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 timetowaste85 wrote:
So, if anyone wants the TL;DR version, Total Warfare is now limited. I just switched to it myself. There are just over 100 left. If you buy one at the $235, it stays at $235 if you get a second in the PM. If you wait and miss out, they'll go up to $250. Get it now if you really want it.

Yes that is the biggest piece you should take away from this.

Although I understand part of the reason. They want to drive people to upgrade now vs later, they also want to drive funds to the campaign which is what gets Stretch Goals unlocked... however I am sort of torn. I'm not sure I like that it was changed mid-campaign and you are now charged more for going to the pledge manager later and adding funds. Although I'm starting to see this become more of a thing.

Is the Mars Attacks Blaine available in board game plastic? If so, I need to start saving up Mantic Points again.


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 Dark Severance wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
So, if anyone wants the TL;DR version, Total Warfare is now limited. I just switched to it myself. There are just over 100 left. If you buy one at the $235, it stays at $235 if you get a second in the PM. If you wait and miss out, they'll go up to $250. Get it now if you really want it.

Yes that is the biggest piece you should take away from this.

Although I understand part of the reason. They want to drive people to upgrade now vs later, they also want to drive funds to the campaign which is what gets Stretch Goals unlocked... however I am sort of torn. I'm not sure I like that it was changed mid-campaign and you are now charged more for going to the pledge manager later and adding funds. Although I'm starting to see this become more of a thing.

It just means we have to play hardball back.


Hint hint, Miniature Market.

Yep MA Blaine is 15 Mantic points

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/mantic-points/mars-attacks/product/15-points-mars-attacks-blaine.html

I haven't missed a Blaine yet. Don't intend to start now! Also, I'd prefer Peacekeeper Blaine. Plague Infested Blaine seems wrong-hes supposed to be "untouchable", gaining new gears and toys, but succumbing to the plague? No...no, no, no, no, no.

On the bright side, now is a great time to grab a $115 EB, there are 9 open at the moment!

Well come good news at least for those wanting 2x Total Warfare.

Jason Gifford
If we have a limited tier such as the Total Warfare will we be able to pickup a second one in the pledge manager for the reduced price?

Creator Mantic Games
@ Jason Gifford - Yes - you can pick it up at the same price as you paid for it during the campaign.

So you don't have to double down on the Total Warfare just yet to be locked in... you just need one pledge and can do the rest in the PM still.

 DaveC wrote:
Yep MA Blaine is 15 Mantic points

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/mantic-points/mars-attacks/product/15-points-mars-attacks-blaine.html

Sweet. Their Mars Attacks plastics are really good quality, especially the Tiger Corps, which Blaine looks the most like.


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 timetowaste85 wrote:
I haven't missed a Blaine yet. Don't intend to start now! Also, I'd prefer Peacekeeper Blaine. Plague Infested Blaine seems wrong-hes supposed to be "untouchable", gaining new gears and toys, but succumbing to the plague? No...no, no, no, no, no.

That's my reading of Blaine, too. I would prefer if he had some distinctive power armor of his own, though.

Yeah, the trick for me though is that now UT clearly trumps TWx2 unless you think getting the three books for $45 is superior. It does offer additional payment flexibility but at the interest rate of $45 (and some extra books).

So I think I'm gonna go UT and end up with lots of vehicles or fall back to a dollar and get single vehicles at a slightly expanded price, the 20/$20 options, and some other misc tidbits (Mules!), and still end up less than I would have before, though a bit less efficiently.

The Tiger Corps are the shining gem production value wise to come from Mars Attacks, nice stuff.

The MA stuff was coming and we knew it was. I didn't anticipate it being presented in an official BG though. Is there a pdf with the preliminary lists for those or is that forthcoming?

Does anyone know how the Martian deals stack up compared to the MA KS?

Kudos on the 6'x4' battlemat.. but.. it's of the easiest tabletop we could make. I think most people might've been looking for something more urban or ...I dunno.. more involved than a big dusty rock field? I know that probably just sounds like a pointless complaint but I'd have liked to have seen something more enticing ... I dunno.. (almost Mantic.. almost)

Noticed a possible error/typo too. They mention the counters and dice in two places and in one they say $8 and $10 and in the other $8 and $15.. which we can figure out by looking at the add-ons but wanted to point it out in case someone was reading the values from those spots.

Limiting total warfare seems like a dick move to me to artificially boost pledges now.

I don't remember the KS stuff too well MLaw but I was planning on going over MM's offerings and reporting my findings.

This project is pulling away from me. As a DZ1 backer I have a small Enforcer, Rebs, Ork, Plague, Forge Father and Space Elf force. The Pathfinders and Space skaven of DZ2 didn't appeal.

