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Ok, hear me out. I was just beginning to start my KDK army. That guy comes to my table where I am painting. He ask me if I want to play. I'm like ''okay, but I don't really have anything competitive yet, not even a good anti-tank and I don't have any flyers or anti-flying unit''. He's like ''okay, no problem, let's do a 1k pts game''.
We begin to play. He puts a Gorkanaut and a flyer on the table.
I had this one guy at my local GW He would be a Rules Lawyer, Whilst breaking those rules himself and tried to be a dominant alpha male
one example was an all day apocalypse game where he was the organizer (we didnt know that when we signed up) and he set up the table for an easy Imperial victory (as he was also playing) by placing ALL the buildings on, or near the deployment zone so when Chaos+Xenos came onto the board they had NO COVER and also didnt tell the Chaos+Xenos players they were 2000 points over! (i think this was a ploy as the Imperium was getting destroyed by 3 Invisible Stompas). Another player calcultates the total points (excluding the 'Extra' 2000) to be near spot on (100 point difference) and word goes around to every player about this, we all turn to him and ask why. he replies with "Im the organizer, its my Game" and everone decided to appoint a New Organizer (without telling the old one about it) When the old organizer tries to insert his dominance, everyone ignores him and asks the new organizer what should happen, Old Organizer procceeds to walk of angrily fir about an hour, when he returns we still ignore him (The Imperium won)
Havent seen him since then
Exalbaru wrote: staring-I've seen a few of the guys like if a girl walks in pretty much creepily side stare them the entire time they are in the store, like it even makes me uncomfortable.
It's funny, because I've been on the receiving end of this so much! Best was after getting a job at the local GW store, and for the first half a year or so, just a constant barrage of, "Omg! you're a girl/there's a girl working here now?!"
Honestly I personally don't care unless the girl is pretty. It's less "A girl plays here!" and more "A girl plays here and SHE'S HOT!" I mean certain things in nerd culture are more heavily populated by guys (like Games Workshop) and judging by how anti-social and gut-less most of the guys are (myself included) the pretty girls get stares. Not to be mean but when girls often come to the Games Workshop in Michigan they're either escorted by their husbands or boyfriends rather than coming by themselves and generally only play or usually paint because their husband does it (maybe they're being supportive which is good on them). Also in many cases these girls tend to not be the best looking. Sometimes they have a chunk of hair missing from their scalp or some such. Oddly enough online there are a few pretty girl gamers in warhammer and that just blows my mind. They must be in the 0.1% (though one of the GW's in Michigan at one point had an attractive female employee that was good at painting or modeling the models).
You also gotta understand it's good to find somebody interested in the same things and it's not like these guys went out of their way to see you rather than played and you just came in. I won't say it doesn't suck trying to fit in and enjoy your hobby while getting stares but I don't understand that end. Being a guy the end I understand is trying to find a nerdy gamer girl that's halfway decent looking and having to fight off about 20 or more dudes to get chosen and usually I can manage to come close to the top ok but never get the girl. Of course this might be generalizing a bit much but most of the war-gamer girls on the internet are either taken (in a relationship) or gay (could explain why they like the more male heavy games).
At this point if a pretty girl gamer comes along I sigh more than anything. Mostly it's because they are all out of my league as most pretty girls are and it's just not worth the effort anymore. Also it will ruin the atmosphere as people act super nice to her, stare at her or are angrily dissuaded from hitting on her so that the guys in the store are more uneasy when she's around and the mood feels unnatural.
I'm sure i'll get flak for my comments on that but whatever. It's the truth and I've been told I'm not a liar (even when it might be better to hold my tongue).
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I'm also sorry for anybody that has to work at a GW store for many reasons. One being the hate GW receives and you have to deal with and the various moves GW makes. I used to not mind the idea of working at a GW even when they halved the imperial guardsmen boxes and increased the price when 5th edition imperial guard came and employees tried to reason it. It was more the dreaded AoS that came out this year and the death of fantasy. Not only justifying it as an employee and shouting down the customer but acting like it's the best thing since sliced bread. I'm sorry I can't be forced to like something so abysmal that hurt so many customers. It's a topic for another thread though.
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Far as my own experiences go there's a few kinds of people I don't like in the store. The super-competitive or snobby (to almost hipster levels) people that think themselves better or belittle you for your army or the supposed 'cool kids' nerds. The other thing is really annoying players like somebody that won't shut up. Body odor is also a problem and maybe my nose isn't that sensitive but I haven't experienced anything that bad so far.
Meanwhile, in Femland
"Where are you going, Kelly?"
"Thought I might nip down to my local game store for a nice good bit of getting stared at. I'm specifically wearing this formless T-shirt but it references something in nerd culture so I hope everyone else will take it as some kind of come-on."
"Ooh, is anyone there close to racking up enough NGP?"
"Yeah a few people have garnered significant Nice Guy Points but I think I'll just go find myself another jerk."
