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I don't see how it is worse than WoD?

 Ashiraya wrote:
I don't see how it is worse than WoD?

Well, as an avid mount collector, Draenor had rare spawns, 8 mounts you can get from garrisons, mounts from each faction (though they were extremely grindy), and then they added more in later patches that you could just buy from vendors.

Legion has a similar number of skins (Hippogryph, fox, rat, ext), but the amount of them that will actually be available is very slim. The reputations don't give out mounts, and the new drakes/Coursers are PvP exclusives. It just doesn't seem there will be a large number of mounts to obtain (since I'm trying for a large number, not different "models").

In that sense, sure. I am myself not very pleased with how many WoD mounts were just another reskinned wolf.

 Ashiraya wrote:
In that sense, sure. I am myself not very pleased with how many WoD mounts were just another reskinned wolf.

And I agree. The only factor that made me somewhat okay with it was that there were a decent number so I could at least progress my total mount count.

Welp, I finally resubbed (figured I should get some time out of my pre-order after all) and made myself a Demon Hunter - the dps spec is fun, although I imagine it'll really pick up at higher levels.

Still not sure why they felt it necessary to nuke my Prot-Pally into the dirt. Pretty much removed any kind of class-specific traits in favor of some dumbed-down spamfest of a play style. I don't really like it, but I won't abandon him to the mothballs.

Got a few other characters I want to try out, see if anything's really changed - but overall I suppose the expansion is OK.

A good few specs I use have had rotations either sorted out or simplified since last I used them. Frost DK is more straightforward than I remember it being--even then it was rather simple; Fury Warrior now makes sense and is less reliant on RNG; Ret Paladin is pretty basic, too--under level 80, you judgement on CD, pop a Crusader Strike and that other Power-generating move, Templars Verdict if 1-2 mobs and Divine Storm if 3+, rinse repeat. When you get Mastery, you generate Holy Power until you're maxed, Judgement, Verdict/Storm, hit Crusader Strike and that other move--unless you got the Crusader Strike proc that makes the next power-using move use 1 fewer power, then just use the 2-charge generator--Verdict/Storm again, then repeat from the start.

It's easier to play, but it feels like there's something missing.

Try swapping to Unholy. Frost is far too simple now.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Try swapping to Unholy. Frost is far too simple now.

Yeah, Unholy is...a pain, honestly. I don't play DK often (or, ever, really) but I tried out Unholy on my boosted DK and it's just not fun to play, personally. Then again, this is someone who has played Desto lock and only Destro lock since BC.


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But, Legion is coming out tonight. Is everyone ready? I still have a few old raids to run on some characters, and still gotta clean out bag/bank space. Otherwise I'm ready to go. I even took tomorrow off of work.

I'll be giving it a few days to avoid the inevitable server and latency issues that will no doubt make trying to play in day 1 or 2 an absolute pain, as usual.

I shall be dipping into Legion as often as possible after release, unfortunately emergency service work isn't very accommodating for regular gaming. All the same would be cool to link up with some Dakka members on the EU servers!

 krodarklorr wrote:
Yeah, Unholy is...a pain, honestly. I don't play DK often (or, ever, really) but I tried out Unholy on my boosted DK and it's just not fun to play, personally. Then again, this is someone who has played Desto lock and only Destro lock since BC.

I mean, Unholy is not at its best (like many other things, Unholy was at its finest during 5.2 - RIP Festerblight) but it is certainly not bad and it is not as mind numbingly dumb as Frost.

Despite the ease of rotation, I'm having some fun with a Retribution paladin, though I'm not sure if that's because it is genuinely fun, or if having played Retribution since TBC up to about MoP/WoD has just dramatically lowered my expectations.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
I'll be giving it a few days to avoid the inevitable server and latency issues that will no doubt make trying to play in day 1 or 2 an absolute pain, as usual.

I don't see it being too much of an issue. I was on for the Draenor launch and it was laggy a bit, sure, but I was able to accomplish quite a bit.

The fact that the starting quests will bring you to your class hall and you can choose where to quest should alleviate everyone being clustered in one area.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
Despite the ease of rotation, I'm having some fun with a Retribution paladin, though I'm not sure if that's because it is genuinely fun, or if having played Retribution since TBC up to about MoP/WoD has just dramatically lowered my expectations.

Y'know, as much as I liked running around stacking my attacks for the inevitable alpha strike in Vanilla, I really liked the quality of life improvements that TBC brought to the Paladin's spec's. Ret and Prot were terrible pre-TBC and Holy was the only spec worth taking - you were ignored otherwise.

