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So, assuming that the units we see in the pictures represent basic units (since these are supposed to be 'fast playing' rules), then that means a unit of Cavalry per side, 2 guns per side, and 4 infantry units per side. Although it seems as though the Union side has 5 units, and the Confederates 3.

I want to get my hands on those rules!

I do not need ACW... I do not need ACW... But it's such a great deal!

A WotR set would be an instant buy and is almost guaranteed to be their next one as the command sprue is about all that is needed. Heck, include another one of the foot knight command sprues and you've already got that sorted as it has the crown head.

This is seriously tempting the feth out of me.

An AWI version would be baller.

Looks like the general/commander sprue is indeed exclusive to the box.

They have said they will do more if the sales of this box are good.

War of the Roses is the obvious next choice as they have these kits already in plastic:
WR1 Plastic Wars of the Roses Infantry (bows and bills)
WR20 Plastic 'Mercenaries', European Infantry 1450-1500
WR40 Mounted Men at Arms 1450-1500
WR50 Foot Knights 1450-1500
WR60 Light Cavalry 1450-1500

And they could easily throw in
RPB 3 Medieval Cottage 1300-1700

 judgedoug wrote:
Looks like the general/commander sprue is indeed exclusive to the box.

They have said they will do more if the sales of this box are good.

War of the Roses is the obvious next choice as they have these kits already in plastic:
WR1 Plastic Wars of the Roses Infantry (bows and bills) WR20 Plastic 'Mercenaries', European Infantry 1450-1500 WR40 Mounted Men at Arms 1450-1500
WR50 Foot Knights 1450-1500
WR60 Light Cavalry 1450-1500

And they could easily throw in
RPB 3 Medieval Cottage 1300-1700

WotR, aka make your own Kingdoms of Men or Game of Thrones models.

I'd like to see them dip their toe in sci-fi at some point.

 agnosto wrote:
I'd like to see them dip their toe in sci-fi at some point.

If they made plastic not-Valhallans that paired well with their old pewter Valhallans, I'd buy a company of them. History's always been their passion though even at GW (as you can tell by their old metal IG), so I'd be surprised if we saw anything but historicals from them anytime soon.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
I'd like to see them dip their toe in sci-fi at some point.

If they made plastic not-Valhallans that paired well with their old pewter Valhallans, I'd buy a company of them. History's always been their passion though even at GW (as you can tell by their old metal IG), so I'd be surprised if we saw anything but historicals from them anytime soon.

I know but I can wish, right?

They make some awesome models at a very reasonable price, I'd love for them to branch out into something I'm interested in buying (even WWII Russians would get my money).

I may have remembered incorrectly but I'm sure I remember them saying that they had no intention of going that way.

If you think they have Mantic and of course GW just down the road (and Warlord as well now actually) sci-fi is becoming a pretty crowded market.

Both of the Perry's are really into their historical re-enactment/Sealed Knot type stuff, definitely think that historicals is where their hearts lie!

 judgedoug wrote:
Looks like the general/commander sprue is indeed exclusive to the box.

They have said they will do more if the sales of this box are good.

War of the Roses is the obvious next choice as they have these kits already in plastic:
WR1 Plastic Wars of the Roses Infantry (bows and bills)
WR20 Plastic 'Mercenaries', European Infantry 1450-1500
WR40 Mounted Men at Arms 1450-1500
WR50 Foot Knights 1450-1500
WR60 Light Cavalry 1450-1500

And they could easily throw in
RPB 3 Medieval Cottage 1300-1700

Agreed, that stuff is already out there so would be a short step.

 Pacific wrote:

If you think they have Mantic and of course GW just down the road (and Warlord as well now actually) sci-fi is becoming a pretty crowded market.

While it may be a crowded market, most other sculptors don't get the GW aesthetic down which is pretty important for me and a lot of other people who want to play 40k with alternate armies. Victoria Lamb comes closest. However, if Osprey branches out into the sci-fi space with a good army-scale ruleset, I'd love to see the Perrys make minis for it.

The Perry bros said they'd never do sci-fi or fantasy as one of their ranges as they have zero interest in it. Historicals are their passion.

That being said, Michael Perry did sculpt the character figs for Terminator - and those are, quite frankly, some of the best human miniatures to ever exist.

 judgedoug wrote:
The Perry bros said they'd never do sci-fi or fantasy as one of their ranges as they have zero interest in it. Historicals are their passion.

That being said, Michael Perry did sculpt the character figs for Terminator - and those are, quite frankly, some of the best human miniatures to ever exist.

Spoiler:

Yes, those are completely awesome. It's a shame they won't branch out; I didn't know they were adamant about their chosen genre.

 agnosto wrote:

Yes, those are completely awesome. It's a shame they won't branch out; I didn't know they were adamant about their chosen genre.