"Well have fun! Are you going to do anything else while you're there?"
"Of course not, what you think I'm going to the game store to pursue some kind of hobby? I'm a girl nerd, so obviously I perceive the entire world of nerd culture as a giant dating site."
/s
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Well, after that little aside I know what can grind someone's gears in a big way:
Bring girlfriend to hobby shop, she decides to dress a bit on the hot side "to make you feel good in front of your game friends".
Her and I play a game and a couple of the guys wander up and ask about my "relationship" with her.
I said she is a "long time friend".
Guys start jockeying for position, butt in a bunch to be "helpful" and get in her space as much as possible.
She is looking at me like "What the heck is going on??".
I take her aside later in one of the isles and explained it... she yelled out something like "YOU JERK!!!" but then started laughing.
She then flirted with them relentlessly trying to get me upset...
It was a well remembered evening and I kept being asked for weeks if my "friend" was going to come out again or is there a way to get in touch with her... to game of course.
Good times.
A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
1. Veteran player makes demos to newcomers and beat them using overpowered minis. The veteran player never wants to lose a game, even in the demos. The newcomers do not learn the game because the veteran player always wants to win and is not explaining all the basics of the game.
The result: No new players.
2. Two players in FLGS playing Infinity, TFG comes in and starts interrupting the game. TFG thinks he is a game guru with the rules. Both Infinity players got pissed and never returned.
The result: No more Infinity players in that store
Capt. Camping wrote: In my area:
1. Veteran player makes demos to newcomers and beat them using overpowered minis. The veteran player never wants to lose a game, even in the demos. The newcomers do not learn the game because the veteran player always wants to win and is not explaining all the basics of the game.
The result: No new players.
2. Two players in FLGS playing Infinity, TFG comes in and starts interrupting the game. TFG thinks he is a game guru with the rules. Both Infinity players got pissed and never returned.
The result: No more Infinity players in that store
Um, that is where I would usually step-in and say I could arrange a more "relaxed" game and bring out my nice painted stuff and they can use them.
Then make some mention that his "Does not play nice with others" sign fell off.
Got to do damage control with those who like to abuse the "fresh meat"... gotta develop a relationship with a person before you are friend enough to abuse them!
A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
master of ordinance wrote: I have an opponent with a nasty penchant for using broken as hell formations and combos, such as bringing a Libby conclave and Invisibility ing a triple Vindicator squadron. He also loes to bring 30K units (primarily primarchs) in to 40K without any prior warning and has been known to hide them until mid game in transports.
He will then complain about other armies rules, such as GK out psyching him, DA airwing and IG Orders.
In fact some of my favourite complaints are:
"Guard orders are overpowered, they should be a once per game thing like chapter tactics" (this was after I FRFSRF 3 Veteran sections in a 'friendly' game where we had agreed not to use anything bigger than walkers and he had deployed a Primarch)
"Guard tanks are over powered, you need to bring less of them (I had 7 in a 2K game)"
"This game, lets each pick one unit which our opponent cant use" (Then justified this in that I could pick Librarians and stop his psychic spam. I politely declined)
"The Guard are not about the tanks, they are about the men on the front line"
"I think that two or three tanks is enough for a guard army"
There is also the club manager. He is a great guy but keeps making remarks about my Leman Russ - I use Bolt Action Churchills (my army is themed around the British East Lancashire units) and how they are "too small" (the fact that they are only slightly smaller than a LRBT is beside the point) and that I should "buy some proper tanks".
Oddly enough when I offered him the chance to purchase them for me he declined.....
Guard Tanks are obscenely overpowered, the GW staff took away my mates Relic Whirlwind Scorpius w/ Battle of Keylek for a Lemun Russ and claimed he had better fire power because it was a large blast not a small blast so he shouldn't be mad. My mate is seriously thinking about packing his models up if it happens again.
Wait, What?
A Gw employee took your friends model and made him use a different one?
Yes, this is how it went down.
For the day, there was a long table so lots of people could play each other and there was a Tau vs IoM overall campaign to coincide with Kauyon. My mate was paired with a DA Ravenwing spammer who is more regular than me or my friend (I have studying, he was visiting for the weekend). My mate had brought Battle of Keylek Scorpius as he really likes using it and truth be told, it would have destroyed the Ravenwing easily. The GW employee asked my friend to provide the rules for it and he had forgotten to print them off, which you could use to justify the swithch. However, I know, my mate knows and the GW employee knows that the IA books are kept in the back so it would have been easy to fetch the rules out. GW goes into the back, takes five minutes to look for book and comes out with the Lemun Russ for my friend to use. My mate was not impressed, his opponent was smug everytime he rolled a successful Jink.