I was annoyed initially at the implementation of Holy Power in Wrath...but I grew to appreciate it. It was a resource you had to monitor (the only one really as mana became a non-issue), which required you to pay attention in order to your rotation. Now it's back to TBC where you can just spam to your hearts content, something that I feel, after having played WITH holy power, detracts from the game.

Also, I might also avoid the launch night...I've got the evening off now, so I might try for the insanity...but then again, I really don't want to fight with a queue.

I wasn't really talking about how Retribution as a spec played so much as how much I had playing it in general. It handled well enough, but Blizzard could never seem to balance it properly, and it usually just ended up on the gak pile. There were many times where being Retri was like turning up to school on the first day with ginger hair, spots, thick glasses, huge braces, and a weak bladder; you were practically laughed at. Nobody wanted them for raids--progress content or casual--and 5-mans were more 4 and a half-mans.

Sure, there was that one patch in WotLK where they were beasts, but enough DKs and Mages moaned about them on the forums that they were nerfed into complete uselessness. Again.

They had decent mechanics, but they weren't fun to play simply because nobody wanted to play with you. I switched my main to Warrior in the end purely because, as a Ret paladin, I was thoroughly ignored for all raid content; and this was before the days of the integrated raid finder, so I couldn't just stack item level and go for it anyway.

I got bored pretty quickly and quit, only joining back up around the arse-end of Pandaland with a new account, then stopping and joining again around mid-WoD, so didn't revisit Paladins for a good while.

Joined Reddit just to ask this question of the community but the post isn't showing up (I guess I have to get upranked or something before I can post new topics?). Anyway, anyone got any ideas about the following:

Hi all, not new to WoW but new to Reddit so apologies if this is in the wrong section or just plain wrong. Having some issues with TidyPlates and I was hoping someone has come across the same issues as me - Google reveals very little.
Anyway, I like the idea of Tidyplates to replace all the default Blizzard names but I want it to mimic exactly what the default ones do - so for example, I have it set so that only Quest NPCs (and other useful NPCs like Flight Master, Repair guys etc) have nameplates, everything else is hidden. However, when I turn on Tidyplates, it gives everything a nameplate with no option I can find to filter it (there is a filter to filter 'mini-mobs' that turns some off but not all). So the screen ends up cluttered with nameplates. Found the same sort of thing with KUInameplates. Does anyone know if it is at all possible to configure it like the way I want? Or am I stuck with a halfway house approach of having Tidyplates handle enemy NPC nameplates and using the default nameplates for everything else?

I've tried out druid, rogue, warlock, DK, DH and hunter, there's a couple of reasonable specs. The only thing I've really enjoyed is demo lock, it's a shame that the other specs are so poor (I was honestly stunned at how boring/clunky destro is..)

I've started playing again and I rolled a Discipline priest on my buddy's server.

So far I've found it to be good enough for questing and interesting for healing groups. There aren't a lot of flat out healing spells to use so you're forced to do damage to heal, which can be kind of clunky.

Overall, I'm really enjoying this expansion!

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
There aren't a lot of flat out healing spells to use so you're forced to do damage to heal, which can be kind of clunky.

Yep, that is Discipline's new job. Heal by doing damage.


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I could say that this expansion is excellent, but I think that would be underestimating it. I do not think anything in a game has drawn me to literal tears before, not even Mass Effect.

 Frankenberry wrote:
Ret and Prot were terrible pre-TBC and Holy was the only spec worth taking - you were ignored otherwise.

This, unfortunately, was by design. Late in Vanilla, one of the blue names admitted on the official forums that Blizzard saw Vanilla paladins exclusively as healers. The tank build was apparently thrown in there simply because players expected it. But Blizzard didn't want paladins tanking. Presumably Ret was treated similarly.


Funny thing was, at one point early in Vanilla, I actually figured out a decent Prot Paladin build. I posted it over at EQ Paladins (which I used to frequent), and got some compliments on the talent build.

In a patch not long after, Blizzard completely redid the paladin talent trees, destroying my build. The changes to how the talents were organized on the trees were so dramatic that I couldn't even get a somewhat similar build put together.
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 Ashiraya wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
Yeah, Unholy is...a pain, honestly. I don't play DK often (or, ever, really) but I tried out Unholy on my boosted DK and it's just not fun to play, personally. Then again, this is someone who has played Desto lock and only Destro lock since BC.

I mean, Unholy is not at its best (like many other things, Unholy was at its finest during 5.2 - RIP Festerblight) but it is certainly not bad and it is not as mind numbingly dumb as Frost.

Unholy is actually really good right now. It's probably up there as the top melee spec (I've heard Feral and Focus Rage Arms are in the mix as well.)

