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I live in hope that one day we'll get a decent Batman movie in which he doesn't reveal or have his secret identity blown and/or doesn't decide to quit because he's fallen in love/lost someone.


One day...

 reds8n wrote:
I live in hope that one day we'll get a decent Batman movie in which he doesn't reveal or have his secret identity blown and/or doesn't decide to quit because he's fallen in love/lost someone.


One day...

Or one done so well you can't even tell Bruce Wayne is Batman! To be honest, though, Superman knowing Batman's identity is pretty much required and makes perfect sense (he could probably have worked it out without unmasking him), and it doesn't necessarily mean he'll be outed to the world.

If you're after Batman stories different from the live action films, though, I highly recommend the more recent DC Animated ones. Some do suffer from a lack of Kevin Conroy as Batman (Jason O'Mara is decent, but Conroy is Batman in the same way Hamill is The Joker), but the Son of Batman and Batman vs Robin are both very good, Under The Red Hood and Assault On Arkham are amazing (and the more inspiration the upcoming Suicide Squad movie takes from the latter, the better if you ask me. It's everything a Suicide Squad film should be).

Bats usually has his cowl lined with lead to prevent Supes from guessing his identity.

The animated DC stuff is generally top notch.

Especially any of the ones that Dini has been involved with.


IIRC I've seen up to just before the Flashpoint one -- and not seen many of the ones set in the "nu" continuity.

Seen all the ones you recommend though


Fingers crossed the new Justice League 'toon with be as good as it's ancestors.

Looks like a nightmare dream sequence.

 reds8n wrote:
I live in hope that one day we'll get a decent Batman movie in which he doesn't reveal or have his secret identity blown and/or doesn't decide to quit because he's fallen in love/lost someone.


One day...

We did.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096895/
There was no quit in that Batman, just a hair of the insane.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Superman did Not look like a good guy there...

Nope - could be acting, brainwashed, cloned or just decided that he should be in charge - lots of possibilities............... or that he is now the US governments enforcer...........

Government enforcer I'd expect the guards to salute him. They Kneeled to him.

Also, for a good Superman "unmasking" Batman, you gotta go back to the old school animated movie where they meet. It was so perfect.

I'm very confident that it's a dream sequence and that airing it is a little bit of JJ Abrams-style misdirection.

 Frazzled wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
I live in hope that one day we'll get a decent Batman movie in which he doesn't reveal or have his secret identity blown and/or doesn't decide to quit because he's fallen in love/lost someone.


One day...

We did.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096895/
There was no quit in that Batman, just a hair of the insane.

The one in which, having spent years training and getting ready he then decides to tell Vicki Vale that he's Batman, tries to gun down the Joker with assault rifle machine guns , and then tells the Joker who he is as well, even though he'd then decided he wasn't going to kill him.


.. yeah.

 gorgon wrote:
I'm very confident that it's a dream sequence and that airing it is a little bit of JJ Abrams-style misdirection.

Seems plausible.

 reds8n wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
I live in hope that one day we'll get a decent Batman movie in which he doesn't reveal or have his secret identity blown and/or doesn't decide to quit because he's fallen in love/lost someone.


One day...

We did.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096895/
There was no quit in that Batman, just a hair of the insane.

The one in which, having spent years training and getting ready he then decides to tell Vicki Vale that he's Batman, tries to gun down the Joker with assault rifle machine guns , and then tells the Joker who he is as well, even though he'd then decided he wasn't going to kill him.


.. yeah.

Actually Alfred told her.
No he tried to gun down the Joker with a full fledged strafing run. He wasn't trying to get out of the business. he was trying to "take care" of business.
I don't remember him telling the Joker who he was.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Bats usually has his cowl lined with lead to prevent Supes from guessing his identity.

Which is somewhat unnecessary since the two have known their different identities for some time.

Does that mean Superman could give people cancer with his X ray vision?

Thats pretty awful actually.

We need a science guy to clarify this, but wouldn't his x-ray vision only have some verisimilitude as a passive thing -- if his eyes was able to see/receive radiation being emitted and/or passing through everything all the time?

If his eyes projected high frequency radiation like x-rays, he'd need film or some kind of receiver (X-ray Receiver Man?) sitting on the other side of the object he wants to see into.

At least I think that's how it would have to work.

 Frazzled wrote:

 reds8n wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
I live in hope that one day we'll get a decent Batman movie in which he doesn't reveal or have his secret identity blown and/or doesn't decide to quit because he's fallen in love/lost someone.