It gets worse as the same employee flitted over to my table where I was using Zhadsnark, but didn't call me out on it. Also let my opponent charge when he had infiltrated (and on a previous day, made my tankbustas roll to hit against a building). So yeah. I guess you could say cringe-worthy staff I don't like pick up games at that store. Everyone in my gaming group knows me as the 'rules guru' and I'm right 99.9% of the time when it comes to RAW interpretations - so it often falls to me to 'make a ruling'. That's what I like about being a so called guru, it makes the game flow as opposed to disjointed 'no I'm right, no I'm right' mantra two people will have.
Exalbaru wrote: staring-I've seen a few of the guys like if a girl walks in pretty much creepily side stare them the entire time they are in the store, like it even makes me uncomfortable.
It's funny, because I've been on the receiving end of this so much! Best was after getting a job at the local GW store, and for the first half a year or so, just a constant barrage of, "Omg! you're a girl/there's a girl working here now?!"
Honestly I personally don't care unless the girl is pretty. It's less "A girl plays here!" and more "A girl plays here and SHE'S HOT!" I mean certain things in nerd culture are more heavily populated by guys (like Games Workshop) and judging by how anti-social and gut-less most of the guys are (myself included) the pretty girls get stares. Not to be mean but when girls often come to the Games Workshop in Michigan they're either escorted by their husbands or boyfriends rather than coming by themselves and generally only play or usually paint because their husband does it (maybe they're being supportive which is good on them). Also in many cases these girls tend to not be the best looking. Sometimes they have a chunk of hair missing from their scalp or some such. Oddly enough online there are a few pretty girl gamers in warhammer and that just blows my mind. They must be in the 0.1% (though one of the GW's in Michigan at one point had an attractive female employee that was good at painting or modeling the models).
You also gotta understand it's good to find somebody interested in the same things and it's not like these guys went out of their way to see you rather than played and you just came in. I won't say it doesn't suck trying to fit in and enjoy your hobby while getting stares but I don't understand that end. Being a guy the end I understand is trying to find a nerdy gamer girl that's halfway decent looking and having to fight off about 20 or more dudes to get chosen and usually I can manage to come close to the top ok but never get the girl. Of course this might be generalizing a bit much but most of the war-gamer girls on the internet are either taken (in a relationship) or gay (could explain why they like the more male heavy games).
At this point if a pretty girl gamer comes along I sigh more than anything. Mostly it's because they are all out of my league as most pretty girls are and it's just not worth the effort anymore. Also it will ruin the atmosphere as people act super nice to her, stare at her or are angrily dissuaded from hitting on her so that the guys in the store are more uneasy when she's around and the mood feels unnatural.
I'm sure i'll get flak for my comments on that but whatever. It's the truth and I've been told I'm not a liar (even when it might be better to hold my tongue).
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I'm also sorry for anybody that has to work at a GW store for many reasons. One being the hate GW receives and you have to deal with and the various moves GW makes. I used to not mind the idea of working at a GW even when they halved the imperial guardsmen boxes and increased the price when 5th edition imperial guard came and employees tried to reason it. It was more the dreaded AoS that came out this year and the death of fantasy. Not only justifying it as an employee and shouting down the customer but acting like it's the best thing since sliced bread. I'm sorry I can't be forced to like something so abysmal that hurt so many customers. It's a topic for another thread though.
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Far as my own experiences go there's a few kinds of people I don't like in the store. The super-competitive or snobby (to almost hipster levels) people that think themselves better or belittle you for your army or the supposed 'cool kids' nerds. The other thing is really annoying players like somebody that won't shut up. Body odor is also a problem and maybe my nose isn't that sensitive but I haven't experienced anything that bad so far.
Meanwhile, in Femland
"Where are you going, Kelly?"
"Thought I might nip down to my local game store for a nice good bit of getting stared at. I'm specifically wearing this formless T-shirt but it references something in nerd culture so I hope everyone else will take it as some kind of come-on."
"Ooh, is anyone there close to racking up enough NGP?"
"Yeah a few people have garnered significant Nice Guy Points but I think I'll just go find myself another jerk."
"Well have fun! Are you going to do anything else while you're there?"
"Of course not, what you think I'm going to the game store to pursue some kind of hobby? I'm a girl nerd, so obviously I perceive the entire world of nerd culture as a giant dating site."
/s
I never said I was a nice guy but hey a lot of people do things for people they find attractive. I've seen girls act nice to jerk guys and get treated like garbage too. That said the jerks could get away with it because they were good looking.
There's also a girl i used to know online that always said she wore a tank top to the GW as a way of 'demoralizing' the enemy and then complained about stares. I also said most girls i saw there (which is about one or two in ever) generally paint. Also said i don't even bother with it anymore.
Please though do skew this to make it so all nerdy girls get hit on regardless of looks or something. A crappy looking girl with a crappy personality and no notable skills just about anywhere gets nowhere (except tumblr maybe) while an attractive and nice woman does esp. if you has skills. But yeah let's separate this so all women have it bad and all men have it good (and all men should go on a guilt trip for their sins and flagellate themselves in the streets) in all first world nations which is laughable when compared to 3rd world nations where there's war, poverty and every other horrible thing you can imagine.
