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 Avatar 720 wrote:
anything available now will likely be outclassed by whatever I find a few hours into the DLC

Transmogrification?

Already managed to track down pretty much all I want for transmogs, which wasn't much.


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Well, I was bored tonight so decided to give it a go. DH is okay, but since it wasn't built to be capped at 100 I'm sure it'll feel better when Legion actually drops. Currently I have a hell of a lot of random downtime as Havoc. Feels a bit like playing a Fury warrior if anything, except I would prefer a Fury warrior.

Havoc DH has a single quasi-heal right now, which are small shards that have a low chance of appearing after killing an enemy. Pretty much means that currently, you'd best hope you can kill whatever you're up against, because unless you have pots you're smegged. On the Beta, it looks like they get 100% Leech on a 5min CD ability as a late tier talent. Their self-sustainability is low. Even during the Legion invasion events I found myself constantly having to walk away from the fight because I had no way of healing. In groups this shouldn't be a problem with a dedicated healer. Solo PvE might be more difficult unless you can end fights quickly, and definitely limits their ability to quickly hop from mob to mob.

One huge change I noticed immediately and absolute loathe: Blizzard removed the option to 'reverse clean up'--also known as the correct way--bags. ... Why? That seems like such an arbitrary thing to remove. It helps literally nobody, and hinders everyone who used it. Toggling reverse clean up, hiding helmet, showing cloak, switching on auto-loot, and turning on both bottom action bars were the first things I did on every new character, and now one's been removed because reasons, and another two have been moved to transmog vendors because reasons...

Honestly, there's not much to do on your first day as a DH. Recently-made DH characters aren't allowed in legacy content to farm gold or transmogs--whichever you prefer--for a period of time--the game said 'try again tomorrow' to me, so maybe 24 hours? I suppose you're just meant to immediately jump into HCs and LFR.

Demon Hunter only has one third of their talent tree, whereas the other classes have almost all of it. That is why they feel bare bones. With that said, few specs are very complex right now (with notable exceptions like survival hunter).

 Avatar 720 wrote:
One huge change I noticed immediately and absolute loathe: Blizzard removed the option to 'reverse clean up'--also known as the correct way--bags. ... Why? That seems like such an arbitrary thing to remove. It helps literally nobody, and hinders everyone who used it. Toggling reverse clean up, hiding helmet, showing cloak, switching on auto-loot, and turning on both bottom action bars were the first things I did on every new character, and now one's been removed because reasons, and another two have been moved to transmog vendors because reasons...

https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/advancedinterfaceoptions

This is your friend.

I did say that DHs will be better when Legion drops, however the self-suffiency issues seem to also exist in the Beta from what I've read.

As for Curse, yeah, there are add-ons for everything, but there shouldn't need to be one for stuff like reverse bag clean-up. It already existed for years, then was removed for ??? reason. As far as I'm concerned, I'm not happy that I have to use an add-on to retain basic functionality.

Already got the plate transmogs, leather transmogs and pet.

Going to go get the troll shoes and toys on my horde alt.

Get the last two transmog sets, try to kill a dread lord or two for the toy, get some warglaives for my daemon Hunter alt, run around and kill demons in my Scarlet Crusade paladin transmog until legion.

Tried out Vengeance spec instead of Havoc, and enjoying DH a lot more now I can actually handle situations instead of trying to win fights through attrition. Not tried Havoc in dungeons yet, but Vengeance already does perfectly good damage for a tanking spec. and doesn't have any of the arbitrary downtime or sustainability issues that Havoc does.

Have had one argument in a dungeon group with another Veng. DH because he wanted me to switch specs and did the whole "fine, you tank then" speech when I said no. Usually that's valid, but here we were simply doing so much damage so quickly that 'tanking' was holding aggro for a few seconds until the mob died. I wasn't dying. He wasn't dying. Healer wasn't struggling... I've no idea why he decided to throw a hissy fit. The dungeon went no quicker or slower after he went Havoc in protest.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
Tried out Vengeance spec instead of Havoc, and enjoying DH a lot more now I can actually handle situations instead of trying to win fights through attrition. Not tried Havoc in dungeons yet, but Vengeance already does perfectly good damage for a tanking spec. and doesn't have any of the arbitrary downtime or sustainability issues that Havoc does.

Have had one argument in a dungeon group with another Veng. DH because he wanted me to switch specs and did the whole "fine, you tank then" speech when I said no. Usually that's valid, but here we were simply doing so much damage so quickly that 'tanking' was holding aggro for a few seconds until the mob died. I wasn't dying. He wasn't dying. Healer wasn't struggling... I've no idea why he decided to throw a hissy fit. The dungeon went no quicker or slower after he went Havoc in protest.

Yeah, I rerolled my Prot warrior into Fury and made a Vengeance DH, and so far it's so much more enjoyable to tank with it than it is the dps. I agree with the downtime. The dps spec has like, 3 abilities that you need to use to do dps? Maybe 4 if it's an aoe fight? And I thought my Destro lock was straight-forward.