One day...

We did.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096895/
There was no quit in that Batman, just a hair of the insane.

The one in which, having spent years training and getting ready he then decides to tell Vicki Vale that he's Batman, tries to gun down the Joker with assault rifle machine guns , and then tells the Joker who he is as well, even though he'd then decided he wasn't going to kill him.


.. yeah.

Actually Alfred told her.
No he tried to gun down the Joker with a full fledged strafing run. He wasn't trying to get out of the business. he was trying to "take care" of business.

I don't remember him telling the Joker who he was.

Yep - Alfred def told her and showed into the secret cave - machine guns and full strafing run..........

Now that was a proper Batman film - awesome - not like the recent crap - it had a style, fun, a plot and good acting............best Bruce wayne by a long way - you can tell he is damaged and not a stupidly Mary Sue Joker..

IIRC he told him when the Joker did the whole - "you made me when you dropped into the chemicals" and Batman responds with "you made me first" and reveals he is Bruce Wayne - not sure he was intending for the Joker to live at that point tbh

Definitely looks like Bats is drugged in that one.

 Compel wrote:
Definitely looks like Bats is drugged in that one.

Maybe they are just "roleplaying" in their private life

 reds8n wrote:
I live in hope that one day we'll get a decent Batman movie in which he doesn't reveal or have his secret identity blown and/or doesn't decide to quit because he's fallen in love/lost someone.


One day...

Adam West already made that movie.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Yep - Alfred def told her and showed into the secret cave - machine guns and full strafing run..........

Now that was a proper Batman film - awesome - not like the recent crap - it had a style, fun, a plot and good acting............best Bruce wayne by a long way - you can tell he is damaged and not a stupidly Mary Sue Joker..

IIRC he told him when the Joker did the whole - "you made me when you dropped into the chemicals" and Batman responds with "you made me first" and reveals he is Bruce Wayne - not sure he was intending for the Joker to live at that point tbh

Tim Burton needs to be given tons of credit for showing that superhero movies could work again after the Superman series petered out. Hell, just look at how his Batsuit influenced the Nolan films 20 years later. And he got the general public (those not familiar with the comics...more on that later) to stop viewing the character as an utter joke as presented in the TV series. It's no small feat.

HOWEVER, that film also brought us a fairly weird mix of brightly-colored camp and a murderous Batman (dropping bombs into factories, firing machine guns at the Joker, etc.) with no aversion to gunplay. It really ran counter to what the character has traditionally been about.

I get that some feel the Nolan Batman was too dark and damaged. But it should be pointed out that his Batman had a clearly defined code -- no killing, no guns -- that reflected the comic roots. And if it completely ignored the detective aspect of the character...well, so did Burton's. Nolan also brought us a Jim Gordon as a real character, and not someone who shows up with cops in tow to make arrests after Batman's done. Nolan's Alfred was also far more three-dimensional and real.

YOU may like camp, but Batman hasn't been an overly campy character in the comics for decades, and there are some reasons why Burton's Batman wasn't "proper." Again, beyond the fact that you apparently think Batman is properly camp.

 gorgon wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Yep - Alfred def told her and showed into the secret cave - machine guns and full strafing run..........

Now that was a proper Batman film - awesome - not like the recent crap - it had a style, fun, a plot and good acting............best Bruce wayne by a long way - you can tell he is damaged and not a stupidly Mary Sue Joker..

IIRC he told him when the Joker did the whole - "you made me when you dropped into the chemicals" and Batman responds with "you made me first" and reveals he is Bruce Wayne - not sure he was intending for the Joker to live at that point tbh

Tim Burton needs to be given tons of credit for showing that superhero movies could work again after the Superman series petered out. Hell, just look at how his Batsuit influenced the Nolan films 20 years later. And he got the general public (those not familiar with the comics...more on that later) to stop viewing the character as an utter joke as presented in the TV series. It's no small feat.

HOWEVER, that film also brought us a fairly weird mix of brightly-colored camp and a murderous Batman (dropping bombs into factories, firing machine guns at the Joker, etc.) with no aversion to gunplay. It really ran counter to what the character has traditionally been about.

