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chaos0xomega wrote:
Or a $30 Rebel Aces set that comes with a T-65 fix. Problem is, there is no way to provide an "X-Wing Only" upgrade that wont also apply to the T-70.

Sure there is, they could put in the title "Non-T70 X-wings"

The change that would be simple would be the same way they fixed the A-Wing - a title that removes the Torpedoes for -2 points.

Are the T-70s priced the same as old Xwings?

I just want to not have my models become obsolete, that's all.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Are the T-70s priced the same as old Xwings?

They're typically 3 or so points more expensive.

The way I look at it, for 29 points you get Wedge, who's pilot ability is awesome, and is a good counter to a lot of things. Good firepower, meh maneuverability, pilot skill 9.

Poe Dameron is 31 points, and he has -1 pilot skill, still a good ability but not as offensive, +1 shield, boost, and the Tallon Roll. Oh, and he has 1 more green maneuver, otherwise the dial is pretty much the same.

Is there a big difference? Sure. Wedge still looks good in my eyes, though. He's definitely not obsolete.

Then there's the "Blue Ace", which has a decent boost ability, but is pilot skill 5 and costs 27 points. Eh.

Besides the new style turns, are the dials for the new xwings different?

 warboss wrote:
Besides the new style turns, are the dials for the new xwings different?

Their straight 3 maneuver is green.. That's it.

 krodarklorr wrote:

Henshini wrote:
I'm kinda bummed out there's no x-wing fix in the T-70 blister. Yes the astromech buff is usable by the T-65, but it's also still usable by the strictly better T-70. I guess we'll have to wait for another $100 rebel large ship to include an x-wing repaint and the fix. Glad I don't play in tournaments.

3 weeks ago I won a Tournament running Wedge, Luke, and Corran Horn. X-wings are still viable, and cheaper. I actually kind of prefer them. The Title is essentially a free "I'm about to die, let me not die right now" card, which isn't bad at all, considering the whole "free" aspect.

What kind of lists did you fly against?

It's a Modification, not a Title, which is why the T-70 probably isn't going to use it (if you aren't equipping Authothrusters on your T-70, you should be). It's also pretty damn good combined with a cheap astromech, like the R2 Astromech which is only one point. With that one point, you're able to discard any damage card (even face up cards) at will. That is a very powerful ability for only a single point.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

It's a Modification, not a Title, which is why the T-70 probably isn't going to use it (if you aren't equipping Authothrusters on your T-70, you should be). It's also pretty damn good combined with a cheap astromech, like the R2 Astromech which is only one point. With that one point, you're able to discard any damage card (even face up cards) at will. That is a very powerful ability for only a single point.

I ran against TIE Swarm, Fat Han/B-wing/E-wing, Fat Han/3 Z-95s, and dual Firesprays (Kath and Boba).

Right, I meant to say Modification. Auto-thrusters does seem pretty good on these guys, and I was already thinking of running Wedge with the R2, PTL, and Integrated.

I'm pretty satisfied with the X-Wing fix. The X-Wings were only slightly overcosted (by 1 or 2 points), and the fix is basically giving you a shield/hull upgrade for 1 point if you buy a generic astromech (on top of benefiting from that Astromech's special rules).

Yes, you can use it on the T-70, but there's a big opportunity cost: it prevents you from taking Autothrusters, which is an important upgrade to have in a meta where TLT turret swarms are probably going to be popular in competitive play.

Previously, four 22pt B-Wings could reliably win against four 21pt X-Wings /w generic 1pt astromechs. And more importantly, the B-Wings where better in almost all matchups that they would potentially face. With the new upgrade cards, the X-Wings will have 4 more total HP - is that enough to even the fight? Is there a matchup where the X-Wings have an advantage now compared to B-Wings?

 DanielBeaver wrote:

Previously, four 22pt B-Wings could reliably win against four 21pt X-Wings /w generic 1pt astromechs. And more importantly, the B-Wings where better in almost all matchups that they would potentially face. With the new upgrade cards, the X-Wings will have 4 more total HP - is that enough to even the fight? Is there a matchup where the X-Wings have an advantage now compared to B-Wings?

