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Option A) There is some sort of hand wavey fluff for how it rights itself when it falls over. What is it?

Option B ) It's clear instability is reflected in the fluff. What is the funniest instance of its impact?

Option C) It's instability is reflected in gameplay. What are the rules?

Option D) GW believes it has designed a functional machine that wouldn't fail hilariously. What kind of vehicle do they drive to work in?

Only 100% grade A reliable rumors allowed. To be posted on BOLS later.

Which one are you talking about?

Maaan. Tau quality control has been going downhill ever since the Riptide. Soon they'll be introducing a superheavy anti-grav tank that breaks down 30% of the time before it reaches the battlefield.

LockeWatts wrote:
Which one are you talking about?

This nob:



My bet is that it will cost about 500 points, and be able to kill 1,000 points in a single turn.

What about this bad boy?

 Lobukia wrote:


What about this bad boy?

Dats da Supa Broadside, that other thing looks like something Orks cobbled together out of Tau parts.

 Grimmor wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:


What about this bad boy?

Dats da Supa Broadside, that other thing looks like something Orks cobbled together out of Tau parts.

Make fun of it all you want, but at least it's not a dread knight.

Jaxler wrote:
Make fun of it all you want, but at least it's not a dread knight.

Setting the bar really low there.

the_scotsman wrote:
Option A) There is some sort of hand wavey fluff for how it rights itself when it falls over. What is it?

Option B ) It's clear instability is reflected in the fluff. What is the funniest instance of its impact?

Option C) It's instability is reflected in gameplay. What are the rules?

Option D) GW believes it has designed a functional machine that wouldn't fail hilariously. What kind of vehicle do they drive to work in?

Only 100% grade A reliable rumors allowed. To be posted on BOLS later.

it was designed by a guy who wishes that his tau werent so reliant on a giant energy cannon gimmick, but failed miserably. i dont think this vehicle is capable of being knocked over via normal means. too me this looks like a suit that would need to get pulled down by a tank with some chains, or blown up where it stands, or knocked over by something bigger than it. if it were to fall over naturally im thinking that the earth caste would likely have field repair teams on station to help it right itself.

in reality the vehicle is hopelessly impractical and is modeled after the urbanmech in all likelyhood; a battletech mech that has no real arms at all instead boasting nothing but chassis mounted weapons, or alternatively perhaps a weird marriage between that and the catapult a glorified field artillery piece on legs

Nature has done it for centuries. GW knows that they are doing. GW Africa checked the validity of the design against the real thing. The design makes perfect sense.

Tbh, if I see that artillery/gundam/mecha/bastard irl, I'm going to seriously consider taking a hammer to it, and using the parts for an ork conversion.

Can't wait to cast the malediction that makes them suffer Gets Hot.

The fluff excuse will be after fighting the major powers of the Galaxy, the Tau realize they needed platforms with heavier firepower. The good thing with Tau is they behave like modern/rational militaries and constantly introduce new weapons, so you never have to retcon stuff into the past to explain its presence.

No one complained when mega man x did it.

The Ethereal, the one that requested a stealthsuit from that one Earthcaste engineer who would instead invent the Rvarna, finally got word of his bull-gak and paid him a visit to slap him over the head and demand the engineer to start again.

This cycle repeated several times, resulting with more riptide variants (XV9's big brother, Monster from Macross, and the walking Itano Circus), until the engineer finally gave up and finally built that Stealth suit(tide).

The Centurion doctrine:

"Oh, that thing, yeah we've always had them"

Shas'o Or'es'ka foreseen this new style of warfare. He dubbed it "Great Strength, Great Strike" and had it modeled after the Imperiums.

Also in the codex it even says Commander Puretide learned of kayuon and monte'ka and many more smaller styles of warefare and even invented some.

So why is it so impossible that there is a new style of Tau combat? Even the FW designer said the Tau are changing.

Of all the races the Tau are one of the most versatile and adaptable of all the species so it's really no problem to me.

All the old schools die hards can feel free to rage.

I intend to use it to bring as much tears to my enemies faces as possible.

 Gamgee wrote:
Shas'o Or'es'ka foreseen this new style of warfare. He dubbed it "Great Strength, Great Strike" and had it modeled after the Imperiums.

Also in the codex it even says Commander Puretide learned of kayuon and monte'ka and many more smaller styles of warefare and even invented some.

