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2015/10/07 12:11:40
Subject: Re:[KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch@ $350,000: HIPS GCPS troopers
In Soviet dakka, the forums bane You! Or something.
Good stuff, I like news.
Looks like a small gain overnight (from my timezone perspective) but still positive traction. Closing with the GCPS goal somewhat which is both good and expected for the last few days. Looking g forward to the new HP vehicles and hopefully a surprise or two towards the end.
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2015/10/07 12:43:32
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch@ $350,000: HIPS GCPS troopers
Somewhat related tangentially, but I do hope we see those new command dice included in Infestation pledges. Seems like kind of a big deal in how the game is played. I won't miss the cards that much.
I also hope we see at least one new thing put up for the last add on Wednesday Not a huge fan of just rehashes of already available items. At least give me a metal hero to add on or something!.
Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!
I think they have a choice, and have made that clear on the KS comments, with a fair bit of support.
They can put up some pick-and-mix or get-one-of-every-vehicle deals, and pick up a lot more sales. There are many people who'd like to get one of each. It's not uncommon. You often find shoppers like that on these Ks campaigns. Painters, skirmish players, people who want to field EVERY army, completionists, etc. Some of them are never going to be Warpath players, but they still put a lot of money into these campaigns for other reasons.
Or Mantic can stick to their guns by only offering deals on three of the same vehicle. If they offer mixed vehicle deals, I guarantee that it will net them additional money, money this campaign could use if they want to fund more than the mule and maybe one more hard plastic vehicle. Even putting up a battlegroup of three different but set vehicles would make an impact, and move more people into higher level pledges. I guarantee that sticking with vehicle bundles as they are will not push people who want one vehicle of each type into buying three of the same type, or push skirmish players into becoming mass warfare players. Would mixing up vehicles make packing more difficult? Will offering so many varied add-on deals for everything else making packing difficult? Why should vehicles be any different? Packing isn't the issue, strategy is. But how would offering mixed vehicle deal hurt the campaign?
Anyhow, the ball's in their court. This is the last add-on Wednesday; I think if they are going to change this and make a splash, now would be the time. If they don't, we'll see how this finishes, but I don't expect any big surge.
My other recommendation would be to drop something exclusive and too-good-to-resist into those Ultimate Tyrant pledges to lock them down. Much of the campaign's progress has hung on those. Having gone through the Frenzy backslide with Dreadball Xtreme already, they should know better than to leave that level without an anchor during the final 24.
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2015/10/07 13:55:19
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch@ $350,000: HIPS GCPS troopers
privateer4hire wrote: I think the specialty dice plus the multibasing will really set the game apart in the 28mm world.
Well yes, but not in a good way.
Specialty dice present a barrier to entry. And the reasons multi-basing is a bad idea have been hashed out elsewhere... nothing has changed there.
While I also dislike multi-basing, the specialty dice are not really a barrier... Bolt Action has exploded in the last couple of years, and that requires you to have a special order die per unit (that cost about $1.25 each)
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AlexHolker wrote: particularly the ribcage and consequentially the distance between the shoulders. A model of a man, exaggerated for 28mm, will not have proportions that are adequate for a woman.
That's the problem; over-exaggeration, GW-style, forms the basis of this. The 90's cartoon sculpt aesthetic of GW, I-Kore, Medge, etc, with large heads and hands and no waists, would definitely require exaggerated female anatomy.
However, Mantic's humans have all been more lithe, with smaller heads and hands, closer to Perry aesthetics than GW - at least for their humans. Without this hyper-exaggerated form, you don't need to model proportional changes that would shrink to fractions of a millimeter at this scale.
Edit: dammit, sorry Alpharius, I always post before I see your warning :(
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2015/10/07 14:11:51
Subject: Re:[KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch@ $350,000: HIPS GCPS troopers
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2015/10/07 14:21:21
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch@ $350,000: HIPS GCPS troopers
Well my will snapped and I joined the KS at the advance warfare level. I read someplace that the pledges will continue open for a while after the campaign ends in case people want to add something extra right?
