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 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
I find it odd that though many say AoS is doing bad it's facebook has over 4,000 likes.

Compare that to 9th age which is extremely popular and has a little under 7,000 members on it's forum.

AoS might just beat the odds afterall.

Though facebook likes aren't everything... when you consider the aforementioned AoS page is for a mainline, official game by GW and the other is a fanmade legacy system with less exposure than AoS would have... yeah that's pretty bad if 9th Age has almost double the numbers.

There could be a 'Bradley effect' in there somewhere I suppose (who would want to be seen publicly supporting AoS?) but yes, having only roughly half the facebook presence of the unofficial fan-made replacement of the old game is not exactly a point of strength for AoS.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 gobskrag 'eadbasha wrote:

Clanan wrote:

 Ankhalagon wrote:
What new customers? Here are none. Killing of WFB and replaceing it with a bad joke. Making a gigantic mess out of 40k. Crushing the fantasy-range.
Well done, GW!

False. I'm a new customer because of AoS. (Yay anecdata!). I'm excited that GW is cleaning house and I can't wait to see what come's next. Although I can certainly understand the sadness in seeing one's favorite stuff get retired. But I come from video games, where everything is retired within months or a few years.

You're not the only one. I've been playing Fantasy for a while now and a friend of mine who really liked the models wouldn't play due to the system. Thanks to AoS, he bought and plays with those models now. As a Tomb King player, I'm sad to see things go, but I understand the business reasoning behind it. I actually like Age of Sigmar, but definitely not for the reasons I like 6th and 8th.

Hastings over on Warseer, the most reliable Fantasy rumourmonger we had save perhaps Harry, has stated categorically that the folk he knows at GWHQ(where he got all his accurate rumours previously, one must assume) have told him AoS has been a colossal flop, so the "business reasoning" perhaps wasn't as flawless as GW assumed.

And no, the smug, Cheshire Cat-like grin that's been plastered across my face since I read that post yesterday doesn't have anything to do with that news, how dare anyone make such a scurrilous suggestion

While the writing was on the wall, it really made my day to see an official confirmation ( well, pretty much) that this abortion of a game is a fiasco


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 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
I find it odd that though many say AoS is doing bad it's facebook has over 4,000 likes.

Compare that to 9th age which is extremely popular and has a little under 7,000 members on it's forum.

AoS might just beat the odds afterall.

Though facebