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Maybe they should have explicitly stated it then.

Martel732 wrote:
Maybe they should have explicitly stated it then.

It's common sense that they can't as it changes the formation. Plus it does say it in the formations and codex.
Always been the case with any formation

There is no such thing as common sense. Everything should be explicitly stated in a war game.

Martel732 wrote:
There is no such thing as common sense. Everything should be explicitly stated in a war game.

Hahahaha that's being very naive plus where's the fun if it was. These forums would be very boring places of that were the case

Son_of_corax wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
There is no such thing as common sense. Everything should be explicitly stated in a war game.

Hahahaha that's being very naive plus where's the fun if it was. These forums would be very boring places of that were the case

I'm not naive. I've just played very tight rules systems before. They were much more fun than 40K's rules.

It's a fair point, relying purely on "common sense" in a wargame and not addressing potential rules issues is cause for problems. What's "common sense" to one person isn't to another, there can be different methods of interpretation that may be equally valid. It's always best to have things explicitly stated, and a lot of other wargames handle this much better.

 Vaktathi wrote:
It's a fair point, relying purely on "common sense" in a wargame and not addressing potential rules issues is cause for problems. What's "common sense" to one person isn't to another, there can be different methods of interpretation that may be equally valid. It's always best to have things explicitly stated, and a lot of other wargames handle this much better.

That's why common sense doesn't exist.

Martel732 wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
It's a fair point, relying purely on "common sense" in a wargame and not addressing potential rules issues is cause for problems. What's "common sense" to one person isn't to another, there can be different methods of interpretation that may be equally valid. It's always best to have things explicitly stated, and a lot of other wargames handle this much better.

That's why common sense doesn't exist.

This is a null point anyway as it clearly says in the codex how a formation works and shows you.
So sorry if a person can't understand that 40k might be too complex for them.
As I said it's been the same for 8 or so years since apocalypse came out.
So this is hardly Virgin territory
Plus the formation says so as there are no Ics or characters listed in it so ergo they can't join it until it's deployed

It isn't clear. That's why there's a huge YMDC thread on it. Hey, a thread on this topic already. Take a look at the discussion there (before it was locked)

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/652710.page

 pretre wrote:
It isn't clear. That's why there's a huge YMDC thread on it. Hey, a thread on this topic already. Take a look at the discussion there (before it was locked)

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/652710.page

It's very clear and there's a perfect example in the codex with the telion option for the scout formation.

Son_of_corax wrote:
quote=Son_of_corax 652366 7925380 null]Bit of Information if anyone wants it. I just called my local GW store

No it's the actually companies stance on formations

no, its the one red shirt's opinion on the matter that you called, not even close to official gw word.

Take your YMDC discussion to YMDC out of tactics forum please.






back on topic here,

skyhammer seems like it is actually a better msu/infantry killer then an anti mosterous/tank to me anyways.

with the ability to pin up to 4 units for a turn, and charge 4 more, you can tie up and stall those kinds of armies (ironically, really good vs say 2 demi companies)

Son_of_corax wrote:

 pretre wrote:
It isn't clear. That's why there's a huge YMDC thread on it. Hey, a thread on this topic already. Take a look at the discussion there (before it was locked)

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/652710.page

It's very clear and there's a perfect example in the codex with the telion option for the scout formation.

Go read the thread and stop clogging up this one.

Skyhammer + Nemesis Strike Force?

Razerous wrote:
Skyhammer + Nemesis Strike Force?

Working on it.

SJ

Exorcists for the Skyhammer with GK support seems fluffy.

I'm a little bothered that the full formation costs something in the region of 1100 points if you trick it out to the max.

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

Razerous wrote:
Skyhammer + Nemesis Strike Force?

Working on it.

SJ

I moved on - you can't get access to skyfire (@ 1500pts)

Skyhammer, Allied SM, Skitarri Maniple!

Razerous wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

Razerous wrote:
Skyhammer + Nemesis Strike Force?

Working on it.

SJ

I moved on - you can't get access to skyfire (@ 1500pts)

Skyhammer, Allied SM, Skitarri Maniple!

Who cares about Skyfire?

SJ

 Accolade wrote:
Oh I think it's a terrible trend too and hope it doesn't come to pass. However, it seems my hopes are always dashed with GW. As it has been said many times before with GW, "hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."

Could do it in a classier way, something like quarterly digital compendiums featuring some type of faq for older codecii to bring them in line with newer, and some new formations. Would probably sell fairly well as a non-digital release as well and since it covers all armies you'd have a wide base of players that will buy it...

This way they can ease up slightly on the codex release pace since they have an alternate way of driving sales to older armies, and people would genuinely like this i think... if something is super clearly broken at least it will only be for 3 months not 3 years.

Can't really see a downside to this, they could still manage quite a few regular codex updates i would think.