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2015/10/07 14:24:48
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch@ $350,000: HIPS GCPS troopers
Joyboozer wrote: Will we see GCPS renders before the campaign ends?
I doubt we will before the end of the campaign, but we will for certain before the PM. Confidence for $1 backers, but not much in the way of total driving during the project.
I still have to bounce from an early bird to a total warfare pledge. Might add a second TW in the manager. Because reasons. And I need plenty of tanks. Screw Asterians, I want those Corp! (I also already have a boatload. Full IG army worth)
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2015/10/07 15:15:26
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch@ $350,000: HIPS GCPS troopers
Gonna have to skip, can't get the funds together to get what I want.. so I'd rather wait till retail and then I'll probably start with a few corp guys and a couple of mules.
If they're going with the multibase thing, it might be cool if they could do some big resin bases / movement trays with 5 hole slots to put your guys, with some rubble and stuff all around. Kinda like those old gale force 9 movement trays, only not plain.
2015/10/07 15:43:41
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch@ $350,000: HIPS GCPS troopers
They need to do plastic bases to support the game. I'm honestly shocked that was not included in the basic set/pledge and that units bought for the game do not have them included.
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2015/10/07 15:48:10
Subject: Re:[KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch@ $350,000: HIPS GCPS troopers
I want some (cheap) plastic movement trays, both for this and Kings of War. I too am shocked that Mantic hasn't gotten something put together themselves to remedy this.
Of course, I want trays with spots 40mm round bases so I can send my Trollbloods off to fight in Kings of War, but my Scattergunners, Highwaymen, and Sluggers wouldn't mind having a go in Warpath either. Use 'em as counts as Marauders or some such.
Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!
The movement tray idea is a no brainer. It allows for use of the minis in other games/ Firefight/ Deadzone rather than diorama bases that pretty much mean your minis have to be used in Warpath (if glued onto the bigger base) or takes up a fair degree of hobby time.
The trays would be easy to design, and a guaranteed money maker. If they want us to play 100+ miniatures a side games that is a hell of a lot of movement trays and thus additional funding.
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MLaw wrote: Looks like Mantic is searching for ideas about what to add for Add-On Wed.
I'm betting it ends up being paint or something.
Already had paint in the terrain one.
Whatever it is, it will be anti-climactic, because ever since Mantic started "add-on wednesday" they've almost always been overhyped duds.
Very true.
On the other hand, to their credit, Mantic haven't really hyped this one at all. I'm not expecting anything game-changing, but whatever brings in more backers and $ is fine with me. They really should put the Veer-myn hard plastics up, though, as I think they're the only faction featured that still doesn't have their troopers up as add-ons.
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2015/10/07 16:49:09
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch@ $350,000: HIPS GCPS troopers
I'm really glad we're ending with the GCPS and not the Asterians. If it were the Asterians and things were lagging, the message might have been interpreted as these aliens are too niche, nobody likes them.
Since it's the GCPS instead, which should have very broad appeal, any drag won't be read that way. As an Asterian fan, I'm glad, as I don't want Mantic getting signals that they need to lay off of those alien races for awhile and play it safer. The alien races are precisely where my interest is.
Parts-wise, I would like to see the Asterian drones torsos separated from their hips / legs, though. If the only variation possible is the turn of their heads and arms, 5 fixed poses isn't much variation for an army.
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2015/10/07 17:32:59
Subject: Re:[KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch@ $350,000: HIPS GCPS troopers
Well the Kickstarter comments are always good for a laugh:
William B:
"Do you have any 3d break downs of parts for the Forgefathers Steel Warriors? Intrested in seeing how they will be on spruce."
Me:
"The Steel Warriors are coming on Spruce? Is this another Mantic material swap? I thought they were hard plastic? There was no reference to wood as a material."
