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**illuknisaa**

1. Its not a pc game.

2. No oppai.

Why even bother?

**LordofHats**

Technically it is (in the sense that it's on Steam for purchase

). The rest is just speculation that the HD Remake will someday find it's way onto PC itself along side many other FF Remakes.

**djones520**

illuknisaa wrote:
1. Its not a pc game.

2. No oppai.

Why even bother?

Because people enjoy more then just PC games? God... gak like this is what leads to the whole "PC Master Race" meme.

**Lance845**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
If only FF7 wasn't total garbage with the whiniest cast of characters ever. (Besides Cid. Cid was cool).

They need to do that to FF3. A villain who was actually good at his job. A cybernetically enhanced mage knight. Indiana Jones, a Ninja, Mechs, Womanizing Gambling Airship pirates.

FF3 was like winning awesome gak bingo.

Tifa and Aeris weren't whiny, neither was Red XIII, Barret or Cait Sith...

Vincent had that whole emo vamp thing going but he could also transform into a chainsaw wielding maniac in a hockey mask so we'll forgive him.
Yuffie is either cute or annoying or both depending on how you feel about teenage ninjas who steal all of your materia.
Cloud isn't really whiny, per se, he just goes through a complete identity crisis.

Tifa did nothing but act as Cloud's emotional punching bag the entire game. She only existed to have Cloud neglect her.

Aeris did literally NOTHING. Lots of people make the Aeris thing out to be a big thing in the game but honestly she wasn't around long enough to establish any character for her. She was inserted into the story and then killed to make Cloud more Whiny.

Red Xiii was alright. Barret was just a angry black man. Hes a racist caricature. Literally. Cait Sith was NOTHING. You can discuss his character like you can for Mog in 6. Sure he was THERE. But he wasn't anyone. He was novelty.

Yuffie eventually got some story about her and it was whiny. Her stealing and everything is her acting out over her whiny past.

Cloud Whines the ENTIRE GAME. The whole beginning is him whining. Then Tifa talks about their childhood and he remembers being a whiny kid before he goes back to being a whiny adult. Then Tifa hauls him around in a wheel chair until he gets his head strait and then whines for a bit before he runs into Sephiroth and whines about the girl he knew for 2 days.

**Nostromodamus**

djones520 wrote:
illuknisaa wrote:
1. Its not a pc game.

2. No oppai.

Why even bother?

Because people enjoy more then just PC games? God... gak like this is what leads to the whole "PC Master Race" meme.

Yep. Its sad. People like this are so closed-minded that they cannot comprehend people enjoying things that they don't.

I enjoy PC games. I enjoy console games. They each do things better than the other imho and both serve a purpose in my gaming life. I left the platform-wars smack talk on the playground when I finished primary school. Sad to see some can't get past that stage in their life.

**Hordini**

Lance845 wrote:
Barret was just a angry black man. Hes a racist caricature. Literally.

That's a pretty serious oversimplification. I think you're really selling Barret short as a character here.

**TheDraconicLord**

Hordini wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Barret was just a angry black man. Hes a racist caricature. Literally.

That's a pretty serious oversimplification. I think you're really selling Barret short as a character here.

And I'll take an angry black man as a main character over Cloud any day of the week. Squall was the same thing as Cloud but at least he changed around the middle of CD3.

What I'm really curious about is the Trap scene. How the heck they are gonna do that scene is something I'm dying with curiosity. Full HD Sexy Trap Cloud?

**Lance845**

TheDraconicLord wrote:
Hordini wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Barret was just a angry black man. Hes a racist caricature. Literally.

That's a pretty serious oversimplification. I think you're really selling Barret short as a character here.

And I'll take an angry black man as a main character over Cloud any day of the week. Squall was the same thing as Cloud but at least he changed around the middle of CD3.

I can agree with this. Though I stopped playing 8s whine fest when a regular dude in a trench coat cut Odin in half. I decided FF could screw off right then and there.

**Co'tor Shas**

TheDraconicLord wrote:
Hordini wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Barret was just a angry black man. Hes a racist caricature. Literally.

That's a pretty serious oversimplification. I think you're really selling Barret short as a character here.

And I'll take an angry black man as a main character over Cloud any day of the week. Squall was the same thing as Cloud but at least he changed around the middle of CD3.

What I'm really curious about is the Trap scene. How the heck they are gonna do that scene is something I'm dying with curiosity. Full HD Sexy Trap Cloud?

I think that alone would get me to buy the game.

That being said I'm in the "what I really want it the FFIV HD remake HD remake" crowd. The FFIV HD remake on the DS was the first FF game I played, so it hold special meaning to me.