So why is it so impossible that there is a new style of Tau combat? Even the FW designer said the Tau are changing.

Of all the races the Tau are one of the most versatile and adaptable of all the species so it's really no problem to me.

All the old schools die hards can feel free to rage.

I intend to use it to bring as much tears to my enemies faces as possible.

Normally adaptions and versatility are practical and sound designs that serve a purpose. If that is not it, it's called a Regress or failure.

The big walkers are far from that. It used to be the tau was going to be the "sensible" force. The ones who use troops with casualties in mind, use a lot of elite drop troops and rely on more practical means. This is why they did not use huge lumbering targets. Preferring to use guided missiles, insertion teams or aircraft to do the job. At least that's what they were when I first started. Now instead they are goofy cartoons.

Depends what you like really.

It will have rules for how it splits into 5 smaller, but no less deadly, sub-component fighting robots.

Autobot does not fall, it "rolls out".

A real life battle with practicality would be this.

1. Drone Controlled Space Craft
2. We would be capable of firing weapons from light years away.
3. Even today we have gun targeting systems so accurate they can shoot the head off of a human while the enemy boat is going a few hundred miles and hour and they are going around 80 knots. So in the future targeting systems and weapons would easily be able to hit a single person from space.
4. Impacts from asteroid and stellar debris is stronger in some cases than some nuclear bombs. So armor and defensive measures would be strong enough to match.
5. That means we have weapons stronger than nukes.
6. Fire those weapons at enemy ships.
7. Whatever side wins the space battle bombards the planet until it's surface/population is destroyed or surrenders.
8. Move on to next target.

That's practical and realistic portrayal of future combat.

Don't speak to me about combat when they drop troops on the ground from stupid hover planes or how they use jet packs to jump power armor down in large scale battles.

In real life paratroopers are the worst types of troops to use since they usually just get all shot down by AA fire and machine guns as they are sitting ducks on the way to the ground. We don't do WW2 paradrops anymore for a reason.

Dumb. I see nothing less dumb than any of the other 40k factions. So i would rather just have fun cool dumb combat.

 Gamgee wrote:
A real life battle with practicality would be this.

1. Drone Controlled Space Craft
2. We would be capable of firing weapons from light years away.
3. Even today we have gun targeting systems so accurate they can shoot the head off of a human while the enemy boat is going a few hundred miles and hour and they are going around 80 knots. So in the future targeting systems and weapons would easily be able to hit a single person from space.
4. Impacts from asteroid and stellar debris is stronger in some cases than some nuclear bombs. So armor and defensive measures would be strong enough to match.
5. That means we have weapons stronger than nukes.
6. Fire those weapons at enemy ships.
7. Whatever side wins the space battle bombards the planet until it's surface/population is destroyed or surrenders.
8. Move on to next target.

That's practical and realistic portrayal of future combat.

Don't speak to me about combat when they drop troops on the ground from stupid hover planes or how they use jet packs to jump power armor down in large scale battles.

In real life paratroopers are the worst types of troops to use since they usually just get all shot down by AA fire and machine guns as they are sitting ducks on the way to the ground. We don't do WW2 paradrops anymore for a reason.

Dumb. I see nothing less dumb than any of the other 40k factions. So i would rather just have fun cool dumb combat.

We are talking about Sci Fi, if we where to talk about history then yes I agree there is nothing in 40k that makes sense. But SOME SENSE is better than none yea? Tau had some sense while most other factions didn't. This was why people used to like them (including me once).

Anyway, a lot of what you just said is pretty comical. You realize a drone controlled weapon in space would fail because of time delay right? We would be controlling a weapon with such huge delays there would be no point.

Regardless, the Tau was a more sensible option among a sea of silliness. Hence the diplomacy and so on.

But sure enjoy goofy cartoons, nothing wrong with it.

The satellites around earth are on a time delay. Oldest thing ever. The data sent around the globe every day time travels.
It doesn't really matter when your main gun will blow up half a continent anyways.

If you mean space combat? Again any sufficiently advanced ships would have sensor systems capable of reaching far beyond into space and back to the ship in question really quickly. It's one of the main thing needed to make a space ship navigate space and not crash.

There is nothing wrong with it is what you say, but your tone indicates derision.

http://www.satellitetoday.com/telecom/2009/09/01/minimizing-latency-in-satellite-networks/

 Gamgee wrote:
The satellites around earth are on a time delay. Oldest thing ever. The data sent around the globe every day time travels.
It doesn't really matter when your main gun will blow up half a continent anyways.

