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So in the this hypothetical contest of power, we have in corner number one, they're mean, they're lean, they're biochemical engineered machines, the tyrinids!

In corner number two, they're unfeeling, unwavering, the kind of fear inducing robtic killing machines that the terminator wishes he could be, the necrons!

These two factions are all that remain, they have their full arsenal and numbers, now, dakka, YOU DECIDE. Who will win!

EDIT: for clarification, necrons have all tomb worlds/etc. Assume silent king returned, or that there is a new silent king

Nids have all known hive fleets, + double, to account for ones not there yet (we have to quantify) so nids have triple the amount known to the galaxy.

Necrons for one simple reason: biomass

It could be debated that necron "living metal" could be consumed. Just to point out, and remeberx the galaxy still has all the worlds it had before.. .

Necrons beat Tyranids just like Necrons beat everything else in the setting that isn't Chaos, and just like Chaos Tyranids lose 1v1 because they rely on drawing power from something they can't count on in a 1v1.

is this scenario like the original post, where Tyranids only had their hive fleets that had already entered the Galaxy, or do they actually get their whole numbers? If it's the former, then necrons certainly win. If it's the latter, then the argument is basically moot because Tyranid supporters could just argue that the Tyranid fleet goes on for trillions of light years, which may or may not be the case. Also, since you say full numbers and Arsenal, does that mean necrons get their war in heaven numbers? Or do they get back tomb worlds like Damnos that have been overrun by other factions? Do they get reunited C'tan/doomsday weapons? I'm really confused by that line, and I'd appreciate it if the op would clarify.

The tyranids lose hands down, even if they have larger numbers rolling in. They actually lose faster if there's more of them - the competition for resources will increase, every idiot hive fleet is churning out combat bugs and they'll start bumping into each other.

Not to mention the inherent stupidity in using living ships and warriors that can't swap out their weapons (and in some cases also can't gain more energy but instead die after their reserves run out). Any species that came up with such an idea would already be extinct unless it never faced intelligent opposition before.

Necrons

If the Tomb(s) involved are fully awakened and active, then the bugs lose. When it's active, the "dead" Necrons Phase Out, leaving literally nothing for the Tyranids to devour and, worse still, Necron weapons destroy matter on an atomic level, meaning the bugs can't even eat their own dead.

This is an attrition war the Tyranids simply cannot hope to win.

Necrons should win this.

Spetulhu wrote:

Not to mention the inherent stupidity in using living ships and warriors that can't swap out their weapons (and in some cases also can't gain more energy but instead die after their reserves run out). Any species that came up with such an idea would already be extinct unless it never faced intelligent opposition before.

Tyranids are fully capable of swapping weapons, hell a Tyranid weapon once took possession of a stupid careless human.

Oh and your post is BS.


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 Psienesis wrote:
If the Tomb(s) involved are fully awakened and active, then the bugs lose. When it's active, the "dead" Necrons Phase Out, leaving literally nothing for the Tyranids to devour and, worse still, Necron weapons destroy matter on an atomic level, meaning the bugs can't even eat their own dead.

That actually has little effect as the Tyranids mainly draw sustenance and raw resources from the planets they consume, a few billion robots and their disintegrating weapons are nothing compared to that.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Necrons beat Tyranids just like Necrons beat everything else in the setting that isn't Chaos, and just like Chaos Tyranids lose 1v1 because they rely on drawing power from something they can't count on in a 1v1.

The Tyranids curbstomped Daemons in the last major fight they had in the fluff.

That actually has little effect as the Tyranids mainly draw sustenance and raw resources from the planets they consume, a few billion robots and their disintegrating weapons are nothing compared to that.

If the battle takes place on a world with very little in the way of a biosphere, then the 'Nids are even more fethed.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Necrons beat Tyranids just like Necrons beat everything else in the setting that isn't Chaos, and just like Chaos Tyranids lose 1v1 because they rely on drawing power from something they can't count on in a 1v1.

The Tyranids curbstomped Daemons in the last major fight they had in the fluff.

I know. I mean that Chaos loses 1v1 against Necrons because they can't draw emotional sustenance from Necrons, just like Tyranids do because they can't draw biological sustenance from Necrons.

Ahhh, misunderstood. Sorry.

 Psienesis wrote:

That actually has little effect as the Tyranids mainly draw sustenance and raw resources from the planets they consume, a few billion robots and their disintegrating weapons are nothing compared to that.

If the battle takes place on a world with very little in the way of a biosphere, then the 'Nids are even more fethed.

True, but Tyranids tend to ignore those worlds.

Although IIRC the Tyranids once nomnomed a gas giant for the resources on it's atmosphere.

But we still return to an attrition war. Any planet, no matter how fertile, only has so much it can provide to support a Hive Fleet... and the Tyranids do not comprehend the idea of conserving resources. Once they've stripped the planet bare in our scenario here.... well, they're still fighting the virtually-immortal, matter-destroying Necrons.

The battle will last longer, to be sure, but, in the end, we have an army that requires supplies in the field and all the logistical concerns that come with that against one that assuredly does not in the majority of cases and, in the instances where it does require logistical resupply, has the ability to teleport materials from across the galaxy at a moment's notice, if need be.

 Psienesis wrote:
But we still return to an attrition war. Any planet, no matter how fertile, only has so much it can provide to support a Hive Fleet... and the Tyranids do not comprehend the idea of conserving resources. Once they've stripped the planet bare in our scenario here.... well, they're still fighting the virtually-immortal, matter-destroying Necrons.

The battle will last longer, to be sure, but, in the end, we have an army that requires supplies in the field and all the logistical concerns that come with that against one that assuredly does not in the majority of cases and, in the instances where it does require logistical resupply, has the ability to teleport materials from across the galaxy at a moment's notice, if need be.

