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If you don't like the new high power formations / detachments that GW likes to produce is 30k an option ?
Or are they in there as well.

No formations in HH.

There are Rites of War which are sorta like formations, but not really. Rather than just a list of units that give you something, Rites of War put significant restrictions on what you can bring, in return for giving you somehing.

Nope, just a standard Combined Arms Force Org chart. However, there are variant Force Org charts, but those are applicable to certain missions (Strategic Raid for Zone Mortalis for example), or by prior agreement (Leviathan or Onslaught Force Orgs).

Otherwise, its like 40k before the ridiculous detachments, unbound and the rest of that bunch.

Strength : D is toned down and Lords of War are limited to 2000 points and over as well as only being able to take a maxmium of 25% of your points...

Actually. HH doesn't have a CAD. it has its own Detachment with an extra HQ and elite slot. (and no detachment benefits, as it was written for 6th)

 zedmeister wrote:

Strength : D is toned down and Lords of War are limited to 2000 points and over as well as only being able to take a maxmium of 25% of your points...

Actually, Strength D is the exact same. There is an optional rule to use a different version of it, but I would argue that the optional version is generally nastier much of the time.

Anyway, no, no formations in 30K. Rites of War are the closest thing, but not really comparable. For example, one of the generic RoW is Orbital Assault. It allows units to take a drop pod as a dedicated transport, but your entire army must be capable of entering the game by deep strike. The various legions get a RoW that is tailored to their playstyle.

 jasper76 wrote:
Rather than just a list of units that give you something, Rites of War put significant restrictions on what you can bring, in return for giving you somehing.

Exactly. Where 40k formations just give you powerful bonuses with no drawbacks (besides taking certain units that you're probably fine with taking anyway) 30k alternate FOCs/rites of war/etc are true variant strategies, not just more powerful versions of the "normal" stuff. They give you benefits but you pay for those benefits, and you actually have to think carefully about whether or not you want to make that trade.

Also, one other key difference is that 30k "formation" equivalents always modify a single primary detachment. You might get to shift some FOC slots around or whatever, but you're still limited to a primary detachment and an optional allied detachment. There's none of the 40k-style idiocy where you can take 2-3 Tyranid units with your C:SM army, or play unbound in all but name with a bunch of copies of the most powerful formation.

By the emperor or possible gork let this be a fake :/

It is unless there's something else floating around with it.

The use of the word "Chapter" rather than "Legion", the use of a piece of artwork, not pictures of models, the typos mastercrafted and Boltweapons, and the errors in the list of units (there is no such thing - at the moment - as a 'Legion Squad'.

GW are sloppy sometimes, but not this sloppy.


More importantly, Age of Darkness games doesn't give you a 'slot' to put formations into. You get a force organisation chart - one primary detachment, one allied detachment and one fortification detachment, plus one lord of war at 2000pts plus, and an explicit prohibition on anything else unless taking an agreed variant FOC.

Rites of War do things 'old style' by moving stuff around the FOC, from elites to troops, or from heavy support to dedicated transports, rather than changing the number of 'slots' you have.

And yes, most Rites of War have at least one noticeable downside.

 oldzoggy wrote:
By the emperor or possible gork let this be a fake :/

Spoiler:

Games Workshop, you couldn't let 30k have it's own thing, you just had to intervene.

Sincerely hope it's fake. I was moving into 30k as it's more balanced that 40k and finally got a group of friends into it. If this is real, then forget that.

You shouldn't link pictures like that. I almost got a heart attack.

HH seems to be more balanced than 40k.
Marines vs. Marines gives you a very smooth overall game.

 oldzoggy wrote:

Spoiler:

By the emperor or possible gork let this be a fake :/

That's fake as hell.
Look at the edges of the image... On the top it has a border... Then it keeps appearing and disappearing.

In another thread they picked apart everything wrong with that picture. Everything from non-British spellings, typos, and the use of "Chapter" instead of Legion in the "restrictions" section.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:

Spoiler:

By the emperor or possible gork let this be a fake :/

That's fake as hell.
Look at the edges of the image... On the top it has a border... Then it keeps appearing and disappearing.

Because its a photo of a book page. Its not just a scan. The photo doesn't have the entire page in frame

That is fake no question.

How could you NOT see that it's fake?

"Organisation charts (as well as formations and detachments) from the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook and other game expansions, as well as Unbound armies, are not designed with the Age of Darkness missions in mind and should not be used in Battles in the Age of Darkness games, unless by the mutual prior consent of all the parties involved." - from 'Designer's Note' box in the Mechanicum red book page 17

Yeah that picture is fake
the 4 word in the fluff description is spelt wrong, several american spellings,'chapter' is listed instead of legion,MK7 power armour in the picture (wasnt around in the heresy)

plus with the BaC box, GW made the text and background identical the FWs HH series, whereas this looks like its in the SM codex

If this was real... WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS? ITS WORSE THAN EVERY RoW!!

It is real because of two things. Unless money is involved people are lazy and stupid. And two you are getting the AOS treatment. Prepare for horus to be a alien and the emperor a dog or something.

OgreChubbs wrote:
It is real because of two things. Unless money is involved people are lazy and stupid. And two you are getting the AOS treatment. Prepare for horus to be a alien and the emperor a dog or something.

You probably only did a quick read of it

read it in detail and see the mistakes

commander dante wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
It is real because of two things. Unless money is involved people are lazy and stupid. And two you are getting the AOS treatment. Prepare for horus to be a alien and the emperor a dog or something.

You probably only did a quick read of it

read it in detail and see the mistakes

I read through and see mistakes but I also read some codex's with huge mistakes like the old black templar novel. Where they kept switching the two names of the astres and the scouts. Initates and something else.

But like I said I just do not see anyone taking that much time and effor to make it then print it out then take a photo of it from looks like a phone due to no auto focus. I just do not se anyone doing that much work when it is hard enough to get people to do that much work for a paycheck. Then they do not even advertise it to see the troll attempt everywhere. Just made it then placed it somewhere, never to know if people believed it or even found it. Thats like letting your kids go off into the wolrd and never checking in on them.

30k is balanced because its basically all marines. My friend plays admech amongst 8 other marine players about 2 states away and he tells me they always bitch about his army.

In other words, add anything interesting, like say xenos armies, or any variety, and it falls apart too.

Armory instead of Armoury. Fake as gak. GW would never use US English.

 Orock wrote:
30k is balanced because its basically all marines. My friend plays admech amongst 8 other marine players about 2 states away and he tells me they always bitch about his army.

In other words, add anything interesting, like say xenos armies, or any variety, and it falls apart too.

Except for Mechanicum, Solar Auxilia, Chaos Demons, Militias & Cults, and Imperial Knights, yeah, it's "all marines".

30K is more balanced because Forgeworld actually cares about what they do.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Orock wrote:
30k is balanced because its basically all marines. My friend plays admech amongst 8 other marine players about 2 states away and he tells me they always bitch about his army.

In other words, add anything interesting, like say xenos armies, or any variety, and it falls apart too.

Except for Mechanicum, Solar Auxilia, Chaos Demons, Militias & Cults, and Imperial Knights, yeah, it's "all marines".

30K is more balanced because Forgeworld actually cares about what they do.

Rumours have it that Forgeworld is planning on buffing the underpowered legions up to the level of the other legions in an upcoming update to ensure balance.

It's weird. It is almost like actually caring about game balance makes a better game. Who would have thought of that?

They are, mentioned durin the last open day, going to do some buffing/ knocking down points on some of the unique Legion units from book one, not the actual Legion RoW or specific Legion traits.

I hope to see cheaper point World Eaters Rampagers and Red Butchers.