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Hi guys. i am starting reading necron fluff and on a website somewhere it says that orikan is rumored to be a ctan in hiding. is this Really true or possibly true?

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No.
He is a Cryptek. If he were a C'tan, he'd be far more powerful. At his most powerful, his stats are about equal to a C'tan shard, which is only a tiny piece of an actual C'tan.

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Its in the lower part of the article

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Orikan_the_Diviner

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I think it is heavily implied he is some sort of Ctan shard taking the form of a Cryptek (similar to how in the old fluff the Deceiver took the form of planetary governors etc.

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It's 1d4chan. You cannot use anything on that website as a reliable source, it's all hyperbole and fan theories.



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Its more likely that he's utilizing some shard of a C'tan to empower him.
It could also be where he receives his ability to move through time as well, considering no other Necron seems to have this ability.
He's probably using/creating technology to harness its power to his own ends.
Remember that the Necrons aren't bound to the tech-retardation of the Imperium/Eldar, and are still finding ways to create new inventions.
Illuminor Szeras is another example, innovating in the area of Biotransferance, most likely on some kind of a mission from the Silent King.
Basically, the Necrons are developing technology faster than the Admech could ever dream, and they have a several million year head-start.

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I don't think he is.

My reasoning for this is that he opposed the biotransfer process. The C'tan wished to enslave the Necrons through biotranference, so why would power-hungry Orikan oppose it?

I've also never heard of a C'tan growing stronger because of star alignment. C'tan get their power from feeding off energy, so this doesn't make sense. If Orikan was using a shard to get stronger then he wouldn't have to wait for random star alignments to power him up. So no, I don't think he's a C'tan.

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He's a Numeromancer and a Astrogator. Because Necrons are the proof of Clarke's Law ("Any technology, suitably advanced, will seem like magic to the uninitiated"), what they do appears to be space-magic.

Orikan the Diviner has unlocked the scientific secrets of time-travel. Nothing more, nothing less. Just a smart Necron.

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There is more to it than that. He has a secret, implied to be his powers that grow when the stars are right, that he has protected by going back in time and removing threats who have discovered parts of it.

The whole "Stars are right" thing is very Cthulhuian. There is more to him than just being a smart necron.

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 PhillyT wrote:
There is more to it than that. He has a secret, implied to be his powers that grow when the stars are right, that he has protected by going back in time and removing threats who have discovered parts of it.

The whole "Stars are right" thing is very Cthulhuian. There is more to him than just being a smart necron.

You're right. He isn't just intelligent, he is also ambitious enough to want to use his intelligence, and wise enough to know how to use it. He utilizes his intelligence to gather and/or create his power, and his power is great/complex enough that it just seems like space magic.

As far as the whole "Stars are Right" thing (lovecraftian), it could have something to do with the electromagnetic waves from said stars coming together in the correct manner, so as to create minute electromagnetic fields which can be used to amplify power. Or it could be some other, vastly more complicated form of space magic that I can't comprehend. Either way, there is a science behind it.

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That could very well be. I think GW leaves it vague to work with whatever a person wants. I like the idea of CTan possession myself.

Since the CTan are very much like Lovecraftian Old Ones, I took the Stars are Right statement to imply something much more insidious.

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 PhillyT wrote:
There is more to it than that. He has a secret, implied to be his powers that grow when the stars are right, that he has protected by going back in time and removing threats who have discovered parts of it.

The whole "Stars are right" thing is very Cthulhuian. There is more to him than just being a smart necron.


Because he's super-science. The C'Tan aren't affected by stars (they just eat them). You can't be "possessed" by a C'Tan, they don't have souls, or Warp Presences, or anything of the sort. They exist wholly and completely in Realspace (hence why they needed the Necrontyr to fight the Old Ones in the Warp) and are, basically, the intelligences that drive the laws of physical reality... the whole concept of them is Lovecraftian (as the Great Old Ones of the Mythos are, also, just super-science aliens, not gods.).

It's also cool to attach a SR to a model called "The stars are right!".

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I doubt that The Stars Are Right has anything to do with literal celestial bodies.

It happens too often and it happens at night just as much as it does at day.

It's far more likely that he has some kind of potential energy store or death syphon - remember that the longer the battle goes on, the more likely he is to empower.

He's probably fueled not by the stars, but by the death energy of the enemy fighters. Perhaps that big disk on his collar is a soul trap derived from the Biotransference technology that lets him convert warp energy (souls) into materium energy that he can use to enhance himself.



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TSAR in Lovecraft refers to the time of the return of the Old Gods.
   
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 Psienesis wrote:
 PhillyT wrote:
There is more to it than that. He has a secret, implied to be his powers that grow when the stars are right, that he has protected by going back in time and removing threats who have discovered parts of it.

The whole "Stars are right" thing is very Cthulhuian. There is more to him than just being a smart necron.


Because he's super-science. The C'Tan aren't affected by stars (they just eat them). You can't be "possessed" by a C'Tan, they don't have souls, or Warp Presences, or anything of the sort. They exist wholly and completely in Realspace (hence why they needed the Necrontyr to fight the Old Ones in the Warp) and are, basically, the intelligences that drive the laws of physical reality... the whole concept of them is Lovecraftian (as the Great Old Ones of the Mythos are, also, just super-science aliens, not gods.).

