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The 'celebrity says something inane that can be interpreted in such a way as to be offensive if we ignore the fact that it was a throwaway comment in an on-the-spot interview' discussion could probably be better held somewhere other than this thread.



Batman kicking Superman's shiny blue butt in glorious technicolour is what this thread is about.

Is it me or does Ben Affleck (whom I can't stand when not acting) look like a better Batman than Christian Bale?

Frazzled bet on movie plot:
Luther does something to Superman to "possess him" Big fight with Bats and WW to save Bats but snaps out of it and they righteously put the hurt on Luther.

I dunno. I'm not sure I'll ever see a version of Batman (character or setting) that I like more than The Dark Knight trilogy, but I do think Batfleck has potential. Especially if they take a slightly different approach, a Batman that's been worn down after years and years and actually has a rather twisted view of the world thanks to his experiences it could be very interesting.

 insaniak wrote:
Batman kicking Superman's shiny blue butt in glorious technicolour is what this thread is about.

You just glossed over two of the big problems with this movie. One, if people are salivating for Superman to get beaten up in another stupid pointless hero fight there is something seriously wrong, either with your handling of the character or with them. Two, there will be no technicolour here. Snyder does not do colour, only muddy crap that looks like they fethed up a conversion to 3d.

It was a pretty dumb thing to say. I guess he isn't great at speaking off-the-cuff.

I'm still excited for the movie and it looks like Aflek can pull off Batman. I agree with Paradigm that Bale was excellent at it, despite being hard to work with, apparently.

 Frazzled wrote:
Is it me or does Ben Affleck (whom I can't stand when not acting) look like a better Batman than Christian Bale?

Frazzled bet on movie plot:
Luther does something to Superman to "possess him" Big fight with Bats and WW to save Bats but snaps out of it and they righteously put the hurt on Luther.

"Better" is subjective for a whole host of reasons, the first of which is that Batman/Bruce Wayne is a very malleable character that's been interpreted somewhat differently at different times. I think that large parts of the Bale Batman -- the counterterrorism rage tank Batman -- were dictated by the story and scripts, and not by choices made by the actor.

This suit is certainly closer to the modern comics. But this Bruce appears to be a bit of mess upstairs like the Bale Batman, although for different reasons. I'd like to see a little more Dark Knight *Detective* out of this Batman, but then there might not be much room for it in this story. Maybe we'll see it in the Batman solo film. Or in JL, since he'll need something to do while the gods get their work done.

I disagree about the plot...too cheap and easy. Terrio's a better writer than that.

gorgon's bet -- Luthor is playing puppetmaster with an emotionally damaged Bruce/Bats and a Clark/Supes who's still finding his way. The drone seen in the last trailer shooting up stuff -- Luthor. The criminal branded with the bat symbol -- Luthor. The Superman 'stormtroopers' -- Luthor. And probably a lot more we haven't seen. (Note that both guys look really angry in the rooftop rain shot in the last trailer.) All with the intent of making each think that the other guy needs to be put down.


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 AlexHolker wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Batman kicking Superman's shiny blue butt in glorious technicolour is what this thread is about.

You just glossed over two of the big problems with this movie. One, if people are salivating for Superman to get beaten up in another stupid pointless hero fight there is something seriously wrong, either with your handling of the character or with them. Two, there will be no technicolour here. Snyder does not do colour, only muddy crap that looks like they fethed up a conversion to 3d.

Actually, I think the Superman sequences in the trailer look reasonably bright, and his uniform looks brighter to me. The yellow in the symbol is definitely brighter, at least.

The Gotham sequences are going to be dark because it's Gotham.

 Frazzled wrote:
Is it me or does Ben Affleck (whom I can't stand when not acting) look like a better Batman than Christian Bale?

Frazzled bet on movie plot:
Luther does something to Superman to "possess him" Big fight with Bats and WW to save Bats but snaps out of it and they righteously put the hurt on Luther.

In Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns, the POTUS asks Superman to deal with Bats, because he's making his administration look bad with all the gratuitous violence he deals out to criminals in Gotham.

Really? That sounds kind of bogus.

 Frazzled wrote:
Really? That sounds kind of bogus.

At this point, vigilantes are illegal because all the heroes made a deal to cease their activities (with exception to Green Arrow and Bats). Supes is the only one who's allowed to operate and answers to the President but it's kept under wraps by the government.

Sounds like Watchmen or something. Interesting.

 Frazzled wrote:
Sounds like Watchmen or something. Interesting.

They both came out about the same time. There was a lot of revaluation of what it meant to be a hero going on in the comic world at the time.

Enlightening.

I'm a bit tired of 9/11 imagery in films.

However, on the other hand how else are you supposed to do superhero fights on the power scale of Zod/Supes when they are in a city?

 Easy E wrote:
I'm a bit tired of 9/11 imagery in films.

However, on the other hand how else are you supposed to do superhero fights on the power scale of Zod/Supes when they are in a city?

You do the city fight like in Avengers - make it cool and interesting - not just rubbing each other along the side of buildings until it becomes more than tedious. Use characters and dialogue instead of just effects...

Sooo Wonder Woman - do we know who / what she is and who she got her powers in this universe? Foolishly I am hoping for a bit or interplay between her and one or more heroes - Without Nolan we might have a chance of an actual female character in the film.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
I'm a bit tired of 9/11 imagery in films.

However, on the other hand how else are you supposed to do superhero fights on the power scale of Zod/Supes when they are in a city?

You do the city fight like in Avengers - make it cool and interesting - not just rubbing each other along the side of buildings until it becomes more than tedious. Use characters and dialogue instead of just effects...

