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Well, its not like it would last very long - Dominions are too vital to our early game to try and save them at the back just to keep the power alive.

The alternative is to limit it to "the whole detachment gains the ability on the turn it is activated", instead of just "always on while the unit's alive"

I think the best (and safest) method to update the Sisters would be through a campaign book. A selection of formations making our less useful units more viable, while avoiding wholesale changes to what I think is a very intuitive and uncluttered codex. I just don't trust GW's writers to not feth stuff up these days!

 the_Armyman wrote:
I think the best (and safest) method to update the Sisters would be through a campaign book. A selection of formations making our less useful units more viable, while avoiding wholesale changes to what I think is a very intuitive and uncluttered codex. I just don't trust GW's writers to not feth stuff up these days!

Exactly this! Something along the lines of the Kauyon treatment for Raven Guard would be great. In my opinion there are only the few sub par units in the Dex (PE's, Repentia, Celestians, Canoness) that just need a few small tweeks that formations could easily fix.

PE's and Repentia formation that allows them to get across the table quickly and get stuck in while allowing for a bit more durability while doing so. PE's with shrouded, Repentia with a specific allowance for them to assault from a non assault vehicle, its not like we want them to assault from deep strike on turn one. Throw in increased fnp or allow a +1 to their invuln.

Celestian formation that grants holy ammunition that ignores cover, armor bane/flesh bane and increases their invuln save by 1.

Canoness would benefit greatly from increased availability of relics ideally with a few new ones, use of a jump pack and a leadership position in a lot of the formations. Allowing the units within a formation to use their act of faith each turn while the attached canoness is alive fits with the fluff. Perhaps allowing different types of units in a formation to all use one of the units acts of faith. Retributors coupled with a few battle sister squads to allow the canoness to give them all the retributors rend would be lots of fun.

Allowing the Canoness within formations to modify the acts of faith rules would allow the current acts to remain as they are just with increased usage and customization.

It's bizarre there weren't formations for SoB it that Shield of Baal book.

I like the Rhino so I'd be ok with an assault version, but honestly I think just giving the Repentia a special rule to allow them to assault out of vehicles (maybe just ones from our codex to avoid turn 1 assault from allied drop pods, and limit it to only if no other characters join to avoid things pulling a beat stick from another codex in) would be preferable to getting a cheap assault vehicle of our own. I don't want to be the codex that people take minimum units from just for access to cheap assault vehicles.

I didn't play when we had Witch Hunters but I wouldn't mind too much if we went back to having the Inquisition units available without allies. At the same time though I feel like it would make it easier for GW to avoid ever putting more Sisters or Inquisition units into the individual books. So in the end I'd prefer to keep the two factions separate.

Basically I want our codex to be this book that's competitive in the right hands but also has flavor that lends itself to playing fun, fluffy games without crushing your opponent. Yeah that's a lot to ask, but I feel like that's what every codex should be.

If SoB get an assault rhino, and Chaos doesn't, there would be a riot

Gamers always riot so I am unconcerned with that element.

They need to sell SoB worse.

 Jancoran wrote:
The Adepta Sororitas are one of the most prolific users of special weapons in 40K. They don't get them for FREE like certain War Convocations we won't mention (oops).

The Adepta Sororitas are also very good when they are all able to slap themselves in 8 or 9 Rhinos. Unfortunately not as free a rhino as certain Space Marines we won't mention (oops).

So if the Sisters of Battle gain a digital upgrade to their codex (best case scenario) or a new one with new Formations, which direction might GW go in giving the otherwise somewhat disadvantaged Sisters of Battle a boost?

Would you rather they got a Formation that gives you a Space Marine type armored corps, or would you like to see a "Free special weapons" thing happen instead?

In my games, in the CURRENT codex, the armored approach has been the better one because Sisters of Battle just won't stand up to concentrated fire and with Tau and such... So I lean more to the side of an armored formation.

