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Interesting. Though it'll take a lot more to convince me that the Mass Effect series is worth coming back to, after the god awful gakky mess they made of ME3's ending.
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I'm assuming that this is a sequel right? They said they'd come back to the series, so its cool that they are. Even though Shepard was the only Human Specter that character may not necessarily by them, we'll see. If this is a sequel though I'm assuming that Shepard will be in it given that the ending where organic life survives in the galaxy in its current state is the only one where they're shown to live.
Anyhow, if its in the same style as the previous games (and not say an RTS or something) I'd be up for this. Lots to look forward to from what I've seen at E3 so far.
...Though hmn, will this require a save transfer? If so then I think at this point I may as well never delete my damn save files for Bioware games ever. =P
Wyrmalla wrote: I'm assuming that this is a sequel right? They said they'd come back to the series, so its cool that they are. Even though Shepard was the only Human Specter that character may not necessarily by them, we'll see. If this is a sequel though I'm assuming that Shepard will be in it given that the ending where organic life survives in the galaxy in its current state is the only one where they're shown to live.
Shepard having been "the only Human Specter" wouldn't really mean anything. N7 is a human rank designation, not one from the Council/Specters.
And it's got to be a sequel. Did you notice the jump?
There was no mass relay.
Ah, so the Mass Relays have been replaced by something that allows people to travel even further (the existing relays probably would allow for that too, they were just set up so they didn't). Hmn, I'm wondering where it came from then as it certainly wouldn't be made by the Reapers. Why? Because if the Reapers had an alternative to Mass Relays then they would have used it in the third game instead of travelling in the conventional manner.
See I took that line "a new galaxy" as just them saying they're updating the existing one, but yes it could mean an entirely new one outside of the Milky Way. Hmn, strange, I would like to see more done with our existing galaxy and all its nooks, but I suppose we'll see what happens.
Judging by the name and tag line, the lack of a Mass Relay is probably because they're in the Andromeda Galaxy (The closest Galaxy too the Milky Way). The stuff at the end looked a lot like Prothean Tech.
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New story unrelated to the last set of games. It's in a new part of space and will have a focus on exploration. Basically they are going back to their roots. Star control.
Wyrmalla wrote: I'm assuming that this is a sequel right? They said they'd come back to the series, so its cool that they are. Even though Shepard was the only Human Specter that character may not necessarily by them, we'll see. If this is a sequel though I'm assuming that Shepard will be in it given that the ending where organic life survives in the galaxy in its current state is the only one where they're shown to live.
Anyhow, if its in the same style as the previous games (and not say an RTS or something) I'd be up for this. Lots to look forward to from what I've seen at E3 so far.
...Though hmn, will this require a save transfer? If so then I think at this point I may as well never delete my damn save files for Bioware games ever. =P
Ashley and Kaiden can become Spectres, though its determinant depending on your actions. So no, by the end of ME3 Shepard is not the only human spectre.
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Wyrmalla wrote: I'm assuming that this is a sequel right? They said they'd come back to the series, so its cool that they are. Even though Shepard was the only Human Specter that character may not necessarily by them, we'll see. If this is a sequel though I'm assuming that Shepard will be in it given that the ending where organic life survives in the galaxy in its current state is the only one where they're shown to live.
Anyhow, if its in the same style as the previous games (and not say an RTS or something) I'd be up for this. Lots to look forward to from what I've seen at E3 so far.
...Though hmn, will this require a save transfer? If so then I think at this point I may as well never delete my damn save files for Bioware games ever. =P
Ashley and Kaiden can become Spectres, though its determinant depending on your actions. So no, by the end of ME3 Shepard is not the only human spectre.
It was implied that they were naming spectres left and right in 3. Even Conrad became one.
angelofvengeance wrote: I never liked Kaidan to be honest. Too annoying and whiney for my liking. Ashley had more sass and was more fun.
Oi don't knock Kaidan. I couldn't wait to bump off Ashley however... (like seriously I couldn't press the kill button quicker) That whole bit where she's whining about being Christian and how nobody likes her because of that just made me want to slap her. =P
angelofvengeance wrote: I never liked Kaidan to be honest. Too annoying and whiney for my liking. Ashley had more sass and was more fun.
Oi don't knock Kaidan. I couldn't wait to bump off Ashley however... (like seriously I couldn't press the kill button quicker) That whole bit where she's whining about being Christian and how nobody likes her because of that just made me want to slap her. =P
My theory, if the first Mass Effect trilogy is based on Star Trek, this one is going to go for a Stargate Atlantis / Universe sort of thing.
Perhaps, as a backup plan, the Protheans 'hacked' a mass relay, trying to evacuate them to another galaxy. Of course, not too many people managed to do it (Hadn't the Protheans broken down into isolated 'cells' by the end?) But enough to build the start of a new civilisation in the Andromeda Galaxy.
Humanity, post Reaper invasion, discovers this in the Mars Archives, launches an expedition...
Boom, new galaxy, new setting. No need to worry about that pesky fallout from the previous trilogy, except from a few lines of incidental dialogue that are kept vague enough so that you don't know what happened to Shepard.
A whole new galaxy to explore, with millions of different choices to make that can completely alter the shape of the cosmos AND THEN BE TOTALLY RENDERED MOOT BY THE STUPID fething ENDING!
Seriously, I'm still sour about ME3....
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Compel wrote: My theory, if the first Mass Effect trilogy is based on Star Trek, this one is going to go for a Stargate Atlantis / Universe sort of thing.
Perhaps, as a backup plan, the Protheans 'hacked' a mass relay, trying to evacuate them to another galaxy. Of course, not too many people managed to do it (Hadn't the Protheans broken down into isolated 'cells' by the end?) But enough to build the start of a new civilisation in the Andromeda Galaxy.
