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38mm? If anyone gets their hands on this game, please post a photo of the mini's alongside other sf and modern-day miniatures. Thanks!!!

 mindrobber wrote:
The art and production design for the non miniature components of this game look awful; very bland and very un-doctor who like - wheres the fun and eccentricity. Was looking forward to this but am disappointed with the shoddiness.

To fair we can't tell the quality from that picture. nothing wrong with providing a paper battle mat and a warehouse or quarry floor can look only so interesting. The play area and what looks like a turn track can look only so interesting (and have to be passed my the BBC licencing dept).

ced1106 wrote:
38mm? If anyone gets their hands on this game, please post a photo of the mini's alongside other sf and modern-day miniatures. Thanks!!!

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1443474575686503&id=100000719239273&set=g.116881838661442&source=43

That's a photo of 10th Doctor next to batman miniatures model. Photo should be set to public.


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MarkNorfolk wrote:

 mindrobber wrote:
The art and production design for the non miniature components of this game look awful; very bland and very un-doctor who like - wheres the fun and eccentricity. Was looking forward to this but am disappointed with the shoddiness.

To fair we can't tell the quality from that picture. nothing wrong with providing a paper battle mat and a warehouse or quarry floor can look only so interesting. The play area and what looks like a turn track can look only so interesting (and have to be passed my the BBC licencing dept).

I can take some photos of the actual game tomorrow night. Some of the developer comments made it sound like the starter set campaign takes place during the Time War which may explain why they have gone a slightly darker style.

Wow, so they actually are BMG scaled models... And they look that awful.

Yikes, just, yikes. I figured they were 25mm or smaller, maybe Dreadball scaled.

Sure, the batman minis can have their flaws but still... Ick.

 BrookM wrote:
It will be sink or swim for Warlord, as the BBC can always look elsewhere if its too gakky. Pity really, as Crooked Dice had some excellent sculpts.

Dear BBC, if you are reading this, please look into them when you're done with Warlord.

Did Crooked Dice have the miniatures licence for Doctor Who? Because if they didn't but were producing and selling a range based on the BBCs IP that might explain why the BBC didn't go to them.

Similarly didn't Harlequins licence expire more than a decade ago?

Warlord aren't the bad guys for not making their miniatures line compatible with competing companies miniatures based on an IP Warlord are paying the fee for and they are not.

 Compel wrote:
Wow, so they actually are BMG scaled models... And they look that awful.

Yikes, just, yikes. I figured they were 25mm or smaller, maybe Dreadball scaled.

Sure, the batman minis can have their flaws but still... Ick.

The human characters are not great but they have been doing some really good alien sculpts recently -





I saw mention that some of the monster sculptors are working on some of the Doctors so hopefully they will be good.

Anyone heard news from Salute about the Starter set? Very keen on an army of Daleks in Competitive Circuts

I have a copy of the starter box here. What did you want to know?

These are the dalek models and unit cards in the starter set, there may be different cards in the Missy and Dalek box set -

Will There be tourneament play? Does the balence scale well? Is it like a skirmish like Batman or small-scale wargame like WM/H? How do the Daleks play like? I'm very much a Dalekmaniac and would love to play at tourneys facing off Judoon and Sontarans with a Dalek army

They were too busy to ask about tournement play earlier but will send them a message to enquire.

The starter box has scenarios with between 3 and 4 troop cards, so with 4 troop cards you would have a maximum of 12 Daleks (the number of Daleks it comes with) but one of the missions does have potential reinforcements arrive each turn. It does say that the number of troop cards can be increased to any number agreed by both players. Having had a quick look at the rules I could see it scaling up to 36 Daleks at least. I expect new mission books will cover much larger forces.

The team also have another game in the works which uses the same models which may be a mass battle game. They are holding off announcing until they have a bigger miniature range.

Not sure how the Daleks play style yet, will update once I have played my first game.

Aeneades wrote:
They were too busy to ask about tournement play earlier but will send them a message to enquire.

The starter box has scenarios with between 3 and 4 troop cards, so with 4 troop cards you would have a maximum of 12 Daleks (the number of Daleks it comes with) but one of the missions does have potential reinforcements arrive each turn. It does say that the number of troop cards can be increased to any number agreed by both players. Having had a quick look at the rules I could see it scaling up to 36 Daleks at least. I expect new mission books will cover much larger forces.