A universal 5 point drop would be where I would start but w/e
Firstly, make shield of faith work like reanimation protocols (keeping it on vehicles, no way to reduce it even strength D-6 rolls, get invul/cover/FNP on top), Then have the big decurion bonus be +1 to shield of faith, +6" range to melta weaponry, +1 strength to templates.
Then have a formation with basic sisters, a canoness, a sororitas command squad(New AOF is relentless), w/e else, and have it make multi-meltas Salvo1/3 also Obsec. So a sororitas command squad in an immolator would have 18 30" range melta shots, 3 of them twin linked, after moving 12 inches for the squad, 6 for the tank.
Another formation with celestine Seraphim and retirbutors gives all template weapons torrent.
Throw in Free Flakk Missiles on Exorcists and call it a day, for mech at least.

Also repentia should be on bikes.


For blob sisters you'd need a whole seperate set of crap but I only really play mech soo...

I'd like to see a formation that lets immolators, create witch burning pyres. One part hurt psyker casting, one part create dangerous terrain, one part score a victory point if you kill a psyker next to the pyre.

ERJAK wrote:

A universal 5 point drop would be where I would start but w/e

... You want Seven point models that are basically Space Marines, slightly more vulnerable to small arms, but much more resilient to heavy weapons?

You realise that a universal 5 point drop would make even Repentia cheaper per model than Guardsmen, right?

Like I said, a full-on assault Rhino would be a bit much but a special rule just for Repentia I think would be fair. CSM units that want to charge out of rhinos generally have a 3+ save, so they can usually weather a round of shooting before the charge.

I could see a point reduction across the board but 5 points less per model is too much. Torrent on certain models would be great too, and fit our theme, but not on everything. Immolators maybe, AoF for it on retributors or something, but not on regular Sisters or Seraphim. Hand flamers just wouldn't have that kind of power. Repentia on bikes doesn't make much sense, I think. Dominions could make it work but a squad that's designed specifically to be a suicide squad, where they won't even spend the resources to give them armor, certainly wouldn't be worth giving bikes.

What you're suggesting makes us as bad as Tau or Eldar. I want to win because I'm a better strategist, not because I have an army of scatter bikes with reanimation protocols.

Yoyoyo wrote:
It's bizarre there weren't formations for SoB it that Shield of Baal book.

Yep - it was - an great opportunity missed..............

The biggest obstacle to seeing any movement on rules for the Sisters is models. GW writes rules to move product, and there's no interest in writing rules for an all metal faction. Why write a formation for Immolators when they don't sell Immolators anymore?

 the_Armyman wrote:
The biggest obstacle to seeing any movement on rules for the Sisters is models. GW writes rules to move product, and there's no interest in writing rules for an all metal faction. Why write a formation for Immolators when they don't sell Immolators anymore?

Well they aren't going to sell any if they don't make any too. Of course if the rules were worth much maybe they would have sold more. Its a vicious cycle. I must own 11 of the things plus 5 Exorcists. How many more do I need to buy before we start getting new models. As a marine player I don't even own that many other rhino chassis vehicles.

 Jancoran wrote:
Gamers always riot so I am unconcerned with that element.

They need to sell SoB worse.

The answer is obvious: Give them mutilators!

They will be unstoppable.

You're so optimistic. Why would we get anything at all?

So... is this a discussion on what formation bonuses you'd give to the existing sisters army? Or are we venturing into another sororitas wish list thread?

Because I do like sororitas wish list threads, they're awesome when they aren't awful.

As for formations for the existing army though, there's a fundamental problem: formations are fairly transparent gimmicks to sell models, and Games Workshop has made it very clear they don't want to sell more sororitas models.

As it stands I'd presume none of these formations would feature the immolator, so the requisite mismatched vehicle formation can only really be exorcists that need to stay within close proximity of a penitent engine for some reason.

I could also see a terrifyingly squishy squad of 5 priests being a thing. Faith point battery?

I imagine you will get something like 'Vengeance squads', super-OP jump infantry with scatterless deep strike and Torrent flame weapons, but because they appear as miracles to avenge fallen SoB forces they can't appear unless the rest of your army is dead. And due to a RAW error (oddly reinforced by a FAQ) that means they can never arrive because by then you have already autolost via tabling.