Operation Hercules seemed good, reinforcements for 2/6 of the forces I have. But I'm not looking for things Battlegroup sized. To the point where I'm tempted to have a minis only pledge picking up the 20 for $20 deals instead.

Well it has served its purpose, about an 8 k leap in under 2 hours, and now the 350k stretch goal has been reached.

Lukez wrote:
Limiting total warfare seems like a dick move to me to artificially boost pledges now.

Pretty much.

They tried the carrot. Here comes the stick.

Looks like right now I'm in for a buck, and after payday I'll bump my pledge to account for my add-ons. Going to convince the missus, as I'm planning on getting a 20-for-20 of the GCPS, the new Plague 3rd gens, and the Asterians. I might get a lone FF tank, Dropship, or an Ajax strider, but barring a bundle deal I'm probably sitting pretty at a single vehicle for right now.

However, if they sweeten the GCPS battleforce (Or offer some renders of the trooper designs) or start offering 2-for$30 vehicle deals, I think I might end up splurging quite a bit higher.

I cannot see them adding 2 for 30 vehicles. Compared to a battlegroup that would be an extra kit and a 20% ish discount on top. Backers would flip as the pledges became worse value than addons. Rebalancing pledges with four days to go sound flat masochistic. The changes to UT have convinced me to upgrade. I'm not sure what I will do with all the stuff.

I'm in at the Warfare. We've been using Warpath 1.0 for occasional apocalypse-sized battles with our rarely-used 40k armies and I'm eager for a new version. I'll also give the skirmish version a shot. They look good, but I've got little interest in the Warpath minis. I've already got Blood Angels (enforcers) and IG (Corporation) and am working on a Squat (ForgeFathers) army. 28mm Company size warfare (what some call "mass Battle) is truely ridiculous, but I like a bit of ridiculous, especially when I'm breaking out my 40k figs.

I'm a fan of the less-is-more Mantic rules like KoW -which the club also uses with a variety of figs- so this should be good.

I missed the first 30 pages of this so can someone let me know what has been said about multibasing?
-Is it optional?
-Is there a specific size multibase?

Yeah, I think 2 for $30 is pushing it a bit. I'd jump at 2 for $40 as add-ons though (not that I wouldn't jump at $30 just doesn't seem realistic)

Alright so I'm using Miniature Market because they tend to have a healthy discount on most everything, here's what we're looking at.

Giant stompy robot battlegroup 75 bucks, $25/robot. Retail for $40, MM has for 32. So 96 at retail NOW or 75 when the project delivers. I can't judge the value of the wait for anyone but myself, but they do come up cheaper, neat.

Human army battlegroup. Hmm... Almost identical contents to the human army expansion available right now at Miniature market. That goes for $80 and sells on MM for $64. yes I'm rounding up that penny to save typing a bunch of 99s. Now before you start hemming and hawing, they do seem to have tacked on 3/4 the contents of an ATTACK FROM SPAA'AACE box which sells on MM for $20. They left out the martian, makes sense. Given that the flea rider guy is as big as the other three combined.. meh still call it $15 retail value. So the battle group comes in barely better at $75 for what you could get at retail NOW for $84(since you don't have the option to not buy that extra martian). Not as good of a margin as the robots, still a little something.

The Martian battle group doesn't have quite as analogous of an existing offering, but we'll take a look at the martian army expansion on MM as it's the closest match (80/64 dollars). The sets both have the 20 grunts, 5 stealth martians, 5 martian marines, and one saucer. The army expansion has one more saucer whereas the martian battlegroup has the box of science division and both bug handler sets. If you call the extra saucer and the science division equal value (which they are on MM), the main difference is the two bug handler sets which come up to $32 total on MM. So basically buy it from Warpath to lock in $32 more dollars worth of bugs, IF you're willing to trade out a saucer for the science division AND wait for the WP to ship as opposed to getting it NOW.

Looks like a LOT of people who were happy to pledge a buck now to get TW later were convinced by the $15 Pledge Manager tax.

Thanks for your analysis, Grimdork. Just out of curiosity, how does the Asterian BG stack up compared to 20 for $20 plastics and MM restics?

 GrimDork wrote:
Alright so I'm using Miniature Market because they tend to have a healthy discount on most everything, here's what we're looking at.

Giant stompy robot battlegroup 75 bucks, $25/robot. Retail for $40, MM has for 32. So 96 at retail NOW or 75 when the project delivers. I can't judge the value of the wait for anyone but myself, but they do come up cheaper, neat.