I get that some feel the Nolan Batman was too dark and damaged. But it should be pointed out that his Batman had a clearly defined code -- no killing, no guns -- that reflected the comic roots. And if it completely ignored the detective aspect of the character...well, so did Burton's. Nolan also brought us a Jim Gordon as a real character, and not someone who shows up with cops in tow to make arrests after Batman's done. Nolan's Alfred was also far more three-dimensional and real.

YOU may like camp, but Batman hasn't been an overly campy character in the comics for decades, and there are some reasons why Burton's Batman wasn't "proper." Again, beyond the fact that you apparently think Batman is properly camp.

Way to put words in my mouth - I never said it was camp - the 60's series is camp - I however agree that Burton rewrote the Batman films - Nolan just copied the style and forgot or could not comprehend the human element.

Nolans Batman films are not "dark" - they are merely heartless voids devoid of humour and usually any form of decent plot or character development - (especially women)- just a increasingly dull series of flashy setpieces vaguely joined together by badly written plot holes. But then that describes every film he has ever made.

OT - I thought the new Superman trailer looked interestingly a bit like the Superme Power Series with their altenative Superman?

As much as I like Sir Michael Caine, the Burton Alfred was perfect and, the scenes involving him in even Batman And Robin were the only good parts of that film.

For what it's worth, I believe there is a "Batman '66" comic series out now for those that do like that version of Batman. Just as there's a "Wonder Woman '77" series out now too.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Nolans Batman films are not "dark" - they are merely heartless voids devoid of humour and usually any form of decent plot or character development - (especially women)- just a increasingly dull series of flashy setpieces vaguely joined together by badly written plot holes. But then that describes every film he has ever made.

That's only YOUR opinion, and an extreme minority one at that.

 gorgon wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Nolans Batman films are not "dark" - they are merely heartless voids devoid of humour and usually any form of decent plot or character development - (especially women)- just a increasingly dull series of flashy setpieces vaguely joined together by badly written plot holes. But then that describes every film he has ever made.

That's only YOUR opinion, and an extreme minority one at that.

So what - my opion is not valid???

Lots of people believe lots of things - gues the majority is always right -huh?

 gorgon wrote:
I'm very confident that it's a dream sequence and that airing it is a little bit of JJ Abrams-style misdirection.

I hope so - but it could also be some sort of Red Kryptonite/Lex Luthor Mind Control plot too, maybe trying to really get everyone to 'turn on' Superman/The Alien Among Us?

Robin as Joker I can sort of believe, although I do think it'd be a little stupid (but does leave room for a more 'traditional' Joker further down the line, so I could live with it). But I really, really don't get the Batman=Slade Wilson thing at all.

 Paradigm wrote:
Robin as Joker I can sort of believe, although I do think it'd be a little stupid (but does leave room for a more 'traditional' Joker further down the line, so I could live with it). But I really, really don't get the Batman=Slade Wilson thing at all.

nkelsch wrote:

Spoiler:

I still believe this batman is not Bruce wayne and is Deathstroke and will line up the nolandverse to be a cohesive DC universe which will find us smack dab into the 5th and 6th movie in a series before we even realize it. There have been too many other leaks which makes the Batman= Deathstroke and suicide squad Joker = Robin from Dark Night Rises.

Everything in these trailers continues to confirm this and not disprove it at all.

http://moviepilot.com/posts/3586492?lt_source=external,manual

You've heard of apophenia, right?

And you really can't be taking anything in that article seriously, can you? Talk about vapor and clickbait material. Most of it doesn't even make sense. Looking at the "S"s in the background of Teen Titans Go episodes is looney bin territory.

How is ruining Batman and the Joker for 99% of the audience better than a half-reboot and an actor swap?

 gorgon wrote:

nkelsch wrote:

Spoiler:

I still believe this batman is not Bruce wayne and is Deathstroke and will line up the nolandverse to be a cohesive DC universe which will find us smack dab into the 5th and 6th movie in a series before we even realize it. There have been too many other leaks which makes the Batman= Deathstroke and suicide squad Joker = Robin from Dark Night Rises.

Everything in these trailers continues to confirm this and not disprove it at all.

http://moviepilot.com/posts/3586492?lt_source=external,manual

You've heard of apophenia, right?

And you really can't be taking anything in that article seriously, can you? Talk about vapor and clickbait material. Most of it doesn't even make sense. Looking at the "S"s in the background of Teen Titans Go episodes is looney bin territory.

Well the Teen titans Go easter eggs are not quite looney bin territory as they have been doing it for years, but Deathstroke Batman isn't actually a bad or non-cannon concept.