**Chongara**

Manchu wrote:
Chongara wrote:
Of course the solidly-produced big budget title blew your mind.
Disagree. Even in the late 1990s, we were being bombarded by media with (for the time) high production values. FFVII stood way out at the time, to me.

I'm really, really hard pressed to think of a game that came before FF7 with comparable production values on a console. Even if FF7 wasn't first-to-market with lots of high quality CG cutscenes, it was the first one marketed into mainstream consciousnesses. It was certainly the first multi-disc spectacle extravaganza that got wide enough release that it could be a community experience.

**AdeptSister**

Barrett really was that bad. It was embarrassing. Tifa in the 3D rendered sequences was ridiculous.

Like multiple people said, I enjoyed FFVI the most. I would love an HD update using cell animated using the original designs. I had a horrible experience playing FFVII on the computer due to game breaking bugs and the stupid minigames. Did not like the Materia system and strongly disliked that I was now limited to a party of 3 characters.

So this is a pass for me.

**Da Boss**

I'll keep my eye on this, but what I really want is some way to replay FFIX. That one was really fun for me, but I got killed by the stupid "surprise!" last boss, and then my disc got scratched, and I never finished it. And it niggles at me like an open sore.

Just checked on steam and it looks like it's still not available on PC. Sigh.

Edit: Oh and this game was a huge deal for me as a teenager, I thought it was amazeballs. Was less enthusiastic about 8 (didn't like any of the characters) but really enjoyed 6 and 9 when I got to play them.

Once they started having voice actors, the series just died for me. Didn't help that the protagonist of X was such a gormless tool.

**A Town Called Malus**

Lance845 wrote:

Tifa did nothing but act as Cloud's emotional punching bag the entire game. She only existed to have Cloud neglect her.

Tifa, throughout the entire game, was keeping an eye on Cloud as she knew there was something wrong with him. Then she's the only person who could repair his mind after it was further scrambled in the Lifestream. That's hardly doing nothing except be neglected.

Aeris did literally NOTHING. Lots of people make the Aeris thing out to be a big thing in the game but honestly she wasn't around long enough to establish any character for her. She was inserted into the story and then killed to make Cloud more Whiny.

Yeah, that whole last of the Ancients thing and seeing her mother in professor Gasts computer was nothing. Not to mention that she saves the entire world. Nope, she did nothing.

Red Xiii was alright. Barret was just a angry black man. Hes a racist caricature. Literally. Cait Sith was NOTHING. You can discuss his character like you can for Mog in 6. Sure he was THERE. But he wasn't anyone. He was novelty.

Calling Barret a racist caricature is a bit much. Sure he's obviously modelled on Mr. T but he is also a dedicated father (and not even to his own biological daughter but rather to the adopted daughter of his best friend). Cait Sith has the whole spy thing going.

Yuffie eventually got some story about her and it was whiny. Her stealing and everything is her acting out over her whiny past.

Ah yes, it is whining to be upset and angry that your country has been reduced to a tourist attraction, completely neutered by the Shinra corporation. Yup, totally fair assessment there.

Cloud Whines the ENTIRE GAME. The whole beginning is him whining. Then Tifa talks about their childhood and he remembers being a whiny kid before he goes back to being a whiny adult. Then Tifa hauls him around in a wheel chair until he gets his head strait and then whines for a bit before he runs into Sephiroth and whines about the girl he knew for 2 days.

Actually, he never whines about Aeris in the game, that all happens in the Advent Children film. He's upset in the game but doesn't whine. And I can't remember him ever whining in his flashbacks. Aeris' death just becomes another thing to get revenge on Sephiroth for. Also, remember that because of Jenovas cells, Cloud absorbed Zacks memories and possibly also emotions. So that would affect his feelings about Aeris.

Please quote some of Cloud's whining. At the very beginning he literally doesn't care, he just wants to get paid. When Sephiroth is introduced, he wants to track him down to get revenge for Nibelheim. When Aeris dies he further wants to kill him. He has his whole breakdown then is in a comatose state. After being brought back he doesn't whine and instead sets about defeating Sephiroth and stopping Meteor once and for all.

I find that the whole "Cloud is whiny" thing is often repeated but largely unsupported by actual dialogue from the game. Advent Children yeah, original game, no.

**Desubot**

Da Boss wrote:
I'll keep my eye on this, but what I really want is some way to replay FFIX. That one was really fun for me, but I got killed by the stupid "surprise!" last boss, and then my disc got scratched, and I never finished it. And it niggles at me like an open sore.

