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 Zywus wrote:

 Mysterious Pants wrote:
What's going on? All of my favorite sculpts are going away forever, and being replaced by this ?

It's like every single time I check in to see what's going on with Age of Sigmar and GW lately it gets me pissed off. I'm very thankful that I can just stick with good old Warhammer Fantasy that I'm used to and pretend that the last year never happened.

What the hell happened to his torso?!

Remember kids, don't do CHAOS!

Oh well, not a whole lot of important Empire stuff is gone, so they aint gonna get squatted

 Zywus wrote:

 Mysterious Pants wrote:
What's going on? All of my favorite sculpts are going away forever, and being replaced by this ?



It's like every single time I check in to see what's going on with Age of Sigmar and GW lately it gets me pissed off. I'm very thankful that I can just stick with good old Warhammer Fantasy that I'm used to and pretend that the last year never happened.

What the hell happened to his torso?!

Bad CAD-design?

I dont see a problem

 Mymearan wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

Clanan wrote:
Haha, I know, Grim. As a newbie/fan of AoS, the constant wailing and gnashing of teeth can grate.

Don't worry, with the huge success of Age of Sigmar... that will be going into the Last Chance bin soon enough.

The Auld Grump

Hope so, you're one of the last holdouts.

Hold outs for what?

Locally, AoS was dead on arrival - and that has not changed.

Even the dedicated GW store (as opposed to the GW GW store) is dropping the game, and hasn't even bothered running games for it in three months.

By comparison, Warhammer Fantasy Battle at least got weekly games. (WH40K hogged the table most days of the week....)

So Fantasy went from being less popular to unplayed. Not an improvement.

The Auld Grump - what I have heard from elsewhere... does not make my area sound at all unique.

Have you guys seen what's happening to old Warhammer BL novel prices? It seems like the more recent Time of Legends books are going for stupid high prices on Amazon, B and N, and ABE. Now I have to choose between panic buying Bretonnians or books.

I'm always willing to sell my Bretonnians at six to ten times retail to anyone who wants.

Bretonnia was one of my favorite Warhammer things, but the miniature range was never really that awesome and they haven't been fun to play for years. In fact, Fantasy battle hasn't been fun to play for years, and AOS looks even worse. I might hit my FLGS and pick up a couple of the blisters I've been eyeing in the back of the rack for a few years before they get Breotan's idea. I did like the questing knights though. I expect 3rd party sculptors will take up the slack. I did want another box of men at arms for 40K conversions though.

Clanan wrote:

 Ankhalagon wrote:
What new customers? Here are none. Killing of WFB and replaceing it with a bad joke. Making a gigantic mess out of 40k. Crushing the fantasy-range.
Well done, GW!

False. I'm a new customer because of AoS. (Yay anecdata!). I'm excited that GW is cleaning house and I can't wait to see what come's next. Although I can certainly understand the sadness in seeing one's favorite stuff get retired. But I come from video games, where everything is retired within months or a few years.

You're not the only one. I've been playing Fantasy for a while now and a friend of mine who really liked the models wouldn't play due to the system. Thanks to AoS, he bought and plays with those models now. As a Tomb King player, I'm sad to see things go, but I understand the business reasoning behind it. I actually like Age of Sigmar, but definitely not for the reasons I like 6th and 8th.

What the hell. The plastic Cannon, Freecompany and empire knights are all going OOP? The Free Company and Cannon are great models.

edit: Just saw the gore chosen kit. $105 for 3 plastic models? wth.

 gobskrag 'eadbasha wrote:

Clanan wrote:

 Ankhalagon wrote:
What new customers? Here are none. Killing of WFB and replaceing it with a bad joke. Making a gigantic mess out of 40k. Crushing the fantasy-range.
Well done, GW!

False. I'm a new customer because of AoS. (Yay anecdata!). I'm excited that GW is cleaning house and I can't wait to see what come's next. Although I can certainly understand the sadness in seeing one's favorite stuff get retired. But I come from video games, where everything is retired within months or a few years.

You're not the only one. I've been playing Fantasy for a while now and a friend of mine who really liked the models wouldn't play due to the system. Thanks to AoS, he bought and plays with those models now. As a Tomb King player, I'm sad to see things go, but I understand the business reasoning behind it. I actually like Age of Sigmar, but definitely not for the reasons I like 6th and 8th.

Hastings over on Warseer, the most reliable Fantasy rumourmonger we had save perhaps Harry, has stated categorically that the folk he knows at GWHQ(where he got all his accurate rumours previously, one must assume) have told him AoS has been a colossal flop, so the "business reasoning" perhaps wasn't as flawless as GW assumed.

