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**krodarklorr**

statu wrote:
krodarklorr wrote:
Azreal13 wrote:
It's one of those cards that has a multitude of uses, but will probably ultimately lose out to other options, but it is useful against control lists, it would also be great for that time you K-Turn into the rear arc of another ship at R1, say on an A Wing with Proton Rockets.

Yeah, that's probably the main way I'd ever play it, on a Green Sqdn with Proton Rockets.

I dunno, looking at Wired now, I wouldn't put that on Tycho. Yeah, he'll always be stressed, but he can also pretty much always take a Target Lock or Focus action without a problem. So Wired would be kind of a waste on him.

On the other hand it frees him up to use his target lock and focus on attack and save wired for defence. If he's only targeted once it may be a waste, however if at least two people target him it should be useful

That's an if, though. I'd rather have him with PTL and Outmaneuver, but I guess that's just me.

**streamdragon**

Didn't really think this warranted its own thread, but FFG is releasing colored flight stands and bases.

Edit: For some reason, I kind of want to order the purple ones. But I already have a bajillion bases, so...

**krodarklorr**

I want all of the blue ones.

Damn you, FFG, for making me spend more money.

**Manchu**

Be sure to check out the price difference between FFG's stands and the colored stands already offered by WizKids for Attack Wing. There should be no difference in terms of fit.

EDIT: disregard that, seems Attack Wing bases are larger?

**AndrewGPaul**

ST:AW has little recesses for placing the movement templates rather than the little nubs on the XW bases. I'm told this is important in tournaments. Other than that, it appears they fit XW ship tiles fine.

**Flashman**

Coloured bases... utterly pointless, but yet so pretty

**ScootyPuffJunior**

AndrewGPaul wrote:
ST:AW has little recesses for placing the movement templates rather than the little nubs on the XW bases. I'm told this is important in tournaments. Other than that, it appears they fit XW ship tiles fine.

Yes, it is important. The bases are not the same and you cannot use Attack Wing bases in X-Wing, same goes for the movement templates.

**chaos0xomega**

Bases would be good for quickly identifying whos model belongs to who, but isnt really necessary. A friend of mine has actually been plastidipping the bottoms of his bases, this is both for color identification and also to create a non-skid surface. It works pretty well in that his models dont really move if bumped by someones hand during a game (especially using the FFG mats).

**easypeasylemonsquezy**

I would like a transparent dark grey, that would fit with most mats being dark or black. I don't want the bases to draw my eye, the ships are too pretty to deserve that!

**AndrewGPaul**

ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
you cannot use Attack Wing bases in X-Wing

I think you mean "you are not permitted to use Attack Wing bases in official X-Wing Organised Play events"; it's merely a matter of permission, not capability (as at least one person on the FFG forums is using them.

I agree with easypeasylemonsquezy about the look of them. The bases are already horribly visually intrusive as they are, no need to make them worse.

**ScootyPuffJunior**

AndrewGPaul wrote:
ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
you cannot use Attack Wing bases in X-Wing

I think you mean "you are not permitted to use Attack Wing bases in official X-Wing Organised Play events"; it's merely a matter of permission, not capability (as at least one person on the FFG forums is using them.

Sure, and you could use no bases or templates and just fly the ships around with you hands saying, "pew pew pew."

The point is, the bases and templates are physically dissimilar and you shouldn't use them. The Attack Wing bases are missing the nubs, which can definitely impact the game, and the templates are not the same dimensions, which changes how the ships maneuver. I don't think either of those things are acceptable, even in casual games.

**AndrewGPaul**

I don't think that's remotely the same thing.

Mind you, it sounds more fun than picking over every half millimetre.

My hands aren't that precise.

**chaos0xomega**

ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
AndrewGPaul wrote:
ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
you cannot use Attack Wing bases in X-Wing

I think you mean "you are not permitted to use Attack Wing bases in official X-Wing Organised Play events"; it's merely a matter of permission, not capability (as at least one person on the FFG forums is using them.
Sure, and you could use no bases or templates and just fly the ships around with you hands saying, "pew pew pew."

The point is, the bases and templates are physically dissimilar and you shouldn't use them. The Attack Wing bases are missing the nubs, which can definitely impact the game, and the templates are not the same dimensions, which changes how the ships maneuver. I don't think either of those things are acceptable, even in casual games.

Agreed. This is like the equivalent of modeling for advantage in 40k.

**Mathieu Raymond**

If the templates and bases were sold separately, and for ungodly amounts of money, then subs and proxies for bases could be understandeable. But come on, this ain't no geedub.

