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**RiTides**

$6 each is the cheapest right? Not bad for skirmish but yeah makes it a bit crazy for a mass battle.

**Yodhrin**

RiTides wrote:
$6 each is the cheapest right? Not bad for skirmish but yeah makes it a bit crazy for a mass battle.

But it IS a skirmish game RiTides! Honest injun it is! Pay no attention to the WD articles recommending you buy multiples of each kit, or the promo photos with hundreds of models, it is totes a skirmish game, GW pinkie-swears it.

**ImAGeek**

Yodhrin wrote:
RiTides wrote:
$6 each is the cheapest right? Not bad for skirmish but yeah makes it a bit crazy for a mass battle.

But it IS a skirmish game RiTides! Honest injun it is! Pay no attention to the WD articles recommending you buy multiples of each kit, or the promo photos with hundreds of models, it is totes a skirmish game, GW pinkie-swears it.

Obviously they're gonna want you to buy lots for it. Doesn't mean it doesn't work well as a skirmish game or that you're forced to buy lots to play it.

**NAVARRO**

I would imagine that you would probably not need more than one box of each for AoS.

**Accolade**

The AOS bundles are a pretty good deal! I think that's a good move- if the game is so unstructured and up to player agreements/planning, it would help that the kits aren't priced so high.

However, those dwarves sound pretty expensive, especially given they're dwarves and not as big as other models. This follows what I've been expecting for AOS- cheapened boxes for old armies, but blisteringly expensive releases for all new kits. I guess time will tell if that's a good strategy.

**RoperPG**

Accolade wrote:
The AOS bundles are a pretty good deal! I think that's a good move- if the game is so unstructured and up to player agreements/planning, it would help that the kits aren't priced so high.

However, those dwarves sound pretty expensive, especially given they're dwarves and not as big as other models. This follows what I've been expecting for AOS- cheapened boxes for old armies, but blisteringly expensive releases for all new kits. I guess time will tell if that's a good strategy.

One of the things I've noticed with the new AoS stuff is that it makes much better use of the volume afforded by larger round bases.
Dwarfs previously had to fit/rank up on a 20x20mm box, and still be Dwarf height.
With a non-ranking 25mm base (minimum), I'd expect to see far more dynamic posing - even for Dwarfs - bigger hair, bigger axes, etc. etc. But we'll see in a few days, I guess.

**warboss**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Am I reading this right?

Get Started Skitarii bundle:

1 Tech-Priesty Guy
10 Skitarii
1 Walker Thingy

AUD$140

Bought individually, $240.

It's literally AUD$100 off. What am I missing?

Maybe it's in 18mm.

**RiTides**

Just to be clear I meant the comment genuinely - it's not a bad price for a skirmish game at all. However, I'm running my dwarfs for mass / ranked battles so probably won't be of much use... still very interested in seeing them!

**Bottle**

I cannot wait!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think they'll all be on 32mm rounds. As bulky as Grimm Burloksonn is.

**Yodhrin**

ImAGeek wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
RiTides wrote:
$6 each is the cheapest right? Not bad for skirmish but yeah makes it a bit crazy for a mass battle.

But it IS a skirmish game RiTides! Honest injun it is! Pay no attention to the WD articles recommending you buy multiples of each kit, or the promo photos with hundreds of models, it is totes a skirmish game, GW pinkie-swears it.

Obviously they're gonna want you to buy lots for it. Doesn't mean it doesn't work well as a skirmish game or that you're forced to buy lots to play it.

Yes and you can play 40K at 750 points, but most people don't. GW clearly want AoS to be a Fantasy version of 40K, which means they'll pitch it as a "cinematic skirmish game" when it suits them, but most of their marketing(such as it is) and add-on content will be geared towards steering the community into adopting a much bigger standard game size.

**Bottle**

There are a few factors in place to encourage larger armies (such as units getting more effective and unlocking abilities at higher numbers and the warscroll battalions). But really there is isn't much incentive to play AoS large scale in my experience.

There's no points, no percentages for Core, Heroes, Lords, Special and Rare - nothing as intrinsic as rank bonus or horde rules. There's not really any 'standard of play' for an AoS force and my experience is it is played at a much smaller size than WHFB. Even GW seems to push this with official warhammer world events being limited to 30/60 or 100 models a side.

**DarkBlack**

Having some way of defining a standard game size would be nice (does not need to be points), for pick up games and the like.

**Da Boss**

*shrug* I think GW and PP stuff is overpriced even if it is for skirmish.

The market is much more competitive now. I've got a lot more options than paying full price for a pretty pathetic number of models.

Stuff like the new boxed deals are a great idea, and I'm all for it, but it's true that they only look so good because the basic kits have become so expensive.

**Yodhrin**

Bottle wrote:
There are a few factors in place to encourage larger armies (such as units getting more effective and unlocking abilities at higher numbers and the warscroll battalions). But really there is isn't much incentive to play AoS large scale in my experience.

There's no points, no percentages for Core, Heroes, Lords, Special and Rare - nothing as intrinsic as rank bonus or horde rules. There's not really any 'standard of play' for an AoS force and my experience is it is played at a much smaller size than WHFB. Even GW seems to push this with official warhammer world events being limited to 30/60 or 100 models a side.

A 60 model/side game where the models cost around £5-ish and £20-ish each for infantry and cavalry respectively on average, which is where GW seem to be heading with the new miniatures, is actually *more* expensive than many WHFB armies were.