I'd figure a historical reenactor who had their arm blown off by a cannon misfire only to go back to sculpting historicals was pretty big on them

Ugh, that touches close to home for me. I used to do ACW reenacting and our unit had a few people messed up just before I joined, and a messy accident during my time. Knowing what exploding rifles could do, I was unwilling to get within 50 yards of cannon... my stomach still turns a little thinking about it.

Damned impressive to get back to sculpting after that, no less!


... come to think of it, most of my "oh man, it was so nasty what happened to that guy" type stories come from reenacting. That's a little surprising to realize considering the hobbies since.

At least with early medieval the worst that usually happens is you break a bone. Nothing explodes!

 endtransmission wrote:
I do not need ACW... I do not need ACW... But it's such a great deal!

This is where I'm at. I'd like to do ACW at some point, and the Perry stuff is amazing, but I'm still painting 120 ECW and my painting table can't handle any more pending projects.

The painting table may not be able to handle it, but the closet/shelf certainly can!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
They just replied to my comment -

Doug Craig - I heard Firepower was based on Kings of War, is that true?
Perry Miniatures - No, it just happens to be the same author.

[Cue sad trombone]

Well, maybe it will still be OK?

 Alpharius wrote:
[Cue sad trombone]

Well, maybe it will still be OK?

Perry's first ACW plastic release, their very first plastic box set, came with a 4-page set of fast-play rules. I believe these are the slightly-expanded slightly-revised fast-play ACW rules.
Free rules are kinda just the sprinkles on the already heavily iced delicious cake tho

Yeah, considering they never gave page count of the "rulebook", I figured it was a few pages of quick play style rules.

But in a pinch, you could use KoW. It might not be 100% historically accurate, but all the unit archetypes I can see there are represented. And it's easy enough to tweak if you don't think certain aspects fit.

There are probably dozens of different historical rulesets that you could use that are fit for purpose, alot of which are either very cheap/free and easily available.

Some recommendations
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=137984
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/516246/best-civil-war-miniatures-rule-set

List of games.
http://www.theminiaturespage.com/rules/acw/land.html


I don't know why you would want to try and shoehorn in a system that was intended for ranks of ancient/medievil-esque fantasy combat into ACW! By the time you have finished changing it into something that even remotely represented ACW combat you may as well have just picked up a different ruleset to begin with

Well, if you already know how to play KoW, and since it already includes rules for muskets and cannons, it's not much an effort to use KoW for ACW.

While reaserching new ACW games, free or not, would take lots of time to find a game that is good and fits your tastes.

Of course this could all be meaningless if the included rules are any good to begin with.

 Pacific wrote:
There are probably dozens of different historical rulesets that you could use that are fit for purpose, alot of which are either very cheap/free and easily available.

I don't know why you would want to try and shoehorn in a system that was intended for ranks of ancient/medievil-esque fantasy combat into ACW! By the time you have finished changing it into something that even remotely represented ACW combat you may as well have just picked up a different ruleset to begin with

Exalt. Kings of War is better than Warhammer and replaced it for a lot of GW army collections, but let's not make KoW the 'new Warhammer' - a flawed game with an obsessive following crowding out many other worthy rulesets - eh?

I understand Adam's concerns about researching rulesets: queries will produce a bald list of titles like that TMP thread (like most of that type of TMP thread), with few indications of the game's scale, complexity or mechanics, and whether they suit the OP's own tastes in wargames. Sometimes the websites for said games aren't much better, fitting hints and teases in among the sales patter. I've been having problems like this myself, recently. But I still think it's worthwhile. Just a little application of curiosity, maybe a little capital, and hopefully a helpful insight, can let you find a potential gem among the confusing masses.

It's gotta be better than the same basic ruleset for everything pre-1900 or involving orcs and dwarfs, right?

My club really like Regimental Fire and Fury for ACW. Basic turn sequence is Movement (Command roll and movement), Shooting (Defensive shooting and shooting) and Melee. Defensive shooting is where the other player gets to shoot you first when you run into range. Most interaction are solved with a single D10 dice roll with various modifiers. It also has scenario books which great if you're into re-fighting specific battles.

I personally enjoy most of it except for the single dice roll as it make a poor throw feel way worse than a poor throw with lots of dice and a few success.

Well, considering the Historicals supplement is coming for Kings of War, we _may_ have black powder era KoW rules, if "Historicals" covers that period (and not just Ancients to Medieval)

But... It should be Ga Pa though, that's the best black powder era ruleset.

Yeah, do we know anything about the periods the KoW Historical book is going to cover? Because "historical" could mean basically anything. Spartans? Medieval? Samurai? American Civil War? World War II?

Going by the Uncharted Empires Beta for Kings of War it seems likely that Pirates are going to be one of the lists. (Long John Silver and Pieces of Eight are mentioned....)

The Auld Grump - Twelve and a half percent!

Black Powder rules should work well for this also.

Box is up for preorder!
Perry Homepage.