If you mean space combat? Again any sufficiently advanced ships would have sensor systems capable of reaching far beyond into space and back to the ship in question really quickly. It's one of the main thing needed to make a space ship navigate space and not crash.

There is nothing wrong with it is what you say, but your tone indicates derision.

Im not ridiculing you, I fully understand why people like it. Just like why people like pacific rim etc. But remember you where the one complaining about complainers, I merely stated why people might be complaining.

As for space, Im spaced out. Anyway you are wrong. If you think otherwise make a thread about it. How do you think the rediculious time delay between systems or planets will work when you are trying to invade a planet with remote control ships? Not well. Even as close as mars there is a 15 minute delay (from memory) in controls and response. This gets worse the further away you get.

I just want the ability to take Firesight Marksmen without Sniper Drones, or at least them having target locks so they can all shoot at different things...

I don't need no big suits, I'm fine with my beautiful little Riptide.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
The satellites around earth are on a time delay. Oldest thing ever. The data sent around the globe every day time travels.
It doesn't really matter when your main gun will blow up half a continent anyways.

If you mean space combat? Again any sufficiently advanced ships would have sensor systems capable of reaching far beyond into space and back to the ship in question really quickly. It's one of the main thing needed to make a space ship navigate space and not crash.

There is nothing wrong with it is what you say, but your tone indicates derision.

Im not ridiculing you, I fully understand why people like it. Just like why people like pacific rim etc. But remember you where the one complaining about complainers, I merely stated why people might be complaining.

As for space, Im spaced out. Anyway you are wrong. If you think otherwise make a thread about it. How do you think the rediculious time delay between systems or planets will work when you are trying to invade a planet with remote control ships? Not well. Even as close as mars there is a 15 minute delay (from memory) in controls and response. This gets worse the further away you get.

There's a fifteen minute delay because that's how long it takes light to get there and transmit the orders. In the future super computer and quantum computers will be more than capable of flying and fighting for us. We've got a drone fighter aircraft that can take off and land on an aircraft carrier today (trials). One of the hardest things for any fighter pilot to do. Right now with no super computers.

You don't sound like you know much about space, spaceflight, or computers. So yeah. I'll stop.

I'm looking forward to seeing if Calgar can tip it over at least.

 Gamgee wrote:

2. We would be capable of firing weapons from light years away.

I have to ask, but what use would that be? Even if it was a laser (speed of light) it would still take years to get there. Anything it was going to hit could have plenty of time to evacuate/move.

 Gamgee wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
The satellites around earth are on a time delay. Oldest thing ever. The data sent around the globe every day time travels.
It doesn't really matter when your main gun will blow up half a continent anyways.

If you mean space combat? Again any sufficiently advanced ships would have sensor systems capable of reaching far beyond into space and back to the ship in question really quickly. It's one of the main thing needed to make a space ship navigate space and not crash.

There is nothing wrong with it is what you say, but your tone indicates derision.

Im not ridiculing you, I fully understand why people like it. Just like why people like pacific rim etc. But remember you where the one complaining about complainers, I merely stated why people might be complaining.

As for space, Im spaced out. Anyway you are wrong. If you think otherwise make a thread about it. How do you think the rediculious time delay between systems or planets will work when you are trying to invade a planet with remote control ships? Not well. Even as close as mars there is a 15 minute delay (from memory) in controls and response. This gets worse the further away you get.

There's a fifteen minute delay because that's how long it takes light to get there and transmit the orders. In the future super computer and quantum computers will be more than capable of flying and fighting for us. We've got a drone fighter aircraft that can take off and land on an aircraft carrier today (trials). One of the hardest things for any fighter pilot to do. Right now with no super computers.

You don't sound like you know much about space, spaceflight, or computers. So yeah. I'll stop.

"There's a fifteen minute delay because that's how long it takes light to get there and transmit the orders" no gak sherlock. So what happens when the enemy does something and the drone asks for orders? We end up replying hours late and our forces could be dead.

Sure maybe we have magic computers that do decisions with combat, but then thats speculation then isnt it?

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
The satellites around earth are on a time delay. Oldest thing ever. The data sent around the globe every day time travels.
It doesn't really matter when your main gun will blow up half a continent anyways.