I find that hard to believe. X-wings have slightly better agility, and better movement than a B-wing. And they both have the same attack. If we're taking into account having none of either ships pilot abilities, than I'd honestly put my money on the X-wings. Not saying it's impossible for the B-wings to win, I just see the X-wings fairing better.

So, out of curiosity, what are people's bets on who the PS 7 T-70 pilot will be? Name's kinda short, so it rules out Luke, but both the protagonist-ish characters other than Poe are only listed by their first names. So who do you think will be the other pilot?

A) Finn (The black stormtrooper)

B) Rey (The Girl)

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
So, out of curiosity, what are people's bets on who the PS 7 T-70 pilot will be? Name's kinda short, so it rules out Luke, but both the protagonist-ish characters other than Poe are only listed by their first names. So who do you think will be the other pilot?

A) Finn (The black stormtrooper)

B) Rey (The Girl)

My guess is Rey, just because I feel like she'd be more of a pilot than Finn. Watching the trailers and behind the scenes, seeing her piloting what looks like a TIE fighter, that would be my assumption.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
So, out of curiosity, what are people's bets on who the PS 7 T-70 pilot will be? Name's kinda short, so it rules out Luke, but both the protagonist-ish characters other than Poe are only listed by their first names. So who do you think will be the other pilot?

A) Finn (The black stormtrooper)

B) Rey (The Girl)

My guess is Rey, just because I feel like she'd be more of a pilot than Finn. Watching the trailers and behind the scenes, seeing her piloting what looks like a TIE fighter, that would be my assumption.

Gaaah... I could answer, but it would require spoilers I am very sure most of you would murder me over. :-p

I will say that both of those characters pilot craft during the course of Force Awakens, so either is fair game... but one would need a higher PS than 7. ;-)

 warboss wrote:
Besides the new style turns, are the dials for the new xwings different?

Go to FFG's website and look at the articles on the starter and the new X Wing, it shows everything that comes with the ship and what it does.

Other than the talon rolls and the straight 3 green and the stat changes they're fairly identical. T70 also costs more so really has to abuse its boost to be good.

There is an action figure in the Force Awakens line for a character called "X-wing Pilot Asty". Seems like a reasonable candidate as well.

Henshini wrote:
There is an action figure in the Force Awakens line for a character called "X-wing Pilot Asty". Seems like a reasonable candidate as well.

Yeah i'm betting on it being Atsy, assuming he flies a regular grey/blue X wing. I can't see Rey or Finn doing starfighter combat much, maybe piloting the Falcon though in the absence of Han or Chewie or something.

Azeroth wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Or a $30 Rebel Aces set that comes with a T-65 fix. Problem is, there is no way to provide an "X-Wing Only" upgrade that wont also apply to the T-70.

Sure there is, they could put in the title "Non-T70 X-wings"

The change that would be simple would be the same way they fixed the A-Wing - a title that removes the Torpedoes for -2 points.

I think that something that would help would be "T-70 test pilot" or something, where it is X-wing only, but it only adds boost to the action bar and allows use of a T-70 X-wing maneuver dial, then restrict it to guys with PS 5+. Since it does not providing a shield, it would be pretty cheap (1 point?), and avoids any convoluted restrictions, while providing no benefit to a T-70. This would help T-65 Aces remain relevant. It also means that we don't have to choose between integrated mech and Engine Upgrade.

Im sorry, but any solution that basically makes a T-65 into a T-70 is a dumb one, and probably isnt going to happen.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im sorry, but any solution that basically makes a T-65 into a T-70 is a dumb one, and probably isnt going to happen.

I agree.

I think the Integrated Astromech mod is what we are getting to fix the T-65. I think there is a small chance there is an Aces set down the pipe, but my gut tells me this might be it.

 DanielBeaver wrote:

Cool Hand seems underwhelming, even for a 1pt card.

I have a prediction about that- there appears to be a new "Targeting Astromech". We see half the card text, and it reads: "After you *Static* maneuver *Static* a ta*Static*". I predict that these upgrade cards are designed to synergize with each other. My guess is that, after you reveal/execute a red maneuver, you acquire a target lock with the Targeting Mech. You then get a focus with the EPT. Then you fire your Advanced Proton Torpedoes up someones tailpipe.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 DanielBeaver wrote:

Cool Hand seems underwhelming, even for a 1pt card.