**ScootyPuffJunior**

Mathieu Raymond wrote:
If the templates and bases were sold separately, and for ungodly amounts of money, then subs and proxies for bases could be understandeable. But come on, this ain't no geedub.

It's not even a proxy argument. I have no problem with proxies in a casual setting; my friend only had one Predator card but wanted to try a list with two ships that had that upgrade. We played as if both ships had the card and I had absolutely no problem with that. Same thing goes with acrylic movement templates. They aren't the official cardboard ones, but they have the same dimensions as the official ones so it's okay.

The components of the two games don't have identical dimensions: the banks in Attack Wing are different and the bases don't have the nubs. Both of those things can drastically change the outcome of the game.

**Mathieu Raymond**

I wasn't talking about cards. Acrylic movement templates are the exact same size. Like you said, I was only taking about bases and templates.

Anyway it's more of a hassle. I was afraid I couldn,t get my Slave 1 on time for a game, but had a miniature from another game to represent it (wrong scale, though). I tried making a base that would hold a ship token and a peg, be the same size and all... turns out it's a lot of work! And as you said, not kosher.

**timetowaste85**

The ships are amaze-balls. Reignited my need of the game. Have had it unpacked for a while.

**TheNewBlood**

So has the Force Awakens starter replaced the official starter, and should I get the old starter while I still can?

**ScootyPuffJunior**

TheNewBlood wrote:
So has the Force Awakens starter replaced the official starter, and should I get the old starter while I still can?

The new core set does not replace the old core set, as per the article FFG put out. The new core damage deck will be required for tournament play starting in 2016 though.

**Mathieu Raymond**

Couldn't they just repackage the old core set with the new damage deck, though? It's not like shrink wrap is that expensiveand that hard to do. Although if it means some core sets get sold at a discount... I wouldn't mind more x-wings, or tie fighters.

**ScootyPuffJunior**

Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Couldn't they just repackage the old core set with the new damage deck, though? It's not like shrink wrap is that expensiveand that hard to do. Although if it means some core sets get sold at a discount... I wouldn't mind more x-wings, or tie fighters.

I wouldn't be surprised if they do end up doing that at some point.

**Mathieu Raymond**

Err... discounting the old core set, or just packaging the new deck in it?

**Nicorex**

Just replacing the old deck I bet.

This new core set will be obsolete as soon as episode 8 is announced.

**ScootyPuffJunior**

Nicorex wrote:
Just replacing the old deck I bet.

Yep, I have a feeling they'll just put the new damage deck and Rules Reference in the old core set. They made it pretty clear in the article about the new core set that it does not replace the old one. They both exist together as a starting point to the game, giving the potential player the option of using the old classics or the new hotness.

This new core set will be obsolete as soon as episode 8 is announced.

That I disagree with. They're just going to add more ships to the game, but I don't think there is any real reason for another core set a year from now.

**Nicorex**

Sorry that is not what I meant SPJ.
I think the two boxes will get condensed down to one when episode 8 lands.

**Crazy_Carnifex**

Nicorex wrote:
Sorry that is not what I meant SPJ.
I think the two boxes will get condensed down to one when episode 8 lands.

You mean six ships per box? Why does that have anythinng to do with Episode 8?

**ScootyPuffJunior**

Nicorex wrote:
Sorry that is not what I meant SPJ.
I think the two boxes will get condensed down to one when episode 8 lands.

Ah, my bad.

But also, I still disagree. They will end up keeping them both out for the reason I said earlier: old classics and new hotness. They can and will cater to both groups because there's no real downside.

**Gitzbitah**

ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Nicorex wrote:
Sorry that is not what I meant SPJ.
I think the two boxes will get condensed down to one when episode 8 lands.
Ah, my bad.

But also, I still disagree. They will end up keeping them both out for the reason I said earlier: old classics and new hotness. They can and will cater to both groups because there's no real downside.

Second. I strongly suspect that at some point in the not so distant future there will be events that start requiring single faction lists again- probably as soon as the FO and Rebel Rebels get a half decent selection of ships. This will probably start with a themed tournament.

**ScootyPuffJunior**

Gitzbitah wrote:
I strongly suspect that at some point in the not so distant future there will be events that start requiring single faction lists again- probably as soon as the FO and Rebel Rebels get a half decent selection of ships. This will probably start with a themed tournament.

That I doubt.

I think FFG understands that too many factions (looking at you, Attack Wing...) diminishes the game. Two factions was great, three is okay but still more than enough, five will dilute game too much.

**Gitzbitah**

Search your feelings, you know it to be true! If they weren't planning for this.... they would have left the new ships with the original icons.