So I resubbed to try out Legion. None of my characters are ready, the highest I had was an 85 death knight, so I made a demon hunter like everyone else. Liking it so far.. except for how I'm not allowed to fly in the new zones, which is stupidly stupid.

I thought it was because I had to buy the super expensive flying skill, so bought that and all it did was let me fly fast in the old zones.. which is nice, but I wanna fly in the new zones, so I just wasted a ton of cash.

Overall though the demon hunter has been fun to play, I've been powering through lots of quests and I'm up to level 105 now. I went with DPS because I don't know how to tank, never could .. and I suck at healing too, so I'm always dps all the way all the time.

Flying in the new zones has been hidden behind an achievement since WoD. I'm not bothered by that alone, but the effort you need to go through to get it is incredibly off-putting as a rather casual player. I'd rather they locked it behind something like completing all the storylines for all the areas as both an Alliance and Horde character--something that actually shows Blizzard's intention of forcing you to experience content before you skip to flying from point A to B every time.

Currently, all it is is a grind, largely because you need to hit Revered with a handful of new factions--6 in Legion compared to 3 in Draenor, although you can start the rep grind with 4 of the Legion factions as soon as you're level 100, whereas in Draenor the 3 factions were all in the max-level Tanaan Jungle zone.

If it's a rep grind then I'll happily stick to my horse. I'd have no problem if it was a soloable quest grind, even if I had to do it on a horde alt too, but I'm not into farming for anything. Once I get to the point where I have to start farming for stuff, I usually switch to leveling some alts, then give up and cancel a week later till the next expansion comes out.

Yeah, none of the characters I've levelled through Draenor have used flight. I find the questlines themselves take you more or less along the right paths, and there are plenty of FPs. Flight is primarily just a bit of a timesaver and useful for farming resources; the grind is far from worth it, in my opinion.

Honestly, the whistle is almost as good as flying. Maybe not for gathering professions, but for everything else...

Trying to figure out what the first prestige reward is before I get there, and if it would be worth it for me to continue all the way to 4/50 or if I should just stop at 1/50 for the skin. It's not like I have to do bgs to level it up, and getting 1400 (or more, if you go back around every two hours!) a day from the 3 towers and arena world quest is plenty for about 30-40m work, less if you bring a few friends a long.

I kind of like not flying, to an extent. Makes me feel like I'm actually playing the game, and having to explore.

Though, I wish I could skip a lot of useless mobs.

Not flying definitely adds a lot to the exploration factor. I am content.

It's fine for the first character or so, which is why I'm alright with Blizzard hiding it to some extent, but after that nothing new is gained, and you'll likely only find new stuff if you go looking for it. It just becomes another chore of levelling.

The various rep grinds just mean you're stuck playing the same max-level character day in-day out if you want flying for your others; there's no incentive to actually explore anything. I could do it solely on a Horde character and have no experience of the Alliance side of things at all, for example. That's an entire half an expansion's worth of 'experience and exploration' that I don't actually have to do in order to get the reward for 'experiencing and exploring'.

It's a nice enough idea that's just been buried under yet another grindfest instead of something that actually justifies its existence.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
It's fine for the first character or so, which is why I'm alright with Blizzard hiding it to some extent, but after that nothing new is gained, and you'll likely only find new stuff if you go looking for it. It just becomes another chore of levelling.

Except the non-linear leveling path is still there. You will be 110 long before you have done all main quests, and when dungeons, treasures, bonus objectives and side quests are added into the mix, it is certainly not over after the first character. I am leveling a second Death Knight now, having just hit 105, and I am not bored; I also found plenty of rare creatures and treasures I completely overlooked on my first go.

The various rep grinds just mean you're stuck playing the same max-level character day in-day out if you want flying for your others; there's no incentive to actually explore anything.

Flying is not actually in the game yet. It will be added in a future patch, but you will have plenty of time to get your reputations to the required levels until then. There is absolutely no reason to rush for flying now.

I could do it solely on a Horde character and have no experience of the Alliance side of things at all, for example.

The differences between the factions are minor; it's only really parts of Stormheim. The difference between classes is much bigger.

It's a nice enough idea that's just been buried under yet another grindfest instead of something that actually justifies its existence.

...But the reputations are not a grind. You can't just keep killing mobs forever until you get what you need, there aren't any mobs that just give reputation. Most of it is tied to daily quests and dungeon bosses, which are done fairly quickly, and especially the former is completely different every day.

Flying makes the world a lot smaller and essentially removes all sense of danger from your environments, in addition to nullifying pretty much all obstacles. There has barely been a [i]week{I] since expansion launch.