Which is rather my point; the "standard" game size that GW seem to be hoping people will gravitate towards might be smaller in terms of number of models on the table than WHFB, but the prices are still high enough that the total outlay is going to be similar, so making the "it's skirmish so you need less models" line doesn't work.

**Bottle**

Don't really get your point Yodrin, first you say GW are pushing towards larger games, then you say the prices are expensive so it doesn't matter if people don't play large games.

If your point was that the prices are expensive, then sure, no disagreement there.

**Alpharius**

NEWS and RUMORS in here everyone.

NEWS and RUMORS.

**Wulfson_40K**

Some quote thievery, still coming from the previous source:

The way the scales are done, especially on the head, they kind of remind me of the demon/dragon design I would expect from Japanese or Korean video games. (multiple horns, heavily segmented horns instead of a smooth single piece).

There are two models, one carry some sort of Runemaster on a throne (which alas I find looks like he has a broom up his...), the other a lord with some awesome weapons, some actually designed long enough that the dwarf can hit something smaller than a Carnosaur with it.

Keywords are Order, Duardin, Fyreslayers.

A few more nuggets of info from the WD:
- Fyreslayers are born from the fight between Grimnir and Vulcatrix.
- Fyreslayers believe that in Ur-Gold resides the essence of Grimnir, their shattered God.
- Ur-Gold is magical. There is a funny rule when you play a Runemaster where your opponent chooses one of his units as carrying some gold, and thanks to it said unit can reroll all 1 to wound. But better not let the Runemaster get close enough and realize you are carrying the gold or the Fyreslayers will go all chop chop on you.
- When they insert Ur-Gold runes in their flesh, their God's energy starts flowing through their vein. This lead to things like being surrounded by flames, striking harder, more resilient skin (I suppose that's why they have 5+ save).

This is how each of their chapters is organized:
- Chapter mast.. no wait what am I saying? I mean Auric Runefather.
- Below that is the Auric Runemaster (the one in the WD)
- Auric Runesmiters
- Grimwrath Berzerkers
- Auric Runesons
- Hearthguard Berzerkers and Auric Hearthguard (the ones in the WD)
- Battlesmiths
- Vulkite Berzerkers (the ones in the WD)

PS- They're not actually called Chapters as you already guessed, but I don't know how to translate the real name in English.

Sorry but there are quite frankly too many things in the WD for me to read everything.

More seriously, you have to keep in mind that these models are very naked, and you know that GW always has issues when doing muscles and they are no exception. But considering they didn't go all Rob Liefield on them and considering the positive reaction people had regarding the new Blood Marauders replacements (whatever they are called) I expect the Fyreslayers design will be well received.

Current casualties: 1 Rob Liefield

**Bottle**

I was just reading the thread ready to post stuff in here

Very interested to see the salamander and its East-Asian dragon inspired head!

Cannot wait for this coming White Dwarf actually. If it pictures the entire range it's going to help me choose which unit I am going for (as I'll only be getting one I think).

**Wulfson_40K**

Bottle wrote:
Very interested to see the salamander and its East-Asian dragon inspired head!

I think its choice of words is poor on that one thought. I see where he is coming by referring Asian video games, but I fear a lot of people won't think about modern game like Monster Hunters or Final Fantasy where the dragon shape is actually heavily inspired by the classical European dragon, but instead think about the traditional Chinese Dragon.

**Bottle**

Ah yes, my mistake. Well I am intrigued to see a Korean MMO style salamander then

**BorderCountess**

-Grimwrath Berzerkers

...

Not even trying anymore, are they?

-edit for spelling-

**H.B.M.C.**

Ah c'mon. They missed a prime opportunity to call them Grimdark Berzerkers.

**RiTides**

Darn, beat me to the Grimwrath comment

Agreed that Grimdark would've been epic!

**angelofvengeance**

Grimwrath... Really??!!

**ImAGeek**

Can't wait to see some pictures of this fire drake thing.

**Mymearan**

angelofvengeance wrote:
Grimwrath... Really??!!

Grim- is well established as a prefix ( Grimnir is the slayer God after all), although it does sound funnier when suffixed with -wrath...

**H.B.M.C.**

Yeah Grimwrath really isn't that bad in the GW scheme of things. They're no Nemesis Doom Fists or Dreadnought Blood Fists.

I'm just sad they took the Hearthguard name for some of their units. That was a Squat thing and, in a perfect world, the name for the Veteran Devastator Squad that they should have made for Marine armies.

**VeteranNoob**

Please point me to the answer if someone already spoke to this but with the move in GW plastics, which I quite like, of anchoring a dynamic pose, I wonder if new AoS duardin will be versions of improvements on the dragon slayer.

**jimmyjimjam01**

[MOD EDIT - RULE #1, AMONG OTHERS - ALPHARIUS]

**Pojko**

Da Boss wrote:
*shrug* I think GW and PP stuff is overpriced even if it is for skirmish.

The market is much more competitive now. I've got a lot more options than paying full price for a pretty pathetic number of models.

Stuff like the new boxed deals are a great idea, and I'm all for it, but it's true that they only look so good because the basic kits have become so expensive.

Exactly. GW customers have been conditioned to their outrageous prices for so long, so now their "deals" look great in comparison. In reality they're still too much.

While I'll never buy them since I don't play Dwarves, I too am interested in seeing these new Fire Slayers. Basically anything that can be used for previous editions/9th age intrigues me.