These days i just go for women in my league which sadly but truthfully isn't that high up. I also find trying to find a woman that at least has some common interests isn't bad though a game store is a bad place to look for one. Though hey i suppose i 'stare raped' a woman and should be sent to prison for it the way people are so PC these days.
Exalbaru wrote: staring-I've seen a few of the guys like if a girl walks in pretty much creepily side stare them the entire time they are in the store, like it even makes me uncomfortable.
It's funny, because I've been on the receiving end of this so much! Best was after getting a job at the local GW store, and for the first half a year or so, just a constant barrage of, "Omg! you're a girl/there's a girl working here now?!"
Honestly I personally don't care unless the girl is pretty. It's less "A girl plays here!" and more "A girl plays here and SHE'S HOT!" I mean certain things in nerd culture are more heavily populated by guys (like Games Workshop) and judging by how anti-social and gut-less most of the guys are (myself included) the pretty girls get stares. Not to be mean but when girls often come to the Games Workshop in Michigan they're either escorted by their husbands or boyfriends rather than coming by themselves and generally only play or usually paint because their husband does it (maybe they're being supportive which is good on them). Also in many cases these girls tend to not be the best looking. Sometimes they have a chunk of hair missing from their scalp or some such. Oddly enough online there are a few pretty girl gamers in warhammer and that just blows my mind. They must be in the 0.1% (though one of the GW's in Michigan at one point had an attractive female employee that was good at painting or modeling the models).
You also gotta understand it's good to find somebody interested in the same things and it's not like these guys went out of their way to see you rather than played and you just came in. I won't say it doesn't suck trying to fit in and enjoy your hobby while getting stares but I don't understand that end. Being a guy the end I understand is trying to find a nerdy gamer girl that's halfway decent looking and having to fight off about 20 or more dudes to get chosen and usually I can manage to come close to the top ok but never get the girl. Of course this might be generalizing a bit much but most of the war-gamer girls on the internet are either taken (in a relationship) or gay (could explain why they like the more male heavy games).
At this point if a pretty girl gamer comes along I sigh more than anything. Mostly it's because they are all out of my league as most pretty girls are and it's just not worth the effort anymore. Also it will ruin the atmosphere as people act super nice to her, stare at her or are angrily dissuaded from hitting on her so that the guys in the store are more uneasy when she's around and the mood feels unnatural.
I'm sure i'll get flak for my comments on that but whatever. It's the truth and I've been told I'm not a liar (even when it might be better to hold my tongue).
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I'm also sorry for anybody that has to work at a GW store for many reasons. One being the hate GW receives and you have to deal with and the various moves GW makes. I used to not mind the idea of working at a GW even when they halved the imperial guardsmen boxes and increased the price when 5th edition imperial guard came and employees tried to reason it. It was more the dreaded AoS that came out this year and the death of fantasy. Not only justifying it as an employee and shouting down the customer but acting like it's the best thing since sliced bread. I'm sorry I can't be forced to like something so abysmal that hurt so many customers. It's a topic for another thread though.
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Far as my own experiences go there's a few kinds of people I don't like in the store. The super-competitive or snobby (to almost hipster levels) people that think themselves better or belittle you for your army or the supposed 'cool kids' nerds. The other thing is really annoying players like somebody that won't shut up. Body odor is also a problem and maybe my nose isn't that sensitive but I haven't experienced anything that bad so far.
Meanwhile, in Femland
"Where are you going, Kelly?"
"Thought I might nip down to my local game store for a nice good bit of getting stared at. I'm specifically wearing this formless T-shirt but it references something in nerd culture so I hope everyone else will take it as some kind of come-on."
"Ooh, is anyone there close to racking up enough NGP?"
"Yeah a few people have garnered significant Nice Guy Points but I think I'll just go find myself another jerk."
"Well have fun! Are you going to do anything else while you're there?"
"Of course not, what you think I'm going to the game store to pursue some kind of hobby? I'm a girl nerd, so obviously I perceive the entire world of nerd culture as a giant dating site."
/s
I never said I was a nice guy but hey a lot of people do things for people they find attractive. I've seen girls act nice to jerk guys and get treated like garbage too. That said the jerks could get away with it because they were good looking.
There's also a girl i used to know online that always said she wore a tank top to the GW as a way of 'demoralizing' the enemy and then complained about stares. I also said most girls i saw there (which is about one or two in ever) generally paint. Also said i don't even bother with it anymore.