As someone who often tanks, having someone else pull aggro can give you lots of issues (most threat plates do not show if a mob is attacking your fellow tank or your healer, for example, forcing you to spend valuable seconds to go and check) and it can also mess with positioning the enemies correctly.

Sure, if it works it works, but the other tank can't know beforehand just how much of an issue it will end up being.

Generally speaking, if someone is queuing as DPS, I expect them to be a DPS spec. If you adamantly refuse, I suppose I could just go DPS myself, but it is still common courtesy to do the job you signed up for.

Like I said, usually it's an issue, but this time it wasn't any sort of issue whatsoever; it was being unnecessarily picky.

In a Raid or difficult HC? Sure. In a normal draenor dungeon where no mob pack lasts longer than a matter of seconds? No. There were no issues whatsoever. All he did was slow us down for no reason.

EDIT: It's like the early game dungeons with groups of full heirlooms. There's no point having a tank because nothing lasts long enough to become a problem. Queuing as a tank there is just free dungeons.

So, at first I didn't care about Artifact weapons, but the more I look at them, I'm super hyped for them. Anyone else?

I am loving Legion so far. Though invasions do kind of feel they were balanced just to arbitrarily drive up your repair bill.

I've geared up my:
Mage (crafted staff, but has a sword levelled to 3, but no off hands short of dropping a pile of money on the AH),
rogue (though it could use another dagger),
Hunter (even has a 6/6 weapon...),
DH (pair of 6/6 weapons),
Horde Paladin (5/6, will probably full ocd that to 6/6 in the morning),

My DK is partially geared, just needing weapons and a chest piece. even one weapon would be nice, since it hasn't done the broken shore quest yet due to dat teleport.

My Warrior has full empowered baleful and a pair of 715 crafted weapons, so the urge to get it fully upgraded isn't there. Maybe I need to get it a ring or a trinket, but with the Mythic dungeon Heirlooms I don't believe it needs anything.

And my Mythic/heroic main character doesn't need Jack from invasions.

Guess all that's left after my DK is to grind Alts to 100, eh?

Got to admit, getting kind of sick of invasions...

 Crazyterran wrote:
I've geared up my:
Mage (crafted staff, but has a sword levelled to 3, but no off hands short of dropping a pile of money on the AH),
rogue (though it could use another dagger),
Hunter (even has a 6/6 weapon...),
DH (pair of 6/6 weapons),
Horde Paladin (5/6, will probably full ocd that to 6/6 in the morning),

My DK is partially geared, just needing weapons and a chest piece. even one weapon would be nice, since it hasn't done the broken shore quest yet due to dat teleport.

My Warrior has full empowered baleful and a pair of 715 crafted weapons, so the urge to get it fully upgraded isn't there. Maybe I need to get it a ring or a trinket, but with the Mythic dungeon Heirlooms I don't believe it needs anything.

And my Mythic/heroic main character doesn't need Jack from invasions.

Guess all that's left after my DK is to grind Alts to 100, eh?

Got to admit, getting kind of sick of invasions...

Yeah, I don't even play alts that much, but decided to gear them all up. I only need a piece or two on each character, and my DH is good to go, minus still needing to max his weapons. My lock is just sitting here like "I have 3 of the pets and everything else. Why am I doing this again?"

I've not done many invasions after the first day on my DH, largely because they're incredibly repetitive. Go to invasion site>repel invaders>kill boss>fly from lieutenant to lieutenant until 100%>kill final boss>go to next invasion site and repeat.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
I've not done many invasions after the first day on my DH, largely because they're incredibly repetitive. Go to invasion site>repel invaders>kill boss>fly from lieutenant to lieutenant until 100%>kill final boss>go to next invasion site and repeat.

Yeah, they were cool to experience, but I'm kinda done now. lol

Despite myself, I am interested in the new expansion. It's the only one I can say I've really been interested in, fluff-wise, since wrath of the lich king. I played MOP and WOD, and I actually liked the single player fluff quests in WOD, which is honestly why I'm coming back. And hell, at this point it's tradition.

Question - is there much to do right now? I know the expansion drops on the 30th, and the demon hunter was playable on the 9th, but I'm not sure what sort of new stuff, if any, is currently underweigh. Maybe invasions? Are they neat? I remember the zombie plague pre-WotLK and that was pretty cute. is this similar?

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Despite myself, I am interested in the new expansion. It's the only one I can say I've really been interested in, fluff-wise, since wrath of the lich king. I played MOP and WOD, and I actually liked the single player fluff quests in WOD, which is honestly why I'm coming back. And hell, at this point it's tradition.

Question - is there much to do right now? I know the expansion drops on the 30th, and the demon hunter was playable on the 9th, but I'm not sure what sort of new stuff, if any, is currently underweigh. Maybe invasions? Are they neat? I remember the zombie plague pre-WotLK and that was pretty cute. is this similar?