I have a prediction about that- there appears to be a new "Targeting Astromech". We see half the card text, and it reads: "After you *Static* maneuver *Static* a ta*Static*". I predict that these upgrade cards are designed to synergize with each other. My guess is that, after you reveal/execute a red maneuver, you acquire a target lock with the Targeting Mech. You then get a focus with the EPT. Then you fire your Advanced Proton Torpedoes up someones tailpipe.

I could see it being decent on Tycho Celchu with A-wing Test Pilot. Both cards would only be 1 point total, and in a crucial turn, when he's using PTL you could get an extra token.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 DanielBeaver wrote:

Cool Hand seems underwhelming, even for a 1pt card.

I have a prediction about that- there appears to be a new "Targeting Astromech". We see half the card text, and it reads: "After you *Static* maneuver *Static* a ta*Static*". I predict that these upgrade cards are designed to synergize with each other. My guess is that, after you reveal/execute a red maneuver, you acquire a target lock with the Targeting Mech. You then get a focus with the EPT. Then you fire your Advanced Proton Torpedoes up someones tailpipe.

I could see it being decent on Tycho Celchu with A-wing Test Pilot. Both cards would only be 1 point total, and in a crucial turn, when he's using PTL you could get an extra token.

I rather like Wired on Tycho.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 DanielBeaver wrote:

Cool Hand seems underwhelming, even for a 1pt card.

I have a prediction about that- there appears to be a new "Targeting Astromech". We see half the card text, and it reads: "After you *Static* maneuver *Static* a ta*Static*". I predict that these upgrade cards are designed to synergize with each other. My guess is that, after you reveal/execute a red maneuver, you acquire a target lock with the Targeting Mech. You then get a focus with the EPT. Then you fire your Advanced Proton Torpedoes up someones tailpipe.

I could see it being decent on Tycho Celchu with A-wing Test Pilot. Both cards would only be 1 point total, and in a crucial turn, when he's using PTL you could get an extra token.

I rather like Wired on Tycho.

Hmm. Point taken, I forgot about that card.

Yep, that was my first thought too, Tycho, Title, PTL and Wired.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Yep, that was my first thought too, Tycho, Title, PTL and Wired.

Yeah, that would be pretty awesome. So what would Cool Hand go well with, then?

It's one use, so it's a point filler, not something to hang a strategy on.

 Azreal13 wrote:
It's one use, so it's a point filler, not something to hang a strategy on.

Well yeah, but I can't even think of something that it would be worth it on in general.

It's one of those cards that has a multitude of uses, but will probably ultimately lose out to other options, but it is useful against control lists, it would also be great for that time you K-Turn into the rear arc of another ship at R1, say on an A Wing with Proton Rockets.

Yeah, that's probably the main way I'd ever play it, on a Green Sqdn with Proton Rockets.

 Azreal13 wrote:
It's one of those cards that has a multitude of uses, but will probably ultimately lose out to other options, but it is useful against control lists, it would also be great for that time you K-Turn into the rear arc of another ship at R1, say on an A Wing with Proton Rockets.

Yeah, that's probably the main way I'd ever play it, on a Green Sqdn with Proton Rockets.

I dunno, looking at Wired now, I wouldn't put that on Tycho. Yeah, he'll always be stressed, but he can also pretty much always take a Target Lock or Focus action without a problem. So Wired would be kind of a waste on him.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
It's one of those cards that has a multitude of uses, but will probably ultimately lose out to other options, but it is useful against control lists, it would also be great for that time you K-Turn into the rear arc of another ship at R1, say on an A Wing with Proton Rockets.

Yeah, that's probably the main way I'd ever play it, on a Green Sqdn with Proton Rockets.

I dunno, looking at Wired now, I wouldn't put that on Tycho. Yeah, he'll always be stressed, but he can also pretty much always take a Target Lock or Focus action without a problem. So Wired would be kind of a waste on him.

On the other hand it frees him up to use his target lock and focus on attack and save wired for defence. If he's only targeted once it may be a waste, however if at least two people target him it should be useful