Just checked on steam and it looks like it's still not available on PC. Sigh.

Edit: Oh and this game was a huge deal for me as a teenager, I thought it was amazeballs. Was less enthusiastic about 8 (didn't like any of the characters) but really enjoyed 6 and 9 when I got to play them.

Once they started having voice actors, the series just died for me. Didn't help that the protagonist of X was such a gormless tool.

9 was a blast. most of my friends hate it for some reason :/ loved the music especially.

those coke commercials was silly though.

**Nostromodamus**

FFIX was, and still is, my favorite Final Fantasy game. Nothing about it is bad imho, and it does everything right.

**A Town Called Malus**

Alex C wrote:
FFIX was, and still is, my favorite Final Fantasy game. Nothing about it is bad imho, and it does everything right.

I love IX too. Zidane is possibly my favourite main protagonist in the series and who doesn't love Vivi?

**Da Boss**

I sometimes just listen to the soundtrack for enjoyment's sake. I loved it once I got over the "Good Hearted Thieves" schtick, which I normally don't like in fiction.

**Formosa**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Lance845 wrote:

Tifa did nothing but act as Cloud's emotional punching bag the entire game. She only existed to have Cloud neglect her.

Tifa, throughout the entire game, was keeping an eye on Cloud as she knew there was something wrong with him. Then she's the only person who could repair his mind after it was further scrambled in the Lifestream. That's hardly doing nothing except be neglected.

Aeris did literally NOTHING. Lots of people make the Aeris thing out to be a big thing in the game but honestly she wasn't around long enough to establish any character for her. She was inserted into the story and then killed to make Cloud more Whiny.
Yeah, that whole last of the Ancients thing and seeing her mother in professor Gasts computer was nothing. Not to mention that she saves the entire world. Nope, she did nothing.

Red Xiii was alright. Barret was just a angry black man. Hes a racist caricature. Literally. Cait Sith was NOTHING. You can discuss his character like you can for Mog in 6. Sure he was THERE. But he wasn't anyone. He was novelty.

Calling Barret a racist caricature is a bit much. Sure he's obviously modelled on Mr. T but he is also a dedicated father (and not even to his own biological daughter but rather to the adopted daughter of his best friend). Cait Sith has the whole spy thing going.

Yuffie eventually got some story about her and it was whiny. Her stealing and everything is her acting out over her whiny past.

Ah yes, it is whining to be upset and angry that your country has been reduced to a tourist attraction, completely neutered by the Shinra corporation. Yup, totally fair assessment there.

Cloud Whines the ENTIRE GAME. The whole beginning is him whining. Then Tifa talks about their childhood and he remembers being a whiny kid before he goes back to being a whiny adult. Then Tifa hauls him around in a wheel chair until he gets his head strait and then whines for a bit before he runs into Sephiroth and whines about the girl he knew for 2 days.

Actually, he never whines about Aeris in the game, that all happens in the Advent Children film. He's upset in the game but doesn't whine. And I can't remember him ever whining in his flashbacks. Aeris' death just becomes another thing to get revenge on Sephiroth for. Also, remember that because of Jenovas cells, Cloud absorbed Zacks memories and possibly also emotions. So that would affect his feelings about Aeris.

Please quote some of Cloud's whining. At the very beginning he literally doesn't care, he just wants to get paid. When Sephiroth is introduced, he wants to track him down to get revenge for Nibelheim. When Aeris dies he further wants to kill him. He has his whole breakdown then is in a comatose state. After being brought back he doesn't whine and instead sets about defeating Sephiroth and stopping Meteor once and for all.

I find that the whole "Cloud is whiny" thing is often repeated but largely unsupported by actual dialogue from the game. Advent Children yeah, original game, no.

All a 100% spot on

**AdeptSister**

I don't remember Mr. T constantly cursing and pounding his chest like a gorilla. I would not be surprised if the remake makes some modifications.

**A Town Called Malus**

AdeptSister wrote:
I don't remember Mr. T constantly cursing and pounding his chest like a gorilla. I would not be surprised if the remake makes some modifications.

I always imagined that as more waving his arms around rather than pounding his chest. I mean, his arm was a metal gun, hitting yourself in the chest with that could break some ribs

**Manchu**

Chongara wrote:
I'm really, really hard pressed to think of a game that came before FF7 with comparable production values on a console. Even if FF7 wasn't first-to-market with lots of high quality CG cutscenes, it was the first one marketed into mainstream consciousnesses. It was certainly the first multi-disc spectacle extravaganza that got wide enough release that it could be a community experience.

