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In my 7th edition ork codex, the entry on the KFF says:

The bearer, and all models within 6", receive a 5+ invulnerable save against any shooting attacks.

Does the part I outlined in bold mean enemy models too?

ITC Rules "Yes".

ITC Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NkfW26mcJHaqDKlaZyA3PB-prM0k17-DuTifGv2mOG4/pub

Updated to update for update.

OP updated. I meant enemies

No, enemy models are not affected.

Just look at the Allies of Convenience rules.

if units you bough as a part of your army dont benefit, why would enemies?

Can anyone quote a Rule informing that Special Rules which simply mention 'Models,' instead of 'Enemy/Friendly Models,' are forbidden from being used on Enemies?

JinxDragon wrote:
Can anyone quote a Rule informing that Special Rules which simply mention 'Models,' instead of 'Enemy/Friendly Models,' are forbidden from being used on Enemies?

Just Logic.

f units you bough as a part of your army dont benefit, why would enemies?

It does not explicitly say that enemies are affected, so they are not.

 DeathReaper wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Can anyone quote a Rule informing that Special Rules which simply mention 'Models,' instead of 'Enemy/Friendly Models,' are forbidden from being used on Enemies?

Just Logic.

f units you bough as a part of your army dont benefit, why would enemies?

It does not explicitly say that enemies are affected, so they are not.

I object to your premise, I see nothing in the allies of convenience rules that would deny them the invulnerable.

It says they don't get bonuses from abilities which target friendly units, the KFF targets all models.

It's a permissive ruleset, meaning that if the rules do not explicitly say you can do something, you can't.

 Psienesis wrote:
It's a permissive ruleset, meaning that if the rules do not explicitly say you can do something, you can't.

Erm it does explicitly say it affects all models within 6".

 DeathReaper wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Can anyone quote a Rule informing that Special Rules which simply mention 'Models,' instead of 'Enemy/Friendly Models,' are forbidden from being used on Enemies?

Just Logic.

f units you bough as a part of your army dont benefit, why would enemies?

It does not explicitly say that enemies are affected, so they are not.

It also does not explicitly say that friendly models are affected, but you wouldn't dispute that.

If it says it affects all models within 6", it affects all models within 6".

 roflmajog wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Can anyone quote a Rule informing that Special Rules which simply mention 'Models,' instead of 'Enemy/Friendly Models,' are forbidden from being used on Enemies?

Just Logic.

f units you bough as a part of your army dont benefit, why would enemies?

It does not explicitly say that enemies are affected, so they are not.

I object to your premise, I see nothing in the allies of convenience rules that would deny them the invulnerable.

It says they don't get bonuses from abilities which target friendly units, the KFF targets all models.

" Are not counted as being friendly units for the targeting of psychic powers, abilities and so on." (Choosing your army chapter, Allies of Convenience section).

There is a difference between Friendly and enemy models. "Charging models still cannot move through friendly or enemy models" (The assault Phase chapter, Moving Charging Models section).

Plus do not ignore the context of the KFF. It says all models, and it means all friendly models in the context of the KFF rules.

Therefore it does not affect enemy models.

 DeathReaper wrote:
It says all models, and it means all friendly models in the context of the KFF rules.

I'll have to disagree there.

I can not see anything in the rule to suggest that "all models" means anything other than "all models". There's no context to suggest friendly at all.

It's a bubble. You're either inside it or not. A bubble can't tell who is friendly and who isn't.
It makes perfect sense that it would effect everything inside, and I see nothing in the rules or fluff to suggest otherwise.

If it says all models, it means all models. Back when the Dark Angels had the PFG, it applied to ALL (even enemies) within the allotted distance (4" I think)

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/598826.page

Although it's gone, didn't GW once say that "all models" referred to your models only, unless otherwise specified?

 Happyjew wrote:
Although it's gone, didn't GW once say that "all models" referred to your models only, unless otherwise specified?

Yes they did.

 grendel083 wrote:

It's a bubble. You're either inside it or not. A bubble can't tell who is friendly and who isn't.

I don't know, I kind of feel like an Ork bubble might be able to, just because the ork using it believes it only helps him and his allies. How much bearing that has on the actualy rules, on the ither hand...