It seems like just the kind of thing you would receive for your long wait.

 andrewm9 wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
The biggest obstacle to seeing any movement on rules for the Sisters is models. GW writes rules to move product, and there's no interest in writing rules for an all metal faction. Why write a formation for Immolators when they don't sell Immolators anymore?

Well they aren't going to sell any if they don't make any too. Of course if the rules were worth much maybe they would have sold more. Its a vicious cycle. I must own 11 of the things plus 5 Exorcists. How many more do I need to buy before we start getting new models. As a marine player I don't even own that many other rhino chassis vehicles.

In GW's eyes, you don't matter. Unless you plan on buying MOAR!!

 Furyou Miko wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

A universal 5 point drop would be where I would start but w/e

... You want Seven point models that are basically Space Marines, slightly more vulnerable to small arms, but much more resilient to heavy weapons?

You realise that a universal 5 point drop would make even Repentia cheaper per model than Guardsmen, right?

I think he must be joking.


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 Captain Joystick wrote:
So... is this a discussion on what formation bonuses you'd give to the existing sisters army? Or are we venturing into another sororitas wish list thread?

Because I do like sororitas wish list threads, they're awesome when they aren't awful.

As for formations for the existing army though, there's a fundamental problem: formations are fairly transparent gimmicks to sell models, and Games Workshop has made it very clear they don't want to sell more sororitas models.

As it stands I'd presume none of these formations would feature the immolator, so the requisite mismatched vehicle formation can only really be exorcists that need to stay within close proximity of a penitent engine for some reason.

I could also see a terrifyingly squishy squad of 5 priests being a thing. Faith point battery?

Priests are really good. They help a lot when you want to put boots on the ground and play less armored corps.

 Jancoran wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

A universal 5 point drop would be where I would start but w/e

... You want Seven point models that are basically Space Marines, slightly more vulnerable to small arms, but much more resilient to heavy weapons?

You realise that a universal 5 point drop would make even Repentia cheaper per model than Guardsmen, right?

I think he must be joking.

I meant for the squad total, not per model i.e. Basic sisters go from 65 to 60, Celestine goes to 130, Seraphim to 70 etc, any changes like biker repentia would add points back on from that amount. I would drop most models added after the initial squad cost 2 points but that's only to get even numbers, sick of being at 1497 or w/e.

So I just want a special detachment that gives the following command benefits:

-Acts of Faith may be used every turn instead of once per game.

-Units in this detachment are treated as LD10 for purposes of passing Acts of Faith.

That would be awesome and GW could spike their sales by adding the silly taxes like all other Decurion-esque detachments. Other tweaks would be nice but not necessary.

 Jancoran wrote:

Priests are really good. They help a lot when you want to put boots on the ground and play less armored corps.

Yes. And burying them in a unit to soak up wounds contributes to that effectiveness. Ethereals benefit the same way, and GW opted to give them a formation that makes them a more important target while simultaneously making it easier to kill them.

 Captain Joystick wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

Priests are really good. They help a lot when you want to put boots on the ground and play less armored corps.

Yes. And burying them in a unit to soak up wounds contributes to that effectiveness. Ethereals benefit the same way, and GW opted to give them a formation that makes them a more important target while simultaneously making it easier to kill them.

Which is why I don't trust them to give us a good codex. I'd rather they just leave us alone than feth everything up.

I don't see how they can make anything worse. The current codex is kinda meh and model range needs a dark eldar style reboot.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I don't see how they can make anything worse. The current codex is kinda meh and model range needs a dark eldar style reboot.

Then you have never actually tried playing with the current codex. We're firmly middle tier.

By that definition, almost all are. I can't name more than three codex's that are "scary" in comparison. Sisters of Battle have won me more tournaments than any other army. True story. And in case you're wondering, that number is not low. =)

I meant Meh in the sense that I don't see much variety and uniqueness compared to what I envision a rebooted sisters codex can be.

I agree that the army is able to compete well these days but I feel that this army along with tyranids and chaos marines are a book that GW has never gotten right.

well... Variety is cool. I'm not sure its entirely necessary. But they had that variety as Witch Hunters.

I'd love to see more priest/ church units in the book, perhaps some sort of loyalist version of cultists that represent a mob of frateris militia