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While can always just use my Heresy Emperor's Children as Codex: Space Marines and be happy, I'd like to know if it would be possible for some loyal band of Emperor's Children to have separated from the legion early-heresy and continued fighting the enemies of the Emperor as loyal space marines (On the run from the Imperium itself, as the Emperor's Children would have been deemed heretics)?

I have found that there's a theory that the Red Scorpions and Death Eagles (I think, could have been another chapter and I'm getting them muddled - do correct me if I am) are loyal chapters derived from the Emperor's Children, so I'm just wondering if fluff-wise I could forge something similar to have loyal Emperor's Children in 40k.

Any input is appreciated.

It's possible, the only issue is how they can keep themselves supplied and at strength from the Heresy to the 41st millennium.

Immaterium time travel mumbo jumbo. Say they were from the HH and came to the 41st millenium. When they found out about Fulgrim they got all drepressed and went on a repentance crusade

 War Kitten wrote:
It's possible, the only issue is how they can keep themselves supplied and at strength from the Heresy to the 41st millennium.

That assumes that the chapter hasn't been given "witness protection" by the Imperium. Assuming that the Death Eagles are Emperor's Children, the lore states that they disappeared for a time, only to reappear later with the records stating they're a Raven Guard successor. So they don't seem to have any trouble requisitioning materials from the rest of the Imperium.

 War Kitten wrote:
It's possible, the only issue is how they can keep themselves supplied and at strength from the Heresy to the 41st millennium.

Good point. While, as far as I am aware, most Imperial ships are fairly self-sufficient (Save for fuel) I think they could get by if they had a decent Tech-Marine and fairly well stocked manufactorum (Or whatever you call where Space Marines repair and upkeep their equipment on a spaceship). Or do you think a Space Marine chapter could adopt a homeworld in human renegade (non-chaos) space? Or perhaps even operate in Imperial Space on the down-low? It's that or stealing/taking supplies from the dead.

I'd like to hear if anyone has anything on that idea too. Cheers.

jareddm wrote:
Assuming that the Death Eagles are Emperor's Children, the lore states that they disappeared for a time, only to reappear later with the records stating they're a Raven Guard successor.

Have you got a source for that? Sounds like you might have them mixed up with the Carcharadons.

 Gashrog wrote:

jareddm wrote:
Assuming that the Death Eagles are Emperor's Children, the lore states that they disappeared for a time, only to reappear later with the records stating they're a Raven Guard successor.

Have you got a source for that? Sounds like you might have them mixed up with the Carcharadons.

Book Four: Conquest, of the Horus Heresy forge world books. There was a loyalist contingent of Emperor's Children called the Death Eagles during the Horus Heresy. The scholar historian writing the book wonders if they eventually became the current modern day loyalist chapter that's named the Death Eagles, but all he can conclude is that "it's possible." (although if true, they'd cover up that they're Emperor's Children for reasons of honor).

Which basically answers the OP's question on whether or not an Emperor Children loyalist contingent can survive to become an actual chapter. You pretty much have the closest thing you can get to an official canon fluff statement saying "It's possible." Though they'd have long ago hidden/wiped from the record that they're from the Emperor's Children for reasons of honor.

They could be similar to what the Death Eagles might be - Loyalist remnant from the Heresy, but changed some part of their livery. Alternatively, trapped in the Warp for ten milennia.

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Gashrog wrote:

jareddm wrote:
Assuming that the Death Eagles are Emperor's Children, the lore states that they disappeared for a time, only to reappear later with the records stating they're a Raven Guard successor.

Have you got a source for that? Sounds like you might have them mixed up with the Carcharadons.

Book Four: Conquest, of the Horus Heresy forge world books. There was a loyalist contingent of Emperor's Children called the Death Eagles during the Horus Heresy. The scholar historian writing the book wonders if they eventually became the current modern day loyalist chapter that's named the Death Eagles, but all he can conclude is that "it's possible." (although if true, they'd cover up that they're Emperor's Children for reasons of honor)..