Can you quote the Rule which stated that, and what Edition this Rule was in?

I always thought all models meant everyone and everything. But I've notice usually when the want it to affect every model , they add (both friend & enemies). That's just my 2 cents

 DeathReaper wrote:

 roflmajog wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Can anyone quote a Rule informing that Special Rules which simply mention 'Models,' instead of 'Enemy/Friendly Models,' are forbidden from being used on Enemies?

Just Logic.

f units you bough as a part of your army dont benefit, why would enemies?

It does not explicitly say that enemies are affected, so they are not.

I object to your premise, I see nothing in the allies of convenience rules that would deny them the invulnerable.

It says they don't get bonuses from abilities which target friendly units, the KFF targets all models.

" Are not counted as being friendly units for the targeting of psychic powers, abilities and so on." (Choosing your army chapter, Allies of Convenience section).

There is a difference between Friendly and enemy models. "Charging models still cannot move through friendly or enemy models" (The assault Phase chapter, Moving Charging Models section).

Plus do not ignore the context of the KFF. It says all models, and it means all friendly models in the context of the KFF rules.

Therefore it does not affect enemy models.

You're trying to pull the wool over our eyes with this argument. Those rules apply to models within the same army that are allies of convenience; they do not actually define what enemy models may or may not be targeted by.

If it says "all models" it means all models.

Doesn't matter if there was a previous edition that said anything about "all models" only being your friendly models. The book was updated for 7th and that clause is gone.

It is usable by all models, if it was only friendly or foe it would specifically only grant friendly models (and/or units) within 6" not blanket state "all models".

Saying otherwise is just cheating tbh.

Only if no one can prove that all models doesn't mean all models.

Ok...we have an argument here. Does it include enemy models or not?!

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
Ok...we have an argument here. Does it include enemy models or not?!

No it doesnt, due to the context of the rule.

It states all models and in context, it means all friendly models.

Considering Beam powers specifically call out all units and specify friend and foe, had they wasted the KFF to protect every model friend and foe they would have written that.

"All units under the line (friend and foe) are hit:" (The Psychic Phase Chapter, Types of Psychic powers section, Beam sub-section).

Sanctuary uses similar language "In addition, all units with the Daemon special rule (friend or foe) treat" (Sanctuary Psychic power section).

I need it explaining why a rule saying ALL models only affects SOME models.

I requested the quoted Rule and which Edition the Rule came from for curiosity sake and nothing more, not because it should be applied to the current Edition.
So pray tell, what Rule restricts 'All Models' to just 'Friendly Models' and what Edition does this Rule belong to?

Without a Rule informing us that 'All Models' is restricted to only Friendly Models, there is nothing allowing us to restrict it to just Friendly Models.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
Ok...we have an argument here. Does it include enemy models or not?!

No it doesnt, due to the context of the rule.

It states all models and in context, it means all friendly models.

Considering Beam powers specifically call out all units and specify friend and foe, had they wasted the KFF to protect every model friend and foe they would have written that.

"All units under the line (friend and foe) are hit:" (The Psychic Phase Chapter, Types of Psychic powers section, Beam sub-section).

Sanctuary uses similar language "In addition, all units with the Daemon special rule (friend or foe) treat" (Sanctuary Psychic power section).

You keep saying "because of the context", how about you post the rule in its entirety so we know what the context is?
Also not all rules need to have the exact same wording just because 2 others say friend and foe doesn't mean they all need to. Also I believe those specific examples are called out because you normally can't hurt your own models.
Also if they meant all friendly models they would have used the word friendly like they do for every other rule which only targets friendly models.

The context in general is the Ork codex...

If they meant for it to affect enemy models they would have written it like they did with beams and with the Sanctuary Psychic power.

Or they would assume you can work out that "any model" does include the enemy models...

pm713 wrote:
Or they would assume you can work out that "any model" does include the enemy models...

Except it doesn't as noted by the beam and with the Sanctuary Psychic power rules.

 DeathReaper wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Or they would assume you can work out that "any model" does include the enemy models...

Except it doesn't as noted by the beam and with the Sanctuary Psychic power rules.

In what universe does ANY mean any model as long as it isn't the enemy rather than any MODEL.