If you mean space combat? Again any sufficiently advanced ships would have sensor systems capable of reaching far beyond into space and back to the ship in question really quickly. It's one of the main thing needed to make a space ship navigate space and not crash.

There is nothing wrong with it is what you say, but your tone indicates derision.

Im not ridiculing you, I fully understand why people like it. Just like why people like pacific rim etc. But remember you where the one complaining about complainers, I merely stated why people might be complaining.

As for space, Im spaced out. Anyway you are wrong. If you think otherwise make a thread about it. How do you think the rediculious time delay between systems or planets will work when you are trying to invade a planet with remote control ships? Not well. Even as close as mars there is a 15 minute delay (from memory) in controls and response. This gets worse the further away you get.

There's a fifteen minute delay because that's how long it takes light to get there and transmit the orders. In the future super computer and quantum computers will be more than capable of flying and fighting for us. We've got a drone fighter aircraft that can take off and land on an aircraft carrier today (trials). One of the hardest things for any fighter pilot to do. Right now with no super computers.

You don't sound like you know much about space, spaceflight, or computers. So yeah. I'll stop.

"There's a fifteen minute delay because that's how long it takes light to get there and transmit the orders" no gak sherlock. So what happens when the enemy does something and the drone asks for orders? We end up replying hours late and our forces could be dead.

Sure maybe we have magic computers that do decisions with combat, but then thats speculation then isnt it?

It's only speculation if your have a closed mind. Drone combat is the future. The US armed forces know it, the space program knows it, and anyone with an eye for the future knows it. It's not if it's when.

Even now we use autonomous scouting drones and semi-autonomous guided drones in warfare all the time. As for the drone piloting jet fighters the US is testing it out. It's real. An aircraft that can fly and perform better since it will operate without one. No need for G limitations in turns thanks to some flimsy human.

The weapons that we shoot could hypothetically go beyond the speed of light. It's not inconceiable if we have warp drive ships we can install warp drives into missiles and torpedoes.

Edit
It's not "speculation". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_X-47B

That is simply a test bed aircraft. It was making decisions on its own how to land. I can't seem to get this through to you. Spaceships would be flown by AI or as close as we can get to AI. It's simply a fact of life. Humans are slow.

 Gamgee wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
The satellites around earth are on a time delay. Oldest thing ever. The data sent around the globe every day time travels.
It doesn't really matter when your main gun will blow up half a continent anyways.

If you mean space combat? Again any sufficiently advanced ships would have sensor systems capable of reaching far beyond into space and back to the ship in question really quickly. It's one of the main thing needed to make a space ship navigate space and not crash.

There is nothing wrong with it is what you say, but your tone indicates derision.

Im not ridiculing you, I fully understand why people like it. Just like why people like pacific rim etc. But remember you where the one complaining about complainers, I merely stated why people might be complaining.

As for space, Im spaced out. Anyway you are wrong. If you think otherwise make a thread about it. How do you think the rediculious time delay between systems or planets will work when you are trying to invade a planet with remote control ships? Not well. Even as close as mars there is a 15 minute delay (from memory) in controls and response. This gets worse the further away you get.

There's a fifteen minute delay because that's how long it takes light to get there and transmit the orders. In the future super computer and quantum computers will be more than capable of flying and fighting for us. We've got a drone fighter aircraft that can take off and land on an aircraft carrier today (trials). One of the hardest things for any fighter pilot to do. Right now with no super computers.

You don't sound like you know much about space, spaceflight, or computers. So yeah. I'll stop.

"There's a fifteen minute delay because that's how long it takes light to get there and transmit the orders" no gak sherlock. So what happens when the enemy does something and the drone asks for orders? We end up replying hours late and our forces could be dead.

Sure maybe we have magic computers that do decisions with combat, but then thats speculation then isnt it?

It's only speculation if your have a closed mind. Drone combat is the future. The US armed forces know it, the space program knows it, and anyone with an eye for the future knows it. It's not if it's when.

Sure mate, just like scientists once though land battle ships were the future, or when the military insisted cavalry charges are still the future, or when they tried to insist on using tanks as infantry support weapons and so on. The future changes during wars not before them.

I think you will find drones turn out differently in reality (as all weapons do) than they do in test trials.

Anyway, tips fedora. Hope that keen eye of the future helps kid.