Well, considering I stopped playing probably a year ago during WoD, and just came back about a month ago, there's plenty for me to do. I'm setting goals of stuff to get done in Draenor, on top of the invasions and such. The DH starting questline is definitely worth it, in my opinion. The invasions, though, are a tad disappointing. No title, no mount, just a pet and some transmogs, and gear for your characters that will be obsolete when we start questing again.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
I've not done many invasions after the first day on my DH, largely because they're incredibly repetitive. Go to invasion site>repel invaders>kill boss>fly from lieutenant to lieutenant until 100%>kill final boss>go to next invasion site and repeat.

Yeah, they were cool to experience, but I'm kinda done now. lol

I just use them to level up characters. They are essentially free exp.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
I've not done many invasions after the first day on my DH, largely because they're incredibly repetitive. Go to invasion site>repel invaders>kill boss>fly from lieutenant to lieutenant until 100%>kill final boss>go to next invasion site and repeat.

Yeah, they were cool to experience, but I'm kinda done now. lol

I just use them to level up characters. They are essentially free exp.

Interesting. I may need to level a few alts.

I think Blizzard increased the exp you get from them, now, as many people were complaining that they weren't getting enough.

Whether or not I agree with that decision is a separate matter entirely.

They increased it, but decreased it again (and increased invasion frequency).

It is no longer as fast as it was.

Just found out that 7.1 will introduce Karazhan as a 5-man, 9-boss, BRD-style instance...

*sigh*

Here's my money, Blizzard. Don't feth it up.

I never understood what was so good about Karazhan. It has aged really badly. Compared to things like the Throne of Thunder, it just seems overrated.

As long as they're keeping the old raid, I'm fine with it. Actually excited about it a bit.

Though, I guess if they got rid of the raid, it wouldn't affect me. I just had the mount finally drop 2 weeks ago.

Avatar 720 wrote:I think Blizzard increased the exp you get from them, now, as many people were complaining that they weren't getting enough.

Whether or not I agree with that decision is a separate matter entirely.

I did an invasion on a 94 DK with 50% bonus from Heirlooms, rested, and the garrison 20% pot. I got something like 20k, 15k, 20k, 40k? It was only about 1/6 of a level...I had heard of people getting 40% of a level. Then I looked at my quest log and quests were listed as around 9-11k XP per...something seems off.

Avatar 720 wrote:Just found out that 7.1 will introduce Karazhan as a 5-man, 9-boss, BRD-style instance...

*sigh*

Here's my money, Blizzard. Don't feth it up.

That could be really good or bad.

Ashiraya wrote:I never understood what was so good about Karazhan. It has aged really badly. Compared to things like the Throne of Thunder, it just seems overrated.

Not a single raid in MoP impressed me other than SoO. Karazhan may be lacking in mechanics, but the atmosphere, just like that of BRD is amazing. I have no problem spending a few hours in either. Aside from Ulduar, ICC, Karazhan, Zul'Aman, and the original Zul'gurub there's no raid I really care much about. IMO, they've gone downhill each expansion since Wrath in terms of atmosphere and enjoyment. Sure, the loot is getting more interesting (coolest classic trinket 2% increased chance to get a bonus attack...or maybe that ZG rogue trinket...to the ICC25 transformation trinket...to the various amazing cleave trinkets from Cataclysm onward...to the awesome trinkets of HFC.)

You have to be hitting the adds, especially anyone with a name. They give a metric crudton of experience.

 trexmeyer wrote:


Not a single raid in MoP impressed me other than SoO. Karazhan may be lacking in mechanics, but the atmosphere, just like that of BRD is amazing. I have no problem spending a few hours in either. Aside from Ulduar, ICC, Karazhan, Zul'Aman, and the original Zul'gurub there's no raid I really care much about. IMO, they've gone downhill each expansion since Wrath in terms of atmosphere and enjoyment. Sure, the loot is getting more interesting (coolest classic trinket 2% increased chance to get a bonus attack...or maybe that ZG rogue trinket...to the ICC25 transformation trinket...to the various amazing cleave trinkets from Cataclysm onward...to the awesome trinkets of HFC.)

Yeah, I have to somewhat agree. My memories of screwing around in Karazhan, Naxxramas, Malygos, and Ulduar were fantastic. Then Cata came and I lost interest in raiding (though, half of that was because my guild fell apart). Took a break, then came back towards the end of MoP, and didn't get the same enjoyment out of the raids. SoO had a cool atmosphere, but it was still...meh.

Trying to level a Warrior with the Invasions, but I keep on dying the last one to five seconds before the bosses die, causing me to get hardly any XP.

I'm genuinely getting very, very angry.

I have found that trying to tank them, even at level 100 with ~725 item level, is not a great idea.

Few people are paying attention and healing you, and you really need that healing when many bosses can melee about 300k on tank plate.

So, I tried posting this on Reddit, but then quickly remembered why I don't post on Reddit. But I'm curious. Any other Mount collectors out there disappointed in the amount of mounts available in Legion?