Yes the Necrons should win, I stated that in my first post. I was simply nitpicking the whole "biomass" thing.

For the sake of argument - Would biomass be that big of a deal? we have to consider the fact that there would now be billions of worlds that are now undefended as their previous inhabitants are no longer in the mix. Plant life would flourish on these worlds while any bodies left behind after the fact would return to the planet and only add to the biomass on planets that were heavily inhabited.

I think some of the Tyranid advantages are being overlooked here.

Adaptation
If there is one thing we know, it is that Tyranids have the ability to rapidly adapt to their enemy. In the past, they have had to adapt to multiple enemies at a time, but in this scenario, they only have one enemy to think about. Their adaptation would be solely focused on one enemy, finding the most efficient way to destroy them. eventually, they would figure out that there is no competing with necron weaponry, so why create these massive creatures that can be taken down by the most basic soldier?

I could see the solution to this being billions of tiny insects, swarming the field and getting into every crevice of necron equipment, maybe even generating bioelectricity to fry it from the inside (Hypothetically) The point here is that Tyranids will not just keep throwing the same old tricks at the Necrons. They will continue to evolve until they find something that works. It's just a matter of how quickly can their evolution yield results.

Synergy
Tyranids have a huge advantage in being able to work together on an unprecedented level due to the Hiveminds link to each bug on the battlefield. They have the ability to see the battle first hand from billions of perspectives. This is huge as every piece of information a bug sees is essentially transmitted back to the hivemind for review. This gives a huge advantage in being able to understand & Change tactics for an entire force on the Fly, as tyranids are really just one being in control, rather than separate individuals making decisions.

Scenario Conditions
It was mentioned earlier that Tyranids bumping into other tyranid fleets would essentially starve each other out in their competition for resources, or , as we have seen in the lore, Fight each with the victor assimilating the biomass & genetic diversity of the other fleet. If we hold this to be true then we have to assume that that while United, Necron instinctual behavior would also come into play. As we have seen, they have been prone to civil war in the past. While they are united against a single enemy; differences in opinion on how to defeat that enemy may come into play, possibly leading to in fighting within the ranks of the necrons. I believe this would be an advantage to the tyranids as they act as a single unit, as mentioned before.

As always, it's pure conjecture, but thought I'd try to throw out a solid argument for the underdog, or bug in this case.

For the sake of argument - Would biomass be that big of a deal? we have to consider the fact that there would now be billions of worlds that are now undefended as their previous inhabitants are no longer in the mix. Plant life would flourish on these worlds while any bodies left behind after the fact would return to the planet and only add to the biomass on planets that were heavily inhabited.

Impossible to say. If the other factions didn't exist, then every planet in the galaxy is a Necron Tomb World. The Tyranids will be required to fight for every scrap.

If there is one thing we know, it is that Tyranids have the ability to rapidly adapt to their enemy. In the past, they have had to adapt to multiple enemies at a time, but in this scenario, they only have one enemy to think about. Their adaptation would be solely focused on one enemy, finding the most efficient way to destroy them. eventually, they would figure out that there is no competing with necron weaponry, so why create these massive creatures that can be taken down by the most basic soldier?

But they require the genetic material of the enemy to use to adapt, and biomass to rebuild the Hive Fleets after any invasion, successful or not. If the Hive Fleet arrives at a Tomb World, loses 75% of its number, is unable to replenish its stores of biomass and is driven back? It's done for. The remaining ships will eventually cannibalize one another and then, finally, starve to death.

I could see the solution to this being billions of tiny insects, swarming the field and getting into every crevice of necron equipment, maybe even generating bioelectricity to fry it from the inside (Hypothetically) The point here is that Tyranids will not just keep throwing the same old tricks at the Necrons. They will continue to evolve until they find something that works. It's just a matter of how quickly can their evolution yield results.

And then a Norn Queen gets Mindshackled, and the Necrons develop nanites to eat/gauss flay the tiny bugs. The Tyranids are not the only society that adapts in the setting.

But, again... no biomass? No evolution. Without biomass, the Tyranids cannot create new bugs.

Tyranids have a huge advantage in being able to work together on an unprecedented level due to the Hiveminds link to each bug on the battlefield. They have the ability to see the battle first hand from billions of perspectives. This is huge as every piece of information a bug sees is essentially transmitted back to the hivemind for review. This gives a huge advantage in being able to understand & Change tactics for an entire force on the Fly, as tyranids are really just one being in control, rather than separate individuals making decisions.

So do Necrons. The Warriors are mindless automatons, directed by advanced combat programming and controlled through the command protocols of the higher ranks of Necrons, terminating at the Phaeron of the Dynasty.

It was mentioned earlier that Tyranids bumping into other tyranid fleets would essentially starve each other out in their competition for resources, or , as we have seen in the lore, Fight each with the victor assimilating the biomass & genetic diversity of the other fleet. If we hold this to be true then we have to assume that that while United, Necron instinctual behavior would also come into play. As we have seen, they have been prone to civil war in the past. While they are united against a single enemy; differences in opinion on how to defeat that enemy may come into play, possibly leading to in fighting within the ranks of the necrons. I believe this would be an advantage to the tyranids as they act as a single unit, as mentioned before.

Necrons do not have "instinctual behavior", they're not bestial intelligence beings. They're a hyper-advanced civilization with only a few million sentient members across the entire galaxy. The rest are basically robots. With the Silent King in play, while there might be some grumbling and dissention, well, we are talking about the guy who led them to victory over what they considered to be the gods themselves. I don't think such arguments will be voiced too loudly, or get very far.