And no, the smug, Cheshire Cat-like grin that's been plastered across my face since I read that post yesterday doesn't have anything to do with that news, how dare anyone make such a scurrilous suggestion

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Have you guys seen what's happening to old Warhammer BL novel prices? It seems like the more recent Time of Legends books are going for stupid high prices on Amazon, B and N, and ABE. Now I have to choose between panic buying Bretonnians or books.

I would buy the books if you want them. I picked up more Brets than I should have this past year so I can send some knights and bowmen your way if you need some.

 Zywus wrote:

 Mysterious Pants wrote:
What's going on? All of my favorite sculpts are going away forever, and being replaced by this ?

Spoiler:

It's like every single time I check in to see what's going on with Age of Sigmar and GW lately it gets me pissed off. I'm very thankful that I can just stick with good old Warhammer Fantasy that I'm used to and pretend that the last year never happened.

What the hell happened to his torso?!

I think Rob Liefield moved to making models or something .

 Yodhrin wrote:


Hastings over on Warseer, the most reliable Fantasy rumourmonger we had save perhaps Harry, has stated categorically that the folk he knows at GWHQ(where he got all his accurate rumours previously, one must assume) have told him AoS has been a colossal flop, so the "business reasoning" perhaps wasn't as flawless as GW assumed.

And no, the smug, Cheshire Cat-like grin that's been plastered across my face since I read that post yesterday doesn't have anything to do with that news, how dare anyone make such a scurrilous suggestion

Before you die of smug, it's important to remember that AoS flopping doesn't mean the return of the Fantasy game we know and love, it just means GW will abandon that line altogether. Not suddenly, of course, but more like how they've steadily abandoned the Hobbit. Technically they still support the Hobbit, but they don't sell it in-store anymore and they don't keep any of the rulebooks out for use.

So it's not something to celebrate/feel smug over - GW took a huge risk (and frankly an ill-advised one) and it failed, so they'll likely cut their losses and by this time in three years only 40k will be properly supported, and if that doesn't make you glum I don't know what will.

Mind you, the Hobbit Throne of Skulls tournament has sold out or very nearly sold out at 100ish tickets. Warhammer World is also stuffing the store with Hobbit SBG products for that weekend too.

They've also hired new staff for the Lord of the Rings SBG.

I'll piss myself laughing if The Hobbit ends up supplanting Age of Sigmararines as the 2nd Core System.

I think they'll probably let that specialist game section handle the Hobbit stuff eventually.

Agreed with Dr.Delorean that GW will drop fantasy if it tanks too badly in the following years. They may continue to use it for a game license, though.

Wouldn't put alot of stock in Hastings and Harry, they have had some good rumors but they aren't always perfect (Brets in April, HA) and they could've changed "low sales" into "colossal flop" out of pure dislike for it. Lord knows Harry is just pure bile these days.

That's just my opinion, though.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:


So it's not something to celebrate/feel smug over - GW took a huge risk (and frankly an ill-advised one) and it failed, so they'll likely cut their losses and by this time in three years only 40k will be going into the end times, and if that doesn't make you glum I don't know what will.

Let us sing the glum song my friends.

Prestor Jon wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Have you guys seen what's happening to old Warhammer BL novel prices? It seems like the more recent Time of Legends books are going for stupid high prices on Amazon, B and N, and ABE. Now I have to choose between panic buying Bretonnians or books.

I would buy the books if you want them. I picked up more Brets than I should have this past year so I can send some knights and bowmen your way if you need some.

Thank you for the generous offer. I might take you up on that for the knights, especially pegasus knights. I've got enough bowmen already. Going to get some novels now and see if I ever get around to converting those grail knights I'd planned...later.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 gobskrag 'eadbasha wrote:

Clanan wrote:

 Ankhalagon wrote:
What new customers? Here are none. Killing of WFB and replaceing it with a bad joke. Making a gigantic mess out of 40k. Crushing the fantasy-range.
Well done, GW!

False. I'm a new customer because of AoS. (Yay anecdata!). I'm excited that GW is cleaning house and I can't wait to see what come's next. Although I can certainly understand the sadness in seeing one's favorite stuff get retired. But I come from video games, where everything is retired within months or a few years.

You're not the only one. I've been playing Fantasy for a while now and a friend of mine who really liked the models wouldn't play due to the system. Thanks to AoS, he bought and plays with those models now. As a Tomb King player, I'm sad to see things go, but I understand the business reasoning behind it. I actually like Age of Sigmar, but definitely not for the reasons I like 6th and 8th.