Please though do skew this to make it so all nerdy girls get hit on regardless of looks or something. A crappy looking girl with a crappy personality and no notable skills just about anywhere gets nowhere (except tumblr maybe) while an attractive and nice woman does esp. if you has skills. But yeah let's separate this so all women have it bad and all men have it good (and all men should go on a guilt trip for their sins and flagellate themselves in the streets) in all first world nations which is laughable when compared to 3rd world nations where there's war, poverty and every other horrible thing you can imagine.
These days i just go for women in my league which sadly but truthfully isn't that high up. I also find trying to find a woman that at least has some common interests isn't bad though a game store is a bad place to look for one. Though hey i suppose i 'stare raped' a woman and should be sent to prison for it the way people are so PC these days.
Then there's the opposite end of the "gamer girl" spectrum, and you end up with heinously awkward situations such as...
Spoiler:
The short, less than appealing, hygienically challenged & highly inappropriate behavior type who brings their crystal dildo into the store thinking that the staff will find it a super hilarious joke...
...And Little Timmy's mother is standing maybe twelve feet away from all of this.
Sorry I think i'll leave the thread so as to prevent an argument.
I have also noticed some people that are pretty nasty not just on the power gamer side but in one case where a guy said he didn't have much anti-vehicle with a 5th edition dark eldar army and the space marine player used a landraider and some other stuff with min. units.
I find it funny how I actually learned to build lists before a game, WYSIWYG (unless otherwise stated) and other such things. I won't lie I'm a sore loser and used to yell a bit when I lost too badly or too frequently and esp. with both. I still do this when I play video and computer games. It's a bad habit and I should stop it though.
@experiment 626: Well I did want to convert the chest cannon on the ratling cannon stormfiends so that the chest gun is a crotch gun. Nothing funnier than claiming you got kills with the dude's junk. The GW manager said he'd allow it as long as I didn't point it out. Some other more politically correct kid said he'd point it out at all times so I could never bring it. Some people just have no sense of humor and sadly the PC crowd tends to have most of them.
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Then there's the opposite end of the "gamer girl" spectrum, and you end up with heinously awkward situations such as...
[spoiler]The short, less than appealing, hygienically challenged & highly inappropriate behavior type who brings their crystal dildo into the store thinking that the staff will find it a super hilarious joke...
...And Little Timmy's mother is standing maybe twelve feet away from all of this.
True story too!
Please tell more!
Storytime Dakka
Free from GW's tyranny and the hobby is looking better for it
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Gamers or at least War-gamers aren't the most socially acceptable crowd and are generally awkward people in general (myself included). I guess it just mostly includes that nerdy guy that got wedgies in school and brought a pocket protector.
@master of ordinance: I would like to hear some more stories as well. Oh and nice to see another skaven player. I was into it in fantasy but not now. Mordheim and the other computer games should help. Maybe I should get vermintide.
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Haha we almost had this in store on calth release night... There's a pub near by and midnight launch... Very awkward and I think it would have been the guys running away from her over "friendliness"
I've got the feeling I might be grinding peoples gears sometimes. My daughter and I visit our gw and she usually does some painting and I'll just hang out. Now we have a good time and have felt welcome by the owner and generally supported by the locals, however I have the feeling of kids not being wanted some of the time... Maybe me being over reading things though.
Far as 'grinding my gears' I'd say it's the fact the GW manager and GW as a whole is really pushing this AoS thing so hard and in some cases is really unhappy about warhammer fantasy even being mentioned. I can understand they don't like to hear it too much but as a fan of years being booted out and having my favorite setting annihilated and re-made into a Frankenstein's monster really bothered me. Maybe it would've been better had fantasy died and nothing came out of it.
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With annoying gamers as I said before it's mostly the snobs, power-gamers and in one case a politically correct guy (though he's tolerable even if he kisses the manager's butt a little too much in my opinion and it is a family rated store).
I have found a group of guys there that are friendly and often enjoy humor. I make a few of em laugh from time to time and they tend to be more in it for painting or fun though one of em does tend to take lists that win most of the time.
LucidNinja wrote: Haha we almost had this in store on calth release night... There's a pub near by and midnight launch... Very awkward and I think it would have been the guys running away from her over "friendliness"
I've got the feeling I might be grinding peoples gears sometimes. My daughter and I visit our gw and she usually does some painting and I'll just hang out. Now we have a good time and have felt welcome by the owner and generally supported by the locals, however I have the feeling of kids not being wanted some of the time... Maybe me being over reading things though.
I actually feel the same way sometimes, it seems some of the older players (I am 19, so most players are older than me ) don't really like younger players. It's just bad for the community, since sooner or later, those same players won't be playing, and no newcomers will've gotten into the game.
Check out my Rogue Trader Story:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/672269.page
@master of ordinance: I would like to hear some more stories as well. Oh and nice to see another skaven player. I was into it in fantasy but not now. Mordheim and the other computer games should help. Maybe I should get vermintide.