It is odd how Mantic have never really tested the full possibilities of add on wednesday, that said I was pleasantly shocked by the backer numbers of scenery only pledges.
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Over night we passed a major milestone – 2,500 backers – and it doesn’t look like we’ve stopped there as we’re now up to 2570 backers at the time of writing.
Thank you so much to everyone for your support!
Like you guys, we just want to get on and get the GCPS unlocked - so let's introduce a little Mantic Madness to proceedings!
$350,000 Stretch Goal Updated
When we hit our next stretch goal, we will be funding the GCPS Troopers and GCPS Battlegroup.
But we wanted to give a little bit more away than that, so...
When we hit the goal, we will also upgrade both Ultimate Tyrant pledge levels by adding:
-- One extra Warpath Counter Set worth $15
-- One extra Warpath Command Dice worth $8
AND
-- Unlocking the option to pick a second $30 hard plastic vehicle for FREE!
This means that with Ultimate Tyrant you could choose TWENTY hard plastic vehicles for $425, and you’ll have extra counters and dice should you choose to pick say two 2,000 points armies as your 6 Battlegroups.
There are only 80 of these left and they will not be available on the pledge manager, (though if you’re already at Ultimate Tyrant you can choose to add a second Ultimate Tyrant pledge level if you want) – so please get one before they are gone.
Total Warfare Limited!
Whilst we do offer a facility for people to change their pledge levels up during the pledge manager, we want to offer a little something extra to those who are pledging during the campaign to help drive through some of these stretch goals.
So, the Total Warfare $235 pledge level is now limited to just 400 available.
If we sell out of these before the campaign ends we will open up a new Total Warfare pledge level at $250. The $250 version of the pledge level will be the one available on the Pledge Manager. This means that if you pledge for it during the campaign, you will get $15 off.
For $235, you can choose any three $75 Battlegroups from the faction and vehicle bundles we have available. Those three battlegroups separately come to $225, and for the remaining $10 you get:
-- A choice of any $30 hard plastic vehicle
-- The Warpath and Firefight Rulebooks
-- Warpath Source Book
-- Digital versions of all three books
-- A free set of $8 Command Dice
-- A free $10 Warpath Counter Set
Note: If you’re at the $235 level and want a second one on the Pledge Manager, you will be able to add additional ones for same amount you paid for the first one.
Add-on Wednesday
Add-on Wednesday is the update where we offer some cool optional add-ons we thought you might like to get. It might be scenery for your wargames table – or even an actual wargames table! – or it might be accessories or bundles on miniatures.
Let’s get started…
Tritonic Wastes 6’x4’ Warpath Deluxe Battlemat (Not final artwork)
Making a wargame table can be hard work, so in addition to the hard plastic Tablescapes board, we are also offering a beautifully detailed full-colour sci-fi gaming mat.
This durable mat is crease and tear resistant, folds away neatly for easy storage, and featured a non-slip backing.
You can find out more about deluxe rubber gaming mats in this video with former community manager James M. Hewitt, who took the Mars Attacks battle mat out for a test spin (filmed in 2013).
Faction Dice
Always a popular choice – get customized 16mm fancy six-sided dice with an etched faction logo on the ‘6’ for your faction of choice. You can also get all six sets for $75 - getting you one set free.
Mantic Tape Measure
A Tape Measure is an essential item for almost any wargame, and for the first time you can get one with the iconic Mantic Splat branded on the side.
The tape measure is designed for easy-use, and the tape will stay extended without having to hold the button in down - quite the reverse in fact, the button actually retracts the tape.
Plague Formation
About The 1st Gen Aberration
For one of the greatest threats facing it, the Galactic Co-Prosperity Sphere knows little about the Plague.
Two of the biggest questions posed by the ETCU is ‘How can the Plague be so comprehensibly virulent?’ and, ‘Why do not all first contact creatures become First Generation Infected?’ Because not all do. Whether it be a flaw in the subject’s genetic code, or some kind of switch within the Plague itself, limiting the number of First Gen Infected, some of those in first contact with a Plague Artefact do not mutate into a Stage One. Their fate is much worse.