The team also have another game in the works which uses the same models which may be a mass battle game. They are holding off announcing until they have a bigger miniature range.

Not sure how the Daleks play style yet, will update once I have played my first game.

Ok thank you very much

I'm Expecting a play style to be slow and lacking in Close Combat but nigh indestructible with a Death Ray to Exterminate all with ease! hehe

The two special traits the standard Daleks have are -

Overide - in the game most characters are unable to shoot if they are under heavy fire but the Daleks desire to exterminate means they still have the ability to shoot when under heavy fire but with a penalty to hit.

Tank - Due to how bulky they are they do not get a defence bonus when behind cover.

I have checked the missions again and one of them actually encourages you to use as many troop cards as possible to represent the final battle between Daleks and Cybermen on the planet.


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Weapon wise they have two levels of attack, a regular blast and a full blast. The full blast is much more effective but they can only use it if they have spent the turn powering up by not moving.

The Daleks also seem to have a slightly better accuracy then most other factions.

Daleks earn victory points by holding objectives and also get a victory point for every character they exterminate (2 for special characters). They automatically win the match if they exterminate the doctor.

Had hoped the next game be some sort of "dungeon crawl" with plenty to discover and puzzles to overcome, that seems to fit the licence more then another wargame (mass battle this time).

I am hoping for dungeon crawl as well but wasn't certain if that would clash with the Gale Force 9 Doctor Who licence (they have miniature board game one).

I do kind of wonder how the Doctor himself can work in a game like this. Having a group of humans with him as their ally makes sense, but the Doctor doesn't usually outright attack the menace of the week. Probably would make more sense to have him give some kind of buff to his allies or debuff to his enemies to represent him coming up with some wacky plan to disrupt them.

People think that way about the Doctor and the companions in a RPG but the Doctor Who RPG is rather popular.

I imagine it's more... scenario-ey when you start involving the Doctor and Companions. - A little bit like GW's LOTR game?

So, up until the Cyberman VS Da'leks starter set, has there not actually been any rules for the game? There's been a 10th Doctor and companions box sitting on my local stores shelf for what seems like 6 months now.

Nope. There were not any rules for the game until now.

In the game the doctors attacks are seen are disabling the enemy some how rather than actually killing them.

Some more information about the game, it comes with with three small books.

Rule book (16 pages) - contains all the basic rules of the game

Guide to the Vortex (24 pages) - contains rules for the Daleks and Cybermen, along with a painting guide and 6 scenarios to cover the battles between Daleks and Cybermen on this planet during the time war. The scenarios contain additional rules on how to replace one of the sides with the Doctor and his companions, giving different board layout and victory conditions.

Adventures (12 pages) - contains rules for using the doctor and his companions as there own faction. Also contains rules for using Zygons, The Silence and Judoon both as there own faction and as mercenaries for another faction. The book ends with a solo Doctor vs Daleks or Cybermen scenario and a Doctor vs up to three other factions scenario.

They had some new models on display at Salute including the Skeleton Astronughts and Sea Devils. There also appeared to be some kind of senior Dalek. They do seem to be keeping a nice balance of releases from both new and classic Who.

Aeneades wrote:
Nope. There were not any rules for the game until now.

In the game the doctors attacks are seen are disabling the enemy some how rather than actually killing them.

Some more information about the game, it comes with with three small books.

Rule book (16 pages) - contains all the basic rules of the game

Guide to the Vortex (24 pages) - contains rules for the Daleks and Cybermen, along with a painting guide and 6 scenarios to cover the battles between Daleks and Cybermen on this planet during the time war. The scenarios contain additional rules on how to replace one of the sides with the Doctor and his companions, giving different board layout and victory conditions.

Adventures (12 pages) - contains rules for using the doctor and his companions as there own faction. Also contains rules for using Zygons, The Silence and Judoon both as there own faction and as mercenaries for another faction. The book ends with a solo Doctor vs Daleks or Cybermen scenario and a Doctor vs up to three other factions scenario.

They had some new models on display at Salute including the Skeleton Astronughts and Sea Devils. There also appeared to be some kind of senior Dalek. They do seem to be keeping a nice balance of releases from both new and classic Who.

Are there points for choosing forces?

