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Considering the amount of AA and ignore cover, is there still a point?

The biggest loss for the quad/icarus is that it cannot shoot ground targets at full BS with the change to interceptor.

That, and a decrease in the amount of flyers you're likely to see at tournaments. Common flyers now only being with Daemons and Nids (and the occasional triple helldrake list).

There isn't a reason to take the quad gun now.

The ADL is still fine though

ADL is a handy addition to comms relay. Even though, bunker is probably better. On the other hand, 4+ cover is arguably a better form of protection than av14 that can explode and kill everything around it.

 koooaei wrote:
ADL is a handy addition to comms relay. Even though, bunker is probably better. On the other hand, 4+ cover is arguably a better form of protection than av14 that can explode and kill everything around it.

Bunker or bastion? I wonder if the extra height and free heavy bolters are worth the points.

Bunker has an escape hatch that's great in a number of lists.

Bastion is even better for hiding behind it with barrage weaponry and weak scoring units or something that's gona need 1-st turn blos. Bolters are just a bit extra stuff.

On the other hand, it might be difficult to set those buildings with all the terrain.

The quadgun isn't too bad. It is overpriced, but with twin-linking and four shots, you can sometimes make it useful against ground targets. It isn't the worst idea to have something on the board that is able to deal with an errant flyer.

I like the ADL. Cheap and useful.

The line itself can hide multiple units or a large blob and anyone can get a 2+ if they GtG. Buildings are immune to grav and S7 or less... so.


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But the quad gun is overcosted. That's OK, it just means you can consider comms relays and ammo for rerolls of 1s, whereas in 6th, you wouldn't have.

the ADL is a very useful piece of kit, very reliable item to have for several armies including stuff like guard, tau, necron, orkies, tempestus, sisters, and maybe even the odd space marine list. but the quad gun and icarus are basically useless, most armies have a good fighter of their own or they have a better source of ground to air missiles like the deredeo, the hydra, the imperial knight, that one mek gun, the riptide with farsight enclave, flyrant, etc etc, etc...

its a hard case to bring the gun, but the wall is nice

ADL with a coms relay can be super useful, they make squishy units pretty survivable

aronthomas17 wrote:
ADL with a coms relay can be super useful, they make squishy units pretty survivable

Agreed. I still use this if I have some points to spare and am using reserves. Its a little less useful now, because Reserve rolls are more forgiving than with 6th edition, but if you must have your reserves on ROund 2, its not a bad use of points. But the Interceptor rule makes the Quad Gun situational at best.

Don't forget it can also hit skimmers at full BS.

I agree with the ADL + comms relay, especially if you play a reserves-heavy army.

ADL I took alone due to spare points a few games ago and it did great for my guard, hiding a deathstrike behind it did some favours and saved my veterans from countless volleys of fire. I would say they are definitely still worth taking.

I still use an ADL occasionally but the quantity of ignore cover made me switch to an Imperial bunker for only 5 points more. AV 14 with 8 models that can fire. With a 48" threat range I can keep most threats away from the building.

You never know how good the terrain is going to be at a tournament, so taking some cover with you for 50 points isn't a bad idea...

 koooaei wrote:
ADL is a handy addition to comms relay. Even though, bunker is probably better. On the other hand, 4+ cover is arguably a better form of protection than av14 that can explode and kill everything around it.

Give it a void shield