they don't pay and they result in liens.

Great.. Let us know how it goes...

But what is the old saying???

Trying to get blood out of a turnip..

 Genoside07 wrote:
Great.. Let us know how it goes...

But what is the old saying???

Trying to get blood out of a turnip..

If you're referring to me, I'm not a RRT backer so I have no standing to sue.

As for getting blood from a stone, that's why they have liens. If Palladium is unwilling or unable to pay a court judgement the court will attach a lien to their property. It is VERY difficult for a business to conduct itself with liens on it.

I'm not sure Kevin could afford to hire a lawyer, any more.

 n815e wrote:
I'm not sure Kevin could afford to hire a lawyer, any more.

Well, according to one satire account on the gRifts campaign, they were pushing that they shared an lawyer with PB. And while it was obviously a joke, it was the kind of Barry Zuckerhorn type lawyer you'ld kind of expect Kevin to have on retainer.

Speaking of gRifts, Carmen posted an Update finally on the Rogue Heroes Facebook. The first time in three weeks, and the first post since the campaign ended more than two weeks ago. Mostly what you'ld expect, except this section.

" I plan on taking all the time necessary to make the best Rifts Board Game possible. This may take some time, but I believe it will be worth the effort. I will return to Kickstarter only after I have everything ready to go."

I'm glad he's going to take everything on board, and make the relaunch better. I distinctly remember that when asked why the rush, that there were unavoidable time constraints. Which sounds very Palladiesque. "We had to do things this way" becoming "Oh, no we didn't, it was just us doing what we do". And while I'm hoping he manages a relaunch with proper funding goals, proper stretches, and a much slicker campaign, he's again being screwed by relation to PB, because that word has been tainted by PB wankery. Kevin's been talking up the relaunch of RRT since at least the end of 2015.

But for gRifts fans, I definitely expect to see movement on that campaign before PB show any movement on RRT.

In that regard, for those keeping score, if you discount the last two Updates due to circumstances around the incident, the last major Update was 147 days after the prior one. And that was the longest period without an Update in the history of the campaign.

From that date to now, has been 114 days. Making it the second longest period without an Update. July 2nd will make it the longest period. If you want to give PB the benefit of the doubt on the incident ones, it's 94 days (third highest), and July 22nd becomes the deadline by which it becomes the longest period without an Update.

Remember, that Feb 4th Update talked about Wave 2 happening this year. So, that's something the next Update will need to walk back.

In other PB Fantasy Kickstarter League news, anyone who had the over on "big breakdown of where each and every component is in its development" happening in the first 700 days, you're almost there. No update by next weekend will get you those fantasy points (currently +689). But then again, any information from Kevin or Wayne that isn't "can't do it this year, but next year for sure" prior to GenCon, will savage most backer's lineups. I mean, that'd be an upset for the ages.

Morgan Vening wrote:

I'm glad he's going to take everything on board, and make the relaunch better. I distinctly remember that when asked why the rush, that there were unavoidable time constraints. Which sounds very Palladiesque. "We had to do things this way" becoming "Oh, no we didn't, it was just us doing what we do". And while I'm hoping he manages a relaunch with proper funding goals, proper stretches, and a much slicker campaign, he's again being screwed by relation to PB, because that word has been tainted by PB wankery. Kevin's been talking up the relaunch of RRT since at least the end of 2015.

I'm just sort of glad he's willing to stick to it, and I'm more than happy to let him take cracks at the problems. I prefer to let his own work stand or fall on its own merit. Yes, the potential problems of PB involvement should be made clear to any backers for full disclosure, but that's the extent I wish RRT on him.

EmraldArcher wrote:


Where I live (Arizona) it would be exceedingly easy to receive a small claims judgement against Palladium.