I was referring to the quoted sentence about the Death Eagles chapter, not the bit about the Emperor's Children's 34th Millennial.

I doubt it. The whole point of the Istvaan Massacre is that the Sons of Horus, the Death Guard, the World Eaters and the Emperors Children all eradicated the loyalists in their Legions.

 Chaos Spawn wrote:
I doubt it. The whole point of the Istvaan Massacre is that the Sons of Horus, the Death Guard, the World Eaters and the Emperors Children all eradicated the loyalists in their Legions.

Large, known elements, yes. The books are already full of one off or small contingents which have broken away and running with the 'good guys'.

The Ultramarines have loyalist Iron Warriors with them.

Loyalist World Eaters side with the Ultras on the Word Bearer ship that is headed to Calth.

Lokken survives, Garro and a number of Death Guard survive....

Isn't there a Thousand Son who sides with the loyalists after Prospero, having not heard of the burning yet?

It's certainly possible to have a few hundred missed in the call up for Istvaan. They could have previously been lost and assumed dead, been outside of contact range, other. These would be groups small enough that they would not appear to pose any threat.

OK, but just one thing.
I NEVER mentioned Thousand Sons.
They weren't at Istvaan, as the Burning of Prosero took place before it.
They're very different from the other Traitor Legion. They are kind of the Accidental Traitor, who unwillingly succumbed to Horus' plans, unlike the other Legions. I mean, Magnus even tried to warn the Emperor about Horus!

 Chaos Spawn wrote:

Isn't there a Thousand Son who sides with the loyalists after Prospero, having not heard of the burning yet?

I dunno if it's what you're referring to, but before the burning of prospero, Magnus sent off a fleet that was part of the Corivdae (or something like that. It meant Raven) branch of the Thousand Sons. Later on, one of their leads returns to investigate what happened. The general implication from various hints and prophecies are that they became the loyalist chapter of Blood Ravens (and by implications, I mean a big fat sledgehammer of "well, DUH" that's so blatantly obvious that some people opposed to the idea of Blood Ravens being from the Thousand Sons say it's TOO obvious)


But yea, they don't have anything to do with Istvaan. There are quite a few loyalists or guys who just didn't get the memo that weren't at Istvaan, though, probably by nature of the Galaxy and scope of the Great Crusade being friggin' huge.

I heard the Red Scorpions are a loyalist faction of the Emperors Children. One Captain defected to the Red Corsairs because he wasn't promoted to Chapter Master. Seems like Emperors Children behavior to me.

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Chaos Spawn wrote:

Isn't there a Thousand Son who sides with the loyalists after Prospero, having not heard of the burning yet?

I dunno if it's what you're referring to, but before the burning of prospero, Magnus sent off a fleet that was part of the Corivdae (or something like that. It meant Raven) branch of the Thousand Sons. Later on, one of their leads returns to investigate what happened. The general implication from various hints and prophecies are that they became the loyalist chapter of Blood Ravens (and by implications, I mean a big fat sledgehammer of "well, DUH" that's so blatantly obvious that some people opposed to the idea of Blood Ravens being from the Thousand Sons say it's TOO obvious)


But yea, they don't have anything to do with Istvaan. There are quite a few loyalists or guys who just didn't get the memo that weren't at Istvaan, though, probably by nature of the Galaxy and scope of the Great Crusade being friggin' huge.

The point wa smore that the galaxy is so big and the legions so scattered that not everyone could be brought in and killed off or turned to Chaos.

The vast majority would have been sufficient over thecourse of the heresy. Stragglers would have been insufficient and oftencome in only to be forced into corruption or killed.

How many would have been lost to the warp or on some long range patrol or other instance amd thus made them miss the opening moves?

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Immaterium time travel mumbo jumbo. Say they were from the HH and came to the 41st millenium. When they found out about Fulgrim they got all drepressed and went on a repentance crusade

This solves all the problems...