Sooo Wonder Woman - do we know who / what she is and who she got her powers in this universe? Foolishly I am hoping for a bit or interplay between her and one or more heroes - Without Nolan we might have a chance of an actual female character in the film.

The Avengers haven't fought anyone nearly as tough as Zod, though. It's either weaker Ultrons or Chitaurii grunts; I bet when they go head to head with Thanos more than a few scyscrapers might come down. Unless they manage to take it outside... atmosphere!

That said, there's not a one-on-one fight in the MCU that is as awesome as Superman vs Zod, in my opinion. Thor and Loki in Asgard comes close, but not quite.

 Easy E wrote:
However, on the other hand how else are you supposed to do superhero fights on the power scale of Zod/Supes when they are in a city?

You don't. Sometimes it will be unavoidable, but whenever it's an option Superman should make the effort to "take it outside". The worst example of this was in one of the animated movies where Superman and Bizarro were fighting over which of them gets to protect the city and neither of them thought it might be a good idea to settle their fight next to the city instead of in it.

Please, not the "should" debate again over a fictional character with decades of history and changes.

 Frazzled wrote:
Sounds like Watchmen or something. Interesting.

It's pretty heavy handed honestly, there's a smugness to Miller's work that spoils repeated readings IMO.

If they stick closely to the book then the fight won't go more than 15 or so feet from one particular street light, so no worries about city flattening battles...

I am very ignorant on this topic...

But how is batman Vs Superman even a fight? Surely Superman will simply kill him with a single punch. What can batman do to Superman?

This movie is going to be meh at best feels like they have no build up and the last superman was horrible (admit it) they need a batman solo movie and kinda of develop characters with either movies or TV shows the characters in this movie have such a rich background of fluff and to just cram about 5 or 6 characters into a two hour (more like hour and a half movie) sucks. I don't know I just hate the "Lets beat avengers and throw all our characters in one movie with gak tons of exposition!"

My personal opinion though so before we crucify me really think about it...




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 Swastakowey wrote:
I am very ignorant on this topic...

But how is batman Vs Superman even a fight? Surely Superman will simply kill him with a single punch. What can batman do to Superman?

you probably don't know batman...

 Swastakowey wrote:
I am very ignorant on this topic...

But how is batman Vs Superman even a fight? Surely Superman will simply kill him with a single punch. What can batman do to Superman?

Comic book characters can use real world popularity to ascend in power levels Dragonball Z style.

 Swastakowey wrote:
What can batman do to Superman?

Honestly not much, but plot armor makes more than a difference though. Really they shouldn't be in each others comics as one is essentially a crime noir series and the other is sci-fi adventurism but popularity makes strange bedfellows. People like Batman so the writers invent all sorts of total crap to make it work, and I say this as a Batman fan. This is guy who fought Darkseid in melee and won because he is so popular.

 Eldarain wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I am very ignorant on this topic...

But how is batman Vs Superman even a fight? Surely Superman will simply kill him with a single punch. What can batman do to Superman?

Comic book characters can use real world popularity to ascend in power levels Dragonball Z style.

I see, so is that the protests etc will do then? Weaken superman?

Sounds like that sort of style won't translate well to film though.


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 Ahtman wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
What can batman do to Superman?

Honestly not much, but plot armor makes more than a difference though. Really they shouldn't be in each others comics as one is essentially a crime noir series and the other is sci-fi adventurism but popularity makes strange bedfellows. People like Batman so the writers invent all sorts of total crap to make it work, and I say this as a Batman fan. This is guy who fought Darkseid in melee and won because he is so popular.

Yea that's what I thought the movie would be like. Plot armour to the core. I guess we will find out soon enough.

Generally speaking, because Superman always holds back.

 Swastakowey wrote:
I am very ignorant on this topic...

But how is batman Vs Superman even a fight? Surely Superman will simply kill him with a single punch. What can batman do to Superman?

The most likely possibility is that the armour shown in the trailor incorporates Kryptonite.

Although it might be nice if they came up with a clever alternative for the movie.


The idea's been floating around in the comics for some time now that Batman keeps files on every other Justice League member, with plans to be implemented on the off-chance that he might have to take them down one day. He's nothing if not resourceful.

And, you know, somewhat paranoid...

That was the plotline for Justice League: Doom I believe.

Bad guys get access to Batman's secret files, ends up taking everyone down, except The Flash.

Because The Flash was the one person Batman nominated to be the backup plan of Batman's backup plan...

I see. Without sounding silly but couldn't Super Man ignore all that and just hiff rocks at him from space (if he didn't care about people anymore)?

See while I think maybe it can be possible for Batman to win, even with the reasons above it feels like Bat Man can only win if Superman chooses not to use winning methods.

Probably. It all sort of comes down to how they actually set it up in the movie.

 Eldarain wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I am very ignorant on this topic...

But how is batman Vs Superman even a fight? Surely Superman will simply kill him with a single punch. What can batman do to Superman?

Comic book characters can use real world popularity to ascend in power levels Dragonball Z style.

I think you can narrow it down even further than that. It's not just Batman's popularity in general, it's Batman's popularity among people who want to write a Batman vs. Superman fight that matters.

 Swastakowey wrote:
I see. Without sounding silly but couldn't Super Man ignore all that and just hiff rocks at him from space (if he didn't care about people anymore)?

See while I think maybe it can be possible for Batman to win, even with the reasons above it feels like Bat Man can only win if Superman chooses not to use winning methods.

It also comes down to Batman being willing to cheat.

If you've never read it, I would suggest the "Hush" story arc for Batman. It has a good look into why/how Batman would win in a fight with Superman, as Superman comes under Poison Ivy's influence.