And was the senior Dalek Davros, who has been announced, or another type of Dalek?

This is a different senior Dalek (just a standard model in a black colour scheme).

The army building is card based. A starter set games is between 3 and 5 cards. 1 card can buy you 3 Daleks, 2 Daleks plus an energy resource or the Patrol leader.

For the Doctor each companion had a separate card but weaker characters provide more energy to make up for the lack of combat experptise.

Cybermen get a cyber-leader, Cybermen, Cybermen with individual cybermats and cybermat swarms (big base with three cybermats). The cyber-leader gets to take 2 cybermat swarms with him for free. Again cyber-leader just needs part of his helmet painted black to differentiate him.

I would have preferred point based but they seem to be making an effort to balance the cards.

OK. I will be unboxing it for my youtube channel on Wednesday and going into some detail, but I won't get the box till Tuesday.

What bases does it come with?

Daleks don't have bases. The cybermen and cybermat swarms appear to be 25mm. The individual cybermats have there own small bases as part of the model. The small boxed doctors and aliens have intergrated name tag bases but also come with what appears to be 25mm based. I plan to snip off the name tag base so that they match the Cybermen.

Cheers for all the info and pictures Aeneades

So was there a fair degree of interest in the game at Salute?

They had a lot of people around the demo table and looking at all the product. Not sure how much of that interest turned into sales but there were atleast a couple of copies being sold each time I walked past the Warlords stand. There were also some copies at the Warlords mail order desk that were prepaid and awaiting collection.


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One thing to add, all the miniature and game preorders are now avaible worldwide through https://doctorwhotimevortex.com and I believe someone at the show mentioned free worldwide shipping. Previously they were only able to sell the models in the U.K.

Sounds like the licence may mean that they can only sell direct outside of U.K. and not through local retailers.

I'd have bough hundreds of Daleks and Cybermen if they were scaled to use with other miniatures. At 38mm I have zero use for them. Their human sculpts (including the Doctors) are terrible. The rest of their sculpts look fantastic. But I simply don't have any interest in a new scale to work with.

Didn't they make the Dar'leks bigger and more intimidating in the show anyway?

Primarily because Karen Gillan was taller than them...

Anyone built the new Daleks? That sprue always worried me that the model would end up with two large join lines straight down the middle of the front where it was most obvious. Obviously Warlord's photos are going to be cleaned up like all companies do so I wouldn't use those to look for join lines.

Didn't they make the Dar'leks bigger and more intimidating in the show anyway?

Primarily because Karen Gillan was taller than them...

The Daleks were sized to look Billie Piper, and then Karen Gillian in the eyes. So yes the later ones were taller due to Karen being taller than Billie. Karen is 5'11". That won't stop the Daleks from being 8' tall compared to everything else in 28mm or even 32mm scale. Even without a base they will be noticeably gigantic. I'd be very happy to be proven wrong.

Justyn wrote:
I'd have bough hundreds of Daleks and Cybermen if they were scaled to use with other miniatures. At 38mm I have zero use for them. Their human sculpts (including the Doctors) are terrible. The rest of their sculpts look fantastic. But I simply don't have any interest in a new scale to work with.

Aeneades, if you could post the Daleks and Cybermen with some 28mm figures, say, Zombicide survivors, I'd appreciate it. No hurry and thanks for the pics!

Here are some of the models displayed at Salute (taken from Warlords facebook) -


That's the Sea Devils, Ogron (blurry in distance) and astronauts (Vashta Nerada).


Different styles of Cybermen from the upcoming collectors box containing different designs. At the front we have the standard Time War Dalek paint scheme, Davros and a Time War Dalek Patrol leader.

ced1106 wrote:

Justyn wrote:
I'd have bough hundreds of Daleks and Cybermen if they were scaled to use with other miniatures. At 38mm I have zero use for them. Their human sculpts (including the Doctors) are terrible. The rest of their sculpts look fantastic. But I simply don't have any interest in a new scale to work with.

Aeneades, if you could post the Daleks and Cybermen with some 28mm figures, say, Zombicide survivors, I'd appreciate it. No hurry and thanks for the pics!

From left to right we have Zombicide, Cyberman, Dalek, Walking Dead, Batman miniature game, cyberman, 12th Doctor, Imperial Assault.

Hope that helps!

Thanks very much!!!