Hastings over on Warseer, the most reliable Fantasy rumourmonger we had save perhaps Harry, has stated categorically that the folk he knows at GWHQ(where he got all his accurate rumours previously, one must assume) have told him AoS has been a colossal flop, so the "business reasoning" perhaps wasn't as flawless as GW assumed.

And no, the smug, Cheshire Cat-like grin that's been plastered across my face since I read that post yesterday doesn't have anything to do with that news, how dare anyone make such a scurrilous suggestion

Yeah, I'm sure the guy who hates AoS with the fury of a thousand suns would NEVER exaggerate negative news about the game...

It might colour his words a bit but frankly with the reputation that guy has I really don't think he'd make it up entirely. He might sound a bit vindictive but there's going to be something to that for sure.

I would be quite surprised if AoS was a total failure. There are plenty of enthusiastic users on DakkaDakka (plenty of hatters too, of course...) but people always argue whether DakkaDakka is representative of the wider wargamer population or not.

I think the schools outreach programme is key for the success of AoS. That seems to have gone a bit quiet. I don't follow it, so that's one reason. GW's website is just not structured for supporting that kind of initiative, though. (Maybe it's going like Gangbusters but no-one knows because GW don't have a way to tell people about it.)

I've always seen AoS as being a slow building programme that GW will devote a couple of years to before taking a decision on its continuation.

There can be no doubt that sales of AOS stuff have not met expectations. The real question is just how far below expectations are they and is there anything GW can do to turn things around? This summer's board game seems like a good opportunity. I wonder what the plans are at hq.
I personally hope that GW do a second edition with a points system, but I am broadly in favour of the simplification of the rules.
I do not think GW can simply rewind the end times clock.

A possibility that may garner a lot of positive attention from the old guard is making a new game set during the war of the beard. They could keep AOS as a hero centric skirmish game if they wished, and not have to retcon their fluff. The problem is, that making a new game takes a LONG time. If they started work on it now, we would not hear anything for about 3 years.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I dont see a problem [with the torso of the speardude]

Unless it's just the angle, his torso looks deformed and impossibly wide. Look under his beard to the left side of the picture (his right) next to the orc skull.

And that's without going into his muscles being more impossibly blown up than if the Ultimate Warrior ate both Hulk Hogan and Arnold Swarzenegger and washed them down with a pint of pure steroids.

lel, that description

Like in that tale about little red something, when sh asks the wolf why its ears are so big... "Gorechosen, gorechosen, by are your muscles so big?" "So little Timmies can paint them easily". But I still like that model, kinda reminds me of Rexor from Conan.

Back on topic, dayum, that Malekith looks cheap compared to all those new things. While it's sad to see them Knights go, no hard feelings about other Empire/Elf models.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:


Hastings over on Warseer, the most reliable Fantasy rumourmonger we had save perhaps Harry, has stated categorically that the folk he knows at GWHQ(where he got all his accurate rumours previously, one must assume) have told him AoS has been a colossal flop, so the "business reasoning" perhaps wasn't as flawless as GW assumed.

And no, the smug, Cheshire Cat-like grin that's been plastered across my face since I read that post yesterday doesn't have anything to do with that news, how dare anyone make such a scurrilous suggestion

Before you die of smug, it's important to remember that AoS flopping doesn't mean the return of the Fantasy game we know and love, it just means GW will abandon that line altogether. Not suddenly, of course, but more like how they've steadily abandoned the Hobbit. Technically they still support the Hobbit, but they don't sell it in-store anymore and they don't keep any of the rulebooks out for use.

So it's not something to celebrate/feel smug over - GW took a huge risk (and frankly an ill-advised one) and it failed, so they'll likely cut their losses and by this time in three years only 40k will be properly supported, and if that doesn't make you glum I don't know what will.

I went through all the stages of grief for WHFB a while ago, I know it's not coming back for at least a decade, if ever - the absolute best-case scenario is they give us a boxed game based on Mordheim in a couple of years, and even that is highly unlikely.

So now it's just pure "told ya so!" sentiment.

I find it odd that though many say AoS is doing bad it's facebook has over 4,000 likes.

Compare that to 9th age which is extremely popular and has a little under 7,000 members on it's forum.

AoS might just beat the odds afterall.

I speculate Warhammer Fantasy will return.

As WARMASTER, by Special Games.

Baron Klatz wrote:
I find it odd that though many say AoS is doing bad it's facebook has over 4,000 likes.

Compare that to 9th age which is extremely popular and has a little under 7,000 members on it's forum.

AoS might just beat the odds afterall.

Though facebook likes aren't everything... when you consider the aforementioned AoS page is for a mainline, official game by GW and the other is a fanmade legacy system with less exposure than AoS would have... yeah that's pretty bad if 9th Age has almost double the numbers.