It's also cool to attach a SR to a model called "The stars are right!".


Why can't a CTan possess something with their super science? They are in fact possessing artificial bodies by default.

And precisely because they are masters of the materium, it could easily be surmised that some shard could have figured out how to attach themselves to something other than the shard they previously possessed.

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 PhillyT wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:
 PhillyT wrote:
There is more to it than that. He has a secret, implied to be his powers that grow when the stars are right, that he has protected by going back in time and removing threats who have discovered parts of it.

The whole "Stars are right" thing is very Cthulhuian. There is more to him than just being a smart necron.


Because he's super-science. The C'Tan aren't affected by stars (they just eat them). You can't be "possessed" by a C'Tan, they don't have souls, or Warp Presences, or anything of the sort. They exist wholly and completely in Realspace (hence why they needed the Necrontyr to fight the Old Ones in the Warp) and are, basically, the intelligences that drive the laws of physical reality... the whole concept of them is Lovecraftian (as the Great Old Ones of the Mythos are, also, just super-science aliens, not gods.).

It's also cool to attach a SR to a model called "The stars are right!".


Why can't a CTan possess something with their super science? They are in fact possessing artificial bodies by default.

And precisely because they are masters of the materium, it could easily be surmised that some shard could have figured out how to attach themselves to something other than the shard they previously possessed.


Because Warp-energy is anathema to them. Shreds them up good. Is how Super-Psyker Emperor beat the piss out of the Void Dragon while wearing iron armor, an iron sword, and riding a horse.

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However, Orikan is an artificial body. There is no real reason for a C'tan not to be able to inhabit a Cryptek-scale necrodermis rather than a statuesque one.



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Orikan has a pre-biotransference history as doing what he does. The Necrontyr did not become super-science after they became the Necrons, they already were super-science.

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Does he? I don't know anything about Orikan from before Biotransference. I didn't even know there were sources for that, which book's it in?

(I'm not, incidentally, a fan of the 'Orikan is a C'tan' theory - I posted my thoughts earlier - but it is possible for a C'tan to wear a Necron body would be my point)

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the idea i heard was that he was a ctan who hid in a necron body so as to not get sharded

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 Psienesis wrote:
 PhillyT wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:
 PhillyT wrote:
There is more to it than that. He has a secret, implied to be his powers that grow when the stars are right, that he has protected by going back in time and removing threats who have discovered parts of it.

The whole "Stars are right" thing is very Cthulhuian. There is more to him than just being a smart necron.


Because he's super-science. The C'Tan aren't affected by stars (they just eat them). You can't be "possessed" by a C'Tan, they don't have souls, or Warp Presences, or anything of the sort. They exist wholly and completely in Realspace (hence why they needed the Necrontyr to fight the Old Ones in the Warp) and are, basically, the intelligences that drive the laws of physical reality... the whole concept of them is Lovecraftian (as the Great Old Ones of the Mythos are, also, just super-science aliens, not gods.).

It's also cool to attach a SR to a model called "The stars are right!".


Why can't a CTan possess something with their super science? They are in fact possessing artificial bodies by default.

And precisely because they are masters of the materium, it could easily be surmised that some shard could have figured out how to attach themselves to something other than the shard they previously possessed.


Because Warp-energy is anathema to them. Shreds them up good. Is how Super-Psyker Emperor beat the piss out of the Void Dragon while wearing iron armor, an iron sword, and riding a horse.


Why would it require the warp? CTan possess necodermus without using the warp.

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They don't "possess" it, they just inhabit it, since they're a non-physical life form. They're glowing clouds of fog, they may not even have arms or legs.

Daemonic Possession is a thing that happens on an entirely different level.

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I think we are splitting hairs here. CTan "inhabit" inanimate objects. I referred to it as possession, but you seem to equate that to demonic/warp inhabitation. I didn't mean it like that.

A CTan could plausibly inhabit a cryptek hull.

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I think the difference is that "possession" implies displacing the body's previous sapience.



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Which, given that he was "Orikan the Diviner" to the Dynasties of the Necrontyr Empire prior to Biotransference, suggests that he basically just changed bodies and then kept on doing the things he had always done.

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Maybe he tampered in the wrong place and was pushed out?

There is plenty of room for the idea that he is now home to a CTan.

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But nothing but speculation that it's even considered. If he were, why does it require a dice-roll to trigger TSAR? Why is the C'Tan not able to switch into a C'Tan build at will? If the C'Tan is so afraid of capture by other Necrons, why does it not simply step out-of-phase with the current time-space continuum to wait out the long aeons, occasionally checking back to see how the Necrons and the rest of the galaxy is faring? Why would it take the body of some Cryptek and not a more-powerful Phaeron? The specially-built bodies for an actual C'Tan?

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I don't know, suppression? There is no explanation in any case, so its as likely to be a CTan or not. It is typical GW where they punt a seed out there and let you connect the dots how you want.

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This isn't really a GW seed so much as it is fan-fiction.

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