Post Containment studies have found that the individuals who change into what have become known as Aberrations, show signs that the mutation followed the same initial stages as those who turn into First Generations; the massive stature and chitinous skin the most telling factors. But at some undefined stage the transformation ceases and begins to fall apart.
Though the victim continues to grow, the mutation forces the host to a hunched, almost quadrupedal stature (it bears noting that Stage One Infected will follow the host’s locomotive nature in all other cases). The end result is an immense, infected creature which does not demonstrate the purposeful nature within the rest of an Infected population. That is to say, it does not seek to spread the Plague, instead it seems to be driven by rabid ferocity and nothing more. One aspect of the Aberration which has sparked some interest in GCPS scientists is the creature seems not to be a vector for the Plague; it cannot infect other creatures. Given that any creature it comes across usually does not survive may or may not be a factor in this.
Standing on a 60mm circular base, the resin Aberration is a beast of a miniature – and with this formation you get two of them!
We’ve also included 2 Plague Teratons, giving you a squad of 3 if you combine this add-on with a Plague Battlegroup. Plague Teratons give the Plague vital Command points – don’t understand their usefulness.
Veer-myn Night-Crawlers
Perhaps one of the most persistently asked for sets, the basic Veer-myn hard plastic kit can either build Veer-myn Night-Crawlers or close-combat Veer-myn Stalkers.
There are also enough components to build a Maligni specialist with either Heavy Ray Guy or Chem-Thrower heavy weapon.
Here are the first sample sprues from the manufacturer:
And for a bit of fun…
Ack-ack-ack Att-ack!
Over the course of the last two years we created the Mars Attacks Miniatures Game – a fast-paced, board-game hybrid, with simple figures and awesome vehicles.
Mars Attacks is strictly not canon and is not included in the Warpath Universe – but there’s no harm in offering Force Lists for the Martians and Human for Warpath is there? These will be digital downloads when the game hits retail, and we thought you might like the opportunity to pick up some of these fun models now…
There are three Mars Attacks Battlegroups below. Each one is $75 and, the same deal as with all of the different Battlegroups, you can choose them as part of your pledge of Advanced Warfare, Total Warfare and Ultimate Tyrant, or simply add them on top.
Martian Battlegroup
They came from another planet and now they want ours! This is the day that the people of Earth will remember forever more. This is the day that Mars Attacks!
Martian Robot Battlegroup
While not a robot in the truest sense, this isn’t a distinction that matters a great deal to those on the receiving end of these gigantic death machines. Designed by the Science Division as a shock and awe vehicle, Giant Robots are an inelegant but powerful weapon in the Martian invasion effort. Standing over twenty feet tall, their weapon arms are almost a secondary consideration on Earth, their size and bulk allowing them to simply stomp on or through most human forces with relative ease. When they do power up their arm weapons, the forces of humanity have learned to run, and quickly.
Human Battlegroup
The first wave of the invasion is over, and General Tor is determined to wipe all resistance - but the invaders aren’t having it all their own way. The mysterious Novas Vira have arrived to rally the survivors and help them in taking the fight back to the Martians, bringing exotic weaponry and equipment to even the balance.
With both sides bringing new weapons and tactics to the conflict, things can only get uglier!
2015 The Topps Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. MARS ATTACKS is a Registered Trademark of The Topps Company, Inc. Licensed by The Topps Company.
AND FINALLY…
No Mantic Kickstarter adventure is complete without this guy…
This is Blaine – an inter-dimension traveller and effectively Mantic’s Kickstarter mascot. Might we see a new version before the end?
Do we think we should have a fully kitted out Mercenary Leader Blaine in a custom suit of Powered Peacekeeper Armour, or do we want to see Walker Blaine, our mighty mercenary laid low thanks to the highly infectious Plague?
Let us know in the comments.