Human army battlegroup. Hmm... Almost identical contents to the human army expansion available right now at Miniature market. That goes for $80 and sells on MM for $64. yes I'm rounding up that penny to save typing a bunch of 99s. Now before you start hemming and hawing, they do seem to have tacked on 3/4 the contents of an ATTACK FROM SPAA'AACE box which sells on MM for $20. They left out the martian, makes sense. Given that the flea rider guy is as big as the other three combined.. meh still call it $15 retail value. So the battle group comes in barely better at $75 for what you could get at retail NOW for $84(since you don't have the option to not buy that extra martian). Not as good of a margin as the robots, still a little something.

The Martian battle group doesn't have quite as analogous of an existing offering, but we'll take a look at the martian army expansion on MM as it's the closest match (80/64 dollars). The sets both have the 20 grunts, 5 stealth martians, 5 martian marines, and one saucer. The army expansion has one more saucer whereas the martian battlegroup has the box of science division and both bug handler sets. If you call the extra saucer and the science division equal value (which they are on MM), the main difference is the two bug handler sets which come up to $32 total on MM. So basically buy it from Warpath to lock in $32 more dollars worth of bugs, IF you're willing to trade out a saucer for the science division AND wait for the WP to ship as opposed to getting it NOW.

Gotta factor in shipping too.
You're already close to the $99 margin for free MM shipping.
Thanks for the number crunching.

 Eilif wrote:

I missed the first 30 pages of this so can someone let me know what has been said about multibasing?
-Is it optional?
-Is there a specific size multibase?

There was some talk about including the Hub rule for as an optional rule for those who don't want to multibase... essentially multibasing without the base.

I don't believe there's been anything said about appropriate sizes for the base yet.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Looks like a LOT of people who were happy to pledge a buck now to get TW later were convinced by the $15 Pledge Manager tax.

I had been planning to do it when I was not at work (wanted time to relax as I went through and made decisions, but having every intention to upgrade. Limiting to 400 just forced me to do a day early what I intended to do tomorrow. Hope it didn't piss off too many people.

There's some grumbling but generally it's just out of vocal minorities. I mean in the KS comments half of the people that post actively every day are in for a buck at this point but aggressively demand their requests and heard and initiated, or like to complain over and over even though they're barely invested. A few people seem to have groused, but from the look of the total, the hivemind that wants a bunch of minis/the rules/SOMETHING seems to be in agreement that value has been shown and urgency is in place. Already almost 1/3 of the way through the Mule stretch which means we may well have cleared it by the time we hit the 48 hour email. WOots.

Also on shipping, yes, MM will have free shipping after just a little added to any of those comparative deals.

It looks like you get a pretty good deal on the asterian battlegroup, kids are up so I'd have to math it out later.

Lukez wrote:
Limiting total warfare seems like a dick move to me to artificially boost pledges now.

Yep. It's Passive-aggressive Wednesday.

I was going to let the EB stay. Might be time to drop to a $1 PM pledge and see if I give a gak later. I won't be going for TW at all now, since I'm not emotionally invested in their world or background and there's no game that I'm interested in at this point. Shame, I'd fully intended to keep my EB and go TW (or two) later, now they've managed to piss me off by being desperate dicks.

I am admittedly a $1 vocal minority. That's how this works though.
If you want to see something, mention it. There's a good chance they'll bite. People complaining about aspects of the Mule are supposedly leading to a few changes to it.
$1 does not equal a minimal investment, it equals a potential investment. Especially while the KS is still active.

 MLaw wrote:

$1 does not equal a minimal investment, it equals a potential investment. Especially while the KS is still active.

Exactly. The folks with the multi-hundred dollar pledges who think everything Mantic offers is fantastic, well their $$$s don't go away. Those $1 pledges? That is money Mantic can potentially earn, or decide it is not worth their effort and leave it on the table so to speak.

Seems silly to believe Mantic should ignore all that and only cater to the folks who are a sure bet.

And sometimes those 'vocal minority' guys have some damned good points. The original 'robot dog' concept sucked. The composition of a US squad in Mars Attacks get a LOT better because of input.

 MLaw wrote:
Yeah, I think 2 for $30 is pushing it a bit. I'd jump at 2 for $40 as add-ons though (not that I wouldn't jump at $30 just doesn't seem realistic)

I would probably go for 2-for-$40. I'm just looking at the pricing for their 20-for-$20, of the # of unique sprues vs cost, for getting my 2-for-$30 idea being reasonable.

Frankly, even more than a cheap twofer deal, I'd just want a 1-of-everything vehicle variety pack, so I can get a deal on the vehicles without getting a bunch of excesses if I hate them or they're for a faction I rarely use.

 Azazelx wrote:

Lukez wrote:
Limiting total warfare seems like a dick move to me to artificially boost pledges now.

Yep. It's Passive-aggressive Wednesday.

Exhalted.