Humanity, post Reaper invasion, discovers this in the Mars Archives, launches an expedition...
Boom, new galaxy, new setting. No need to worry about that pesky fallout from the previous trilogy, except from a few lines of incidental dialogue that are kept vague enough so that you don't know what happened to Shepard.
That's essentially the "Ark Theory" that was getting thrown around.
BioWare shut that down heavily. According to them, every asset that could be was involved with the Reaper War Effort and building the big ol' superweapon.
Assuming nothing has changed drastically from the last I heard on this, it's set post-Reaper War--something like 140 years post-Reaper War.
You're definitely spot on in regards to it being more akin to Stargate Atlantis though...just not with a Prothean civilization surviving.
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If they're smart, and we know BioWare can be sometimes, they'll do it far enough in the future that the Reaper-War is spoken of in reverence and in history books. That way it leaves them open to reference some of the characters and still keep it fresh.
Here's hoping EA doesn't ruin another BioWare title by demanding they release it 6 months early.
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I feel like ME:3 gets something of a bad rap. Yes the final cutscene did not specifically mention your choices but literally every moment leading up to it did! While the Catalyst weirdness was a really awkward shoe-horn with zero foreshadowing and no real impact on everything else, I ultimately care far more for the 20+ hours of story that take place before the last 15 minutes and those 20+ hours were extremely solid imho
Agreed, the series as a whole out weighed the ending for sure. Though I will say I liked the ending and enjoyed the idea of all that you worked for and built was still not enough in the end. Made sense to me, the whole series let you know that literal countless other civilizations tried to win and didn't. What made you think Shepard was going to and then ride into the sunset on his horse with his lady/man? All of ME3 was foreshadowing death. Its tone was one of Shepard saying good bye because he knew in the end there was going to be a sacrifice.
Or at least that is precisely how I felt when playing the game lol.
Now bring on 4! So I can go on to play the only game series I like anymore next to fallout and elder scrolls.
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Gasmasked Mook wrote: I feel like ME:3 gets something of a bad rap. Yes the final cutscene did not specifically mention your choices but literally every moment leading up to it did! While the Catalyst weirdness was a really awkward shoe-horn with zero foreshadowing and no real impact on everything else, I ultimately care far more for the 20+ hours of story that take place before the last 15 minutes and those 20+ hours were extremely solid imho
It has to do with a number of different factors, the foremost of which is that the plot is what the entire story has been leading up to. So the little tiny segment at the end is just as important for plot reasons as the "middle" that precedes it. Because it's a game, you can still have a ton of fun getting there. But depending on how much you focus on the plot vs how much you focus on the gameplay, the climax will have varying degrees of importance to your enjoyment of the game.
Personally, I thought that it started to get a bit weak on the Assari homeworld. It didn't help that the designated opponent in this game - i.e. whatshisname that worked for the Elusive Man - was rather boring (the fact that the thing that first pops to mind when I think of him is Shepard's taunt - "Why do you keep running away?" - says an awful lot). But the plot didn't absolutely fall on its face until Ghost Child.
In any event, different people are going to focus on different things. I tend to enjoy plots a lot. So a weak climax, like this one, rubs me more strongly that it would other people. Additionally, one of the things that I've learned is that people who had already learned going in that the ending sucked weren't as affected by it as heavily as those who found out the hard way. Reduced expectations meant that the weakness of the ending didn't affect them as much.
As for the new game -
Not much to say yet, obviously. I'll keep an eye on it. I'm not going nuts over it like I once would have, but I'll keep an eye on it. Unfortunately, the trailer doesn't say anything more than the fact that the game is coming. Hopefully we'll have more info soon.
BrotherGecko wrote: Agreed, the series as a whole out weighed the ending for sure. Though I will say I liked the ending and enjoyed the idea of all that you worked for and built was still not enough in the end. Made sense to me, the whole series let you know that literal countless other civilizations tried to win and didn't. What made you think Shepard was going to and then ride into the sunset on his horse with his lady/man? All of ME3 was foreshadowing death. Its tone was one of Shepard saying good bye because he knew in the end there was going to be a sacrifice.
Or at least that is precisely how I felt when playing the game lol.
Now bring on 4! So I can go on to play the only game series I like anymore next to fallout and elder scrolls.
Hmm, what could have made people think they might win where others had failed. Could it have been that the first two games were straight-up Space Operas, the second of which specifically focused on a supposedly-impossible task achieved by Shepard & Co using the ol' "power of putting your differences aside for the greater good" trope, and the third game spent most of its runtime apparently following that same trope?
The reason for the disconnect is simple; the guy who wrote the first game and co-wrote the second game didn't write the third, that was the other guy who co-wrote the second, and he is apparently the kind of writer than enjoys the sort of sci-fi that loves the smell of its own farts so much it disappears up its own arse.
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Hmm, what could have made people think they might win where others had failed.
I've talked to quite a few people who disliked the ending, and not one of them was thrown over by the above. All of them went in thinking that Shepard was not getting out alive.
People keep bringing it up when trying to explain why the people who hate the ending are wrong, but it doesn't apply at all.
On a related note, I got an e-mail today for the SWTOR expansion that's releasing later this year, and they made a point of emphasizing a return to Bioware storytelling (close paraphrase). It made me wonder if there's been a decision at Bioware recently to compare their more recent plots with older ones. I don't know how well Inquisition's story was received, but the DA2 and ME3 stories both received lots of complaints. If there has been a shift in storytelling philosophy at Bioware, then it should be noticeable in the upcoming ME game.
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