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**trexmeyer**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'm getting the distinct sense that the answer to my question is no...

It depends on the class and how much you want to maximize your DPS/HPS/Tanking/etc

Arms is basically limited to 3 builds. The standard FR build built around pouring rage into massive Mortal Strikes. Mortal Combo+Overpower build with some variety in later talents, but this does less DPS. Then there is the cleave+Mortal Combo build that is useful for multi target situations, but awful for single target.

Outlaw Rogue's first tier talents are pretty much equal at 850ish+ gear levels, so that just comes down to play style preference. Later talents are just better or worse for AoE, but Outlaw is already so good at AoE that there is no reason to talent for it.

Assassin Rogue has three different builds. MP+Agonizing Poison is top for ST, useless for AoE. Building around poisons or bleeds is dependent on your Mastery levels. I think they're about equal all around.

**ScootyPuffJunior**

trexmeyer wrote:
There are "bad" choices. Moreso for certain specs. Arms for example needs to pickup Shattered Defenses ASAP and then Corrupted Blood of I can't spell that name, and in certain way or you're gimping yourself severely until a respec or you fill up your tree. I'm sure someone is is at or near the filler trait, but I really doubt most people are even at 25+ traits already.

Right, there are better choices than others but you're going to get them all eventually so you're not limited in what you choose, unlike talents, which was the initial comparison.

If anything, the artifact system is just a reworked Path of the Titans system from Cataclysm that was abandoned.

**Necros**

Managed to get exalted with surumar last night, now I just have to finish that questline and I'll be able to get Pathfinder part one. Or do you have to do raids to finish the zone? I really hope not.

I'm betting part 2 is gonna be to have exalted with everyone. Along with lots of other things I won't wanna do.

**Ashiraya**

Oh right, pathfinder. I had completely forgotten about it.

I just went and explored a zone in Stormheim I had not paid any thoughts towards and bam!

It stacks with DK movespeed now which is useful now.

**Necros**

I have to kill Xavious as part of my surumar quest.. I did that the other night and didn't realize I needed to go do something after he died to finish the quest, at least you can do it in lfr so I'll have to try that tonight.

I'm thinking about ditching leatherworking and replacing it with herbalism or mining... and just gather stuff to sell in the AH. doesn't seem like there's anything I can make that will be better than what I already got just for quests. It was good for getting my score up to 840 with some obliterium upgrades, but a lot of the stuff I'm finding now is higher than that.

**Frankenberry**

Necros wrote:
I have to kill Xavious as part of my surumar quest.. I did that the other night and didn't realize I needed to go do something after he died to finish the quest, at least you can do it in lfr so I'll have to try that tonight.

I'm thinking about ditching leatherworking and replacing it with herbalism or mining... and just gather stuff to sell in the AH. doesn't seem like there's anything I can make that will be better than what I already got just for quests. It was good for getting my score up to 840 with some obliterium upgrades, but a lot of the stuff I'm finding now is higher than that.

Herbalism is where it's at man, my server's AH prices are INSANE for Herbalism mats - probably because of the relative age of the expansion, but as an alchemist I can say that the flasks need AT MINIMUM 5-10 Starlight Rose, which goes for 100+ gold a piece.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Is it just me, or are the trinkets from the Emedald Nightmare strangely unequal? My raid finder Renferal trinket almost matches my 870 Il'gynoth one in damage, despite being 35 iLvLs lower, my Nythendra HC trinket routinely does 6% of my DPS, and the Xavius trinket did a total of 300k damage through ALL of BRH +3 when I tried it out.

I also had the distinct displeasure of ending up in a Mythic+ group with a fire Mage that knew how to play his class. It's just not fun being constantly conscious of how much of a drag you are on any group you join.

**Tagony**

Anybody else trying to do the fishing round the isles achievement? The huge mossgill perch one is bugged. On wowhead it says i'm not the only one. I sent in a ticket, just wondering if you guys did and it got resolved.

**Ashiraya**

I kind of wish the WoW forums were moderated like the Dakka ones are.

Spoiler:

**Necros**

Got my pathfinder achievement last night finally

Just needed to kill Xavius .. I got in a couple of normal raids but could never make it up to him before, but LFR was easy. I like LFR a lot better, people seem more laid back, but maybe I've just been lucky. I have yet to find a normal raid that isn't run by elitist nerds.

I'm gonna do world quests and work on getting exalted with all of the other factions, I have a feeling I'm gonna need that when they add pathfinder part 2. Also playing my Death Knight again, just got him to Pandaria, I skipped that whole expansion and draenor too, so I'm gonna check that all out with him.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Make sure you've got music turned on when playing through Pandaria. The inn tunes especially are catchy as hell.

Speaking of music, what's everyone's favourite expansion so far music-wise. I'm probably going with Wrath myself, both for Invincible and the Antechamber of Ulduar.

**Ashiraya**

**Necros**

Yeah actually I noticed the Pandaria music stood out to me a lot more, maybe just because it's got the asian vibe and not as common as other stuff. I haven't really been paying attention to the music as much otherwise though, maybe I just have the sound effects too loud so that drowns it out.

On one had I liked how in Legion you can go to any of the new zones you want, and the level scales to your level.. but in Pandaria I wanted to make my way to the city to buy the flying skill I can't have yet, and I do miss the sense of danger you get when you're trying to get through a zone that's higher than your level and you have to be more careful. Lately Legion feels more and more like EZ mode with time sinks.

**Ashiraya**

I ran a mythic 10 dungeon yesterday.

Once you've done that, then you can start complaining about easy mode.

I think it's fair that leveling content is easy since everyone has to do it. There is a plethora of content at different difficulties at level 110.

**AlmightyWalrus**

I was meant to be in a Mythic 10 Neltharion's Lair last week, but I got sat for a mage at the last second.