Edit: Adding pictures shortly... I know Alpharius has complained about the lack of pictures ^_^
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2015/10/07 18:28:09
Subject: Re:[KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch@ $350,000: HIPS GCPS troopers
Vermonter wrote: I'm really glad we're ending with the GCPS and not the Asterians. If it were the Asterians and things were lagging, the message might have been interpreted as these aliens are too niche, nobody likes them.
Since it's the GCPS instead, which should have very broad appeal, any drag won't be read that way. As an Asterian fan, I'm glad, as I don't want Mantic getting signals that they need to lay off of those alien races for awhile and play it safer. The alien races are precisely where my interest is.
Parts-wise, I would like to see the Asterian drones torsos separated from their hips / legs, though. If the only variation possible is the turn of their heads and arms, 5 fixed poses isn't much variation for an army.
I agree with you. I think the Asterians are the strongest range for Warpath, even more than the Enforcers, with only one disappointing unit. The designs could easily be used to proxy robot drones or aliens in a number of settings, and their vehicle will be the most distinctive of the campaign. In contrast, the USPS Rangers have one nice sketch going for them, but suffer due to Mantic's poor reputation for human sculpts and uncomfortable comparisons to the controversial Enforcer Pathfinders. The market just saw a glut in HIPS humans this year, so that might also be a factor. Too bad Mantic didn't try to test the waters for a Z'zor or Nameless plastic kit.
So, if anyone wants the TL;DR version, Total Warfare is now limited. I just switched to it myself. There are just over 100 left. If you buy one at the $235, it stays at $235 if you get a second in the PM. If you wait and miss out, they'll go up to $250. Get it now if you really want it.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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2015/10/07 18:34:58
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch@ $350,000: HIPS GCPS troopers
Even more TLDR: Ultimate Tyrant is now very likely strictly better than 2x total warfare. They added in 23 dollars worth of counters and command dice, as well as a second vehicle pick, bringing the total for that up to potentially 20 vehicles just like TWx2. So now double TW costs you $45 to get an extra copy of the three books, which should put ultimate tyrant as clearly better.
Of course, UT will not be offered in PM if I read correctly, whereas a more expensive late-bird version of TW will. I guess I'm gonna lock in an ultimate tyrant and decide on the last day if I'm happy affording that now or not.
Does jiff some people who wanted to lock in UT now and get a TW later but only by 15 monies.
Also the Mars Attacks bundles almost ensure that I'll have *something* to get with the six battle groups of ultimate tyrant.
2015/10/07 18:39:37
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch@ $350,000: HIPS GCPS troopers
Honestly, I much prefer $235 now for the TW package, then another $235 in another couple months (re: after christmas), instead of all of it right now. Makes TW better for me, even if it's a couple bucks more.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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2015/10/07 18:42:00
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch@ $350,000: HIPS GCPS troopers
Yeah, I agree, that's why I was on it before. But now it's like 45 more monies for nothing. Effectively. Besides I have the money now and I won 't come the holiday season between working less and buying other people stuff. And I doubt the pledge manager will ride deep enough into February for my birthday, it tends not to.
But I totally understand your stance on it
And if I decide I can't do UT come judgement day, I'll just have to back down to a dollar and cherry pick my favorite addons instead. So in a way, it's almost more freeing for me personally to be at UT. Or my brain is addled and it's hobby center decided this was a great way to lock in as much goodness as possible. Tricky brain.
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2015/10/07 18:48:05
Subject: Re:[KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch@ $350,000: HIPS GCPS troopers
This is Blaine – an inter-dimension traveller and effectively Mantic’s Kickstarter mascot. Might we see a new version before the end?
Do we think we should have a fully kitted out Mercenary Leader Blaine in a custom suit of Powered Peacekeeper Armour, or do we want to see Walker Blaine, our mighty mercenary laid low thanks to the highly infectious Plague?
Let us know in the comments.
2015/10/07 18:49:59
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch@ $350,000: HIPS GCPS troopers