FFVIII came out very soon after I finished FFVII and I was super excited about it. But I ended up completely disappointed by FFVIII, despite it having if anything even higher production values than FFVII. FFVIII alienated me so thoroughly that I did not play another FF game until XII. I really wasn't just overawed by the money Square spent on FFVII. Believe it or not, the game itself -- in terms of its story, characters, and themes -- is what made the lasting impression on me.

**Chongara**

Manchu wrote:
Chongara wrote:
I'm really, really hard pressed to think of a game that came before FF7 with comparable production values on a console. Even if FF7 wasn't first-to-market with lots of high quality CG cutscenes, it was the first one marketed into mainstream consciousnesses. It was certainly the first multi-disc spectacle extravaganza that got wide enough release that it could be a community experience.
FFVIII came out very soon after I finished FFVII and I was super excited about it. But I ended up completely disappointed by FFVIII, despite it having if anything even higher production values than FFVII. FFVIII alienated me so thoroughly that I did not play another FF game until XII. I really wasn't just overawed by the money Square spent on FFVII. Believe it or not, the game itself -- in terms of its story, characters, and themes -- is what made the lasting impression on me.

Well you had whatever experience you had, it was yours. That said I'm not sure that means FF7 has any particular relationship with a teenage audience that is especially unique as compared to games in general.

**Manchu**

But it wasn't only my experience. FFVII was met with near-universal acclaim at its release and has continued to receive praise ever since, which is why the remake is a big deal. This being the internet, there is no shortage of folks who will therefore step forward to blandly pronounce it nothing special, very likely with a reference to (the admittedly wonderful) FFIII/VI. And maybe even, as here, they will go so far as to explain that the only reason anyone liked FFVII in the first place is because they were confused by all the pretty shapes and colors. What can I say? Obviously not everyone feels the same way about this game. All I can suggest is, FFVII did make a truly exceptional impact on the folks who played it in the late 90s.

**AdeptSister**

Yes, Final Fantasy VII did make a significant impact on the video game industry. And because of its historical impact, I can see the draw of a remake. But I would not be surprised if they make some changes.

Question: How would you feel if they changed Barret's dialog in the remake? Or if Tifa was changed to look like her Advent Children incarnation? Would it significantly change the game for you?

**A Town Called Malus**

AdeptSister wrote:
Yes, Final Fantasy VII did make a significant impact on the video game industry. And because of its historical impact, I can see the draw of a remake. But I would not be surprised if they make some changes.

Question: How would you feel if they changed Barret's dialog in the remake? Or if Tifa was changed to look like her Advent Children incarnation? Would it significantly change the game for you?

Changing Barrets dialogue would be something I wouldn't like. Sure, it'd push the rating of the game up but his swearing (along with Cids) is part of his character. I imagine Tifa is going to be closer to her Advent Children look than the original game, in terms of *ahem* size, but with the original outfit (miniskirt, braces, white top). I'm fine with that, if you want to see Tifa with her original assets then there is plenty of art out there on the internet for it

I read somewhere that there will be some changes to the story/gameplay. As long as they keep out the majority of the Crisis Core stuff (which I felt added unnecessary characters and changed Sephiroths realisation in the Nibelheim reactor for the worse) and keep in the more lighthearted moments (crossdressing, Mr. Dolphin, Shinra march in Junon), I think it should be OK.

**KingCracker**

And all mini games! My god I lost myself in all the mini games and raising chocobo and so on. Good gravy that game!

**Dust**

Nah, not interested. I enjoyed back in the day but the thing is that I know how this story ends. I don't need to trek though it all again when I already know how things play out. You're not going to change or improve upon the memories I made when I first played it so why take the time? Why notplay something new instead?

**Elemental**

Hordini wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Barret was just a angry black man. Hes a racist caricature. Literally.

That's a pretty serious oversimplification. I think you're really selling Barret short as a character here.

I like TVTropes as a creative resource, and for some of the funnier articles there. But it's had a really bad influence on discussion of media, because you can just say "Oh, this character is just [article name], and then take it as a given that because you could sum something up, that means it's bad and you have won the argument without actually arguing.

**djones520**

KingCracker wrote:
And all mini games! My god I lost myself in all the mini games and raising chocobo and so on. Good gravy that game!

Yeah, I can't wait to see how awesome the snow boarding game is going to look now.

**A Town Called Malus**

djones520 wrote:
KingCracker wrote:
And all mini games! My god I lost myself in all the mini games and raising chocobo and so on. Good gravy that game!

Yeah, I can't wait to see how awesome the snow boarding game is going to look now.

Snowboarding? Nah, it's all about G-Bike and Mog House!