Wiped on 12 % on our last pull of the night on Nythendra Mythic yesterday because Blizzard thought it'd be fun to make our main tank's abilities not work after being freed from the mind control. We probably spent a month's worth of profanity.

**Ashiraya**

Yeah, we did Mythic 10 NL too. Funfunfun. The scorpions before Dargrul are just ridiculous with Fortified!

I am kinda already bored with Mythic+ because I do not really enjoy 5 man content. However, it drops so good loot so I basically have to do it for our mythic progress, which is annoying.

**Frankenberry**

I forget where I heard it mentioned, but for those of you raiding/doing mythics consistently, have you noticed that one sort of replaces the other?

I.E. if you run high level mythics you find that raid gear is worthless.

Not a complaint or anything, just something I thought I'd check out so I didn't end up wasting my time.

**Necros**

Yeah I do like how you're able to level up the dungeons.. I kinda wish they would do that with all of them so you can go back and play all ones. I know they have that timewalking thing, but it'd be cool if they could make mythic versions of everything that's always level 110 +

Since I skipped the last 2 expansions, and just kind of briefly checked out Cataclysm there's lots of dungeons and raids I'll probably never get to see :(

**Ashiraya**

Frankenberry wrote:
I forget where I heard it mentioned, but for those of you raiding/doing mythics consistently, have you noticed that one sort of replaces the other?

I.E. if you run high level mythics you find that raid gear is worthless.

Not a complaint or anything, just something I thought I'd check out so I didn't end up wasting my time.

No, not really. Unless you are getting boosted by your raid or something, the rate at which you acquire items are low, so there is plenty of time to do both. In particular since the best items from mythic+ are the ones from the end-of-week chest, which are limited to one per week.

For example, the mythic 10 I did earlier got me an 880 item from the chest, which is equivalent to mythic raid drops and obviously useful, but gear from the actual raid is what I mainly focus on right now.

Especially now. Necrotic + Teeming. Ughhghghghghgh...

**trexmeyer**

EN is horribly itemized for certain specs. I think there is one good Arms relic, no trinkets, and maybe a couple pieces of armor that are good?

By comparison Arcway has an amazing Mastery trinket, CoS has a good one, and you can get BiS relics from Mythics for many classes. They are somewhat synergistic.

Raid gear will improve with Nighthold since set bonuses are looking really good.

**AlmightyWalrus**

We've had 12 legendaries drop for people since Wednesday. We even had our tank get three in an hour (!!). Did they up the drop rate for legendaries, or is this just RNGesus turning his countenance upon us?

Meanwhile, I'm still stuck with a legendary that's among the best ones for a spec I don't play.

**Ashiraya**

They upped the drop rate for legendaries. I got one on my primary alt, which I often swap in for raids (the mechanics of artifact power means it is better to maintain a highly geared alt than an offspec). That makes me happy, even if the legendary I got is primarily useful in PvP.

**ScootyPuffJunior**

I have three level 110s and none of them have gotten a legendary yet.

**trexmeyer**

Ashiraya wrote:
They upped the drop rate for legendaries. I got one on my primary alt, which I often swap in for raids (the mechanics of artifact power means it is better to maintain a highly geared alt than an offspec). That makes me happy, even if the legendary I got is primarily useful in PvP.

Legendary items and trinkets are disabled in instanced pvp

**Ashiraya**

I do almost exclusively world PvP.

**ScootyPuffJunior**

Just got my first legendary... on my warrior alt, or course! Regardless, I was pretty excited about it especially because my buddy told his friend got his first legendary today and we were both commiserating about it and then I got mine!

**trexmeyer**

I never got into WoD because of how much sets/trinkets impacted class playstyle at endgame.

i.e. Arms was GARBAGE without it's 4 piece and still modest until it got the Archimonde trinket.

We are seeing the exact same again with Legendary items. Only now they are RNG with no guarantee that you'll get one, let alone the one that defines your spec...

Gating gameplay behind RNG drops is horrible.

The TOR model is 100000x better. Gear improves your damage/healing/defense/etc by a marginal amount. You don't see 20% jumps in damage output from a single broken item locked behind a 1/10,000,000 chance to get...

**Necros**

I'm afraid I've done all I care to do in Legion. Just canceled after logging in like once or twice in the last few days. It was a lot of fun checking out all of the new stuff and continuing the story.. but I just can't keep going to the same dungeons over and over and over, raiding has never been something I enjoyed. I'm more into questing and discovering new things. So I guess I'll be back for the next big expansion to relearn everything all over again

**Ashiraya**

trexmeyer wrote:
We are seeing the exact same again with Legendary items

Nope. All DPS specs are viable, and I do not see anyone underperforming vastly or being turned down due to their spec. Even the absolute bottom specs (ele shaman) are not too far off and can still perform well with skill and itemization. Specs that were weak at the start of the expansion (ret, frost dk/mage) are now decent to strong. Blizzard are doing a great job at balancing so far this expansion.

Obviously you will sometimes struggle without legendary if you are pugging, but pugs have kind of ridiculous requirements anyway (curve for killing Nythendra).

**Frankenberry**

Necros wrote:
I'm afraid I've done all I care to do in Legion. Just canceled after logging in like once or twice in the last few days. It was a lot of fun checking out all of the new stuff and continuing the story.. but I just can't keep going to the same dungeons over and over and over, raiding has never been something I enjoyed. I'm more into questing and discovering new things. So I guess I'll be back for the next big expansion to relearn everything all over again

Y'know, I burned out once I got to the whole 'farm for the inevitable flying achievement' portion of the game. Not saying there isn't more to see and do, it just sort of killed my drive to play - I might resub later on after more has been done, just to see how things go story-wise, but for now I can't justify the monthly bill.