1. Arizona small claims court doesn't allow the use of lawyers unless agreed to by both parties (and you can't just "hire" a lawyer as janitor for a day to send him as your representative)

2. Palladium not sending a representative results in an automatic judgement in your favor (what are the odds Kevin shows up to testify under oath or sends some lackey who isn't willing to perjure himself)

3. Arizona small claims court does not allow for appeals of judgments except on the basis of procedural errors (i.e. once you receive a judgement Kevin can't appeal it to another court in another state where he could use lawyers making it cost prohibitive to pursue)

I don't know if there are many other states with similarly plaintiff friendly small claims courts but even a few dozen judgments could cause major issues for Palladium if they don't pay and they result in liens.

You forgot to mention the low cost of filing said small claims, or in certain circumstances you can even get the fee waived.

Morgan Vening wrote:

In other PB Fantasy Kickstarter League news, anyone who had the over on "big breakdown of where each and every component is in its development" happening in the first 700 days, you're almost there. No update by next weekend will get you those fantasy points (currently +689). But then again, any information from Kevin or Wayne that isn't "can't do it this year, but next year for sure" prior to GenCon, will savage most backer's lineups. I mean, that'd be an upset for the ages.

But how are we looking on the spread?

Asterios wrote:

EmraldArcher wrote:


Where I live (Arizona) it would be exceedingly easy to receive a small claims judgement against Palladium.

1. Arizona small claims court doesn't allow the use of lawyers unless agreed to by both parties (and you can't just "hire" a lawyer as janitor for a day to send him as your representative)

2. Palladium not sending a representative results in an automatic judgement in your favor (what are the odds Kevin shows up to testify under oath or sends some lackey who isn't willing to perjure himself)

3. Arizona small claims court does not allow for appeals of judgments except on the basis of procedural errors (i.e. once you receive a judgement Kevin can't appeal it to another court in another state where he could use lawyers making it cost prohibitive to pursue)

I don't know if there are many other states with similarly plaintiff friendly small claims courts but even a few dozen judgments could cause major issues for Palladium if they don't pay and they result in liens.

You forgot to mention the low cost of filing said small claims, or in certain circumstances you can even get the fee waived.

I thought we all decided that you'd be better off just leaving all the legal talk behind?

 Alpharius wrote:

Asterios wrote:

EmraldArcher wrote:


Where I live (Arizona) it would be exceedingly easy to receive a small claims judgement against Palladium.

1. Arizona small claims court doesn't allow the use of lawyers unless agreed to by both parties (and you can't just "hire" a lawyer as janitor for a day to send him as your representative)

2. Palladium not sending a representative results in an automatic judgement in your favor (what are the odds Kevin shows up to testify under oath or sends some lackey who isn't willing to perjure himself)

3. Arizona small claims court does not allow for appeals of judgments except on the basis of procedural errors (i.e. once you receive a judgement Kevin can't appeal it to another court in another state where he could use lawyers making it cost prohibitive to pursue)

I don't know if there are many other states with similarly plaintiff friendly small claims courts but even a few dozen judgments could cause major issues for Palladium if they don't pay and they result in liens.

You forgot to mention the low cost of filing said small claims, or in certain circumstances you can even get the fee waived.

I thought we all decided that you'd be better off just leaving all the legal talk behind?

and there you go thinking again.

No, Rick, he's just calling you out on your bs yet again.

So now go say something cryptic and (what you think is) clever and then disappear for a couple days.

Merijeek wrote:
No, Rick, he's just calling you out on your bs yet again.

So now go say something cryptic and (what you think is) clever and then disappear for a couple days.

What BS ? as it goes don't think you quite comprehend what walking a razors edge is like (cryptic enough for you? ).

What razor's edge? You promised that if you got your refund, you'd stop with your obsessive PB postings.

You're still posting and obsessing and stalking them. You are still cheering others on to file lawsuits. You still want to see them destroyed.

 n815e wrote:
What razor's edge? You promised that if you got your refund, you'd stop with your obsessive PB postings.

You're still posting and obsessing and stalking them. You are still cheering others on to file lawsuits. You still want to see them destroyed.

Correction I said if I got a full refund i'd probably quit pestering them (to the best of my abilities), sadly that is not the case, and just because the option to destroy them is not open to me does not mean I cannot cheer others on to destroy them (like say with a class action suit?)