Yay, a fellow Skaven player I still run my Skaven, either in 8th/9th ed battles when I can get them or (more frequently) in Mordhiem
Free from GW's tyranny and the hobby is looking better for it
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Anyone, if you ever find yourself wondering why there are about .0001% females in your hobby, the reason why may have something to do with the fact that they are treated as an abnormality rather than just another person playing the game.
And the existence of people who feed off that attention in an unhealthy way might actually be seen as proof rather than disproof of the existence of that overall trend.
And that is, by far, the cringiest thing I've seen in this hobby. I'd take all the list tailoring cheese mongering unpainted FOTM-playing jerks in the world over that one guy who goes full on creep mode every time a representative of 50% of the human population enters his LOS.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
@master of ordinance: I would like to hear some more stories as well. Oh and nice to see another skaven player. I was into it in fantasy but not now. Mordheim and the other computer games should help. Maybe I should get vermintide.
Yay, a fellow Skaven player I still run my Skaven, either in 8th/9th ed battles when I can get them or (more frequently) in Mordhiem
The game is dead for me and I should probably sell my skaven but I love those little guys. Pinky and the Brain but more evil and dark. I'm just sad my dreams of jetpack skaven will never come to pass. I would've easily bought several boxes. Maybe AoS will make em but I dunno. I've heard about fan-made 9th but I dunno. I heard facebook skaven players saying it was very anti-skaven. Anyway we should continue this through pm's so as not to go off-topic.
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@the_scotsman: Maybe girls just don't like playing war-games for the most part (excepting a few of course). Some hobbies tend to have more girls. Maybe overall some find different things interesting (like painting maybe). Take a psychology class and you'll understand the male to female ratio is much different. I noticed it was like 3 girls to each guy in those classes. That said people are free to like what they like. I mean I could be wrong but I think girls in general are better at art. I tend not to understand why there's anything wrong with any of the outcomes as long as nobody's forcing somebody to like something they don't like.
Actually, one of my first games was against a guy who's spawned the longest running (10+ years now) running joke in my little high school friend group when we play 40k. He was "Mr. Micromeasurement".
My second game my buddy and I combined our IG and ork armies for a 1500 point game against this dude's Grey Knights.
After explaining that his friends usually house rule it so the GK always get the rules they get vs Daemons vs everyone (because it's so stupid they pay points for it and don't get it against some armies) we then proceed to play a game in which every 10 seconds we are stopped so he could measure our moves, or squad coherency, or 1" from an enemy model. He'd do this thing where we'd move a model 6", he'd stop us, grab the model, move it back 8" or so, then move it forward 6" and go "Nooo, they only move 6!!" In this kind of weird mono-tone bellow.
It culminated in a charge in which my orks got out of their Trukk, just outside a building, and charge his GK maybe 3" away.
He picked it up, and actually put it INSIDE the building-lifting the roof off and everything-and then re measured and they were 8" or so out.
Then he pounds the table and yells "BASE. TO BASE. CONTAAACT".
We still shout that at least once a game every time I end up getting together with those guys. Honestly probably my favorite 40k nostalgia memory, it was just so nonsensical how worked up he got over it, especially when he lost maybe 2 models the whole game.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
@master of ordinance: I would like to hear some more stories as well. Oh and nice to see another skaven player. I was into it in fantasy but not now. Mordheim and the other computer games should help. Maybe I should get vermintide.
Yay, a fellow Skaven player I still run my Skaven, either in 8th/9th ed battles when I can get them or (more frequently) in Mordhiem
You know I am fairly glad that my area actually has a few girls in the groups I frequent. It always sucks to be the only girl, especially when it's a college group full of guys who cant handle rejection well xD off the top of my head there are five girls that play, with three playing tyranids. Seriously what is up with girls and their special flyrant friends??
the_scotsman wrote: Actually, one of my first games was against a guy who's spawned the longest running (10+ years now) running joke in my little high school friend group when we play 40k. He was "Mr. Micromeasurement".
My second game my buddy and I combined our IG and ork armies for a 1500 point game against this dude's Grey Knights.
After explaining that his friends usually house rule it so the GK always get the rules they get vs Daemons vs everyone (because it's so stupid they pay points for it and don't get it against some armies) we then proceed to play a game in which every 10 seconds we are stopped so he could measure our moves, or squad coherency, or 1" from an enemy model. He'd do this thing where we'd move a model 6", he'd stop us, grab the model, move it back 8" or so, then move it forward 6" and go "Nooo, they only move 6!!" In this kind of weird mono-tone bellow.
It culminated in a charge in which my orks got out of their Trukk, just outside a building, and charge his GK maybe 3" away.
He picked it up, and actually put it INSIDE the building-lifting the roof off and everything-and then re measured and they were 8" or so out.
Then he pounds the table and yells "BASE. TO BASE. CONTAAACT".
We still shout that at least once a game every time I end up getting together with those guys. Honestly probably my favorite 40k nostalgia memory, it was just so nonsensical how worked up he got over it, especially when he lost maybe 2 models the whole game.
When I can help it I just move slightly less than the max distance. It's cheating to go over but not under. As far as fleeing goes I just do it the opposite way. I can't be bothered to do infinitesimal measurements all day to annoy people.
Also holy crap if I played that guy I'd get some observers that way when I beat his army he can just go pout in a corner. Ever notice the selfish people that cheat the most complain about being cheated the most?
@Akiasura: You're joking right? I just didn't like AoS. If you had thousands of points and played for years I'd say you'd understand if it was thrown out the window and GW flipped you off with both hands. If you mean skaven on the other hand then you can just deal with it. Wood elves were infinitely worse when they got their last 8th army book. At least they had an army book made for the edition they were in. Skaven had an 8 page FAQ.
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the_scotsman wrote: Actually, one of my first games was against a guy who's spawned the longest running (10+ years now) running joke in my little high school friend group when we play 40k. He was "Mr. Micromeasurement".
My second game my buddy and I combined our IG and ork armies for a 1500 point game against this dude's Grey Knights.
After explaining that his friends usually house rule it so the GK always get the rules they get vs Daemons vs everyone (because it's so stupid they pay points for it and don't get it against some armies) we then proceed to play a game in which every 10 seconds we are stopped so he could measure our moves, or squad coherency, or 1" from an enemy model. He'd do this thing where we'd move a model 6", he'd stop us, grab the model, move it back 8" or so, then move it forward 6" and go "Nooo, they only move 6!!" In this kind of weird mono-tone bellow.
It culminated in a charge in which my orks got out of their Trukk, just outside a building, and charge his GK maybe 3" away.
He picked it up, and actually put it INSIDE the building-lifting the roof off and everything-and then re measured and they were 8" or so out.
Then he pounds the table and yells "BASE. TO BASE. CONTAAACT".
We still shout that at least once a game every time I end up getting together with those guys. Honestly probably my favorite 40k nostalgia memory, it was just so nonsensical how worked up he got over it, especially when he lost maybe 2 models the whole game.
When I can help it I just move slightly less than the max distance. It's cheating to go over but not under. As far as fleeing goes I just do it the opposite way. I can't be bothered to do infinitesimal measurements all day to annoy people.
Also holy crap if I played that guy I'd get some observers that way when I beat his army he can just go pout in a corner. Ever notice the selfish people that cheat the most complain about being cheated the most?
@Akiasura: You're joking right? I just didn't like AoS. If you had thousands of points and played for years I'd say you'd understand if it was thrown out the window and GW flipped you off with both hands. If you mean skaven on the other hand then you can just deal with it. Wood elves were infinitely worse when they got their last 8th army book. At least they had an army book made for the edition they were in. Skaven had an 8 page FAQ.
Nah I'm just messing with you I play Ogres, dwarves, Lizzies, and druchii. Our best player uses Wood elves, though we used to have a pretty high elf/empire centric meta.
I always loved skaven. Loved because I'm obsessed with steampunk but find the empire to look...moronic tbh. I wanted to play skaven but I'm a horrible hobbyist and the model count is way too high.
I play them in mordenheim currently. Chitter Chitter Squeak is my favorite warband ever.
I haven't played fantasy in a while. Ogres are my main army and the magic phase in fantasy has made them unplayable against VC, Elves, and daemons. Purple sun is absurd.
Super rules lawyer people drive me nuts. I get wanting to get rules straight, but arguing tiny details in a friendly league game drives me nuts. Also I realize our hobby has socially inept people in it. But it still drives me nuts when you get someone who will start talking some nonsense (or at least something that only makes sense to them) but then continues to dog you across the shop trying to convince you to see it their way. I am perfectly willing to let a subject drop, but it get's old when all you can say it "uhuh" "yep" "nope" "I dunno man, I don't think so". The last one for me was a guy claiming that "Gamesworkshop is going to be put out of business by Mantic."
40K:
The Purge Vracksian Renegades WAAAAAGH Scrappa Death Skullz
Then there's the opposite end of the "gamer girl" spectrum, and you end up with heinously awkward situations such as...
[spoiler]The short, less than appealing, hygienically challenged & highly inappropriate behavior type who brings their crystal dildo into the store thinking that the staff will find it a super hilarious joke...
...And Little Timmy's mother is standing maybe twelve feet away from all of this.
True story too!
Please tell more!
Storytime Dakka
As funny as it was well after the fact, we all learned to cower in fear when this individual would come to the store and hang out... On a good day they'd do something horrible enough to warrant a polite, "you can't be here anymore, because... 'reason'." from the manager. (like, trying to illegally pirate a nearby store's internet signal to show us homemade Starscream AMV's)
On a bad day, you'd have to put up with rank BO, (thank-you years of competitive hockey filled with teams of unwashed equipment for granting me immunity!), pig honking noises, endless Starscream stories, and generally feel like you needed to hide in a shower for the next two days to feel clean again.
The absolute worst days were the store auction days, and I'd absolutely pity the poor sod who got stuck next to her all day, having to deal with massively unnerving constant flirtations and generally leave one in the position that the other 50% of the human where now a source of nightmarish pain & suffering.
The only other really, really awful example of female gamers being naughty, was one of the last years I attended the old Toronto GT's.
This individual was shall we say, rather 'hefty'. And wore a very tight sleeveless top, with no 'support' underneath... They'd then proceed to lean across the table, and guys were constantly torn between awkwardness and yet, wanting to catch a souvenir due to the constant threat of 'falling out across the table'.
Gives new meaning to the age old "Jugger Lord" however!
Then there's the opposite end of the "gamer girl" spectrum, and you end up with heinously awkward situations such as...
[spoiler]The short, less than appealing, hygienically challenged & highly inappropriate behavior type who brings their crystal dildo into the store thinking that the staff will find it a super hilarious joke...
...And Little Timmy's mother is standing maybe twelve feet away from all of this.
True story too!
Please tell more!
Storytime Dakka
As funny as it was well after the fact, we all learned to cower in fear when this individual would come to the store and hang out... On a good day they'd do something horrible enough to warrant a polite, "you can't be here anymore, because... 'reason'." from the manager. (like, trying to illegally pirate a nearby store's internet signal to show us homemade Starscream AMV's)
On a bad day, you'd have to put up with rank BO, (thank-you years of competitive hockey filled with teams of unwashed equipment for granting me immunity!), pig honking noises, endless Starscream stories, and generally feel like you needed to hide in a shower for the next two days to feel clean again.
The absolute worst days were the store auction days, and I'd absolutely pity the poor sod who got stuck next to her all day, having to deal with massively unnerving constant flirtations and generally leave one in the position that the other 50% of the human where now a source of nightmarish pain & suffering.
The only other really, really awful example of female gamers being naughty, was one of the last years I attended the old Toronto GT's.
This individual was shall we say, rather 'hefty'. And wore a very tight sleeveless top, with no 'support' underneath... They'd then proceed to lean across the table, and guys were constantly torn between awkwardness and yet, wanting to catch a souvenir due to the constant threat of 'falling out across the table'.
Gives new meaning to the age old "Jugger Lord" however!
I don't know whether to be creeped out or amused by this.
TheEyeOfNight- I swear, this thread is 70% smack talk, 20% RP organization, and 10% butt jokes
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum
The only other really, really awful example of female gamers being naughty, was one of the last years I attended the old Toronto GT's.
This individual was shall we say, rather 'hefty'. And wore a very tight sleeveless top, with no 'support' underneath... They'd then proceed to lean across the table, and guys were constantly torn between awkwardness and yet, wanting to catch a souvenir due to the constant threat of 'falling out across the table'.
Gives new meaning to the age old "Jugger Lord" however!
Lol Exalted! It must have been something like this:
Spoiler:
Anyway, I have a couple of incidents that really irked me at the time:
One night, I was playing a 1k points game of 40k with a relative newbie (I had Khorne Daemonkin, he had Dark Angels). The game is not what's important here, though. While we were playing, some old dude knocked my army bag down, spilling my minis everywhere. An honest mistake, but I was irritated. What really got me was that the stupid old fart just kept walking as though nothing had happened. No apology, no nothing. I was ready to go get up in his face, but my Christian nature won out and I just let him go. Still bugs me that people are that careless.
The other thing was much more recent. I was playing a game with a friend of mine at my FLGS, and someone else had brought a kid with severe autism or something into the store and just let him do whatever. The kid picked up my friend's Maelstrom cards and just scattered them everywhere, then put one of my friend's dice in his mouth. Fortunately at that point the kid's dad intervened and apologized. The kid's actions don't bother me really (Autism is a terrible thing for a child to have to deal with, and I feel sorry for any kid with that condition), what bugs me about this incident is that the dad just let the kid run loose knowing full well of his disability. A game store is not a good place for an autistic child to run loose. He could have damaged something expensive or hurt himself without ever realizing it. That's bad parenting right there.
My armies (re-counted and updated on 11/7/24, including modeled wargear options):
Dark Angels: ~16000 Astra Militarum: ~1200 | Imperial Knights: ~2300 | Leagues of Votann: ~1300 | Tyranids: ~3400 | Stormcast Eternals: ~5000 | Kruleboyz: ~3500 | Lumineth Realm-Lords: ~700
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My mate is seriously thinking about packing his models up if it happens again. 
I don't like pick up games at that store. Everyone in my gaming group knows me as the 'rules guru' and I'm right 99.9% of the time when it comes to 
) don't really like younger players. It's just bad for the community, since sooner or later, those same players won't be playing, and no newcomers will've gotten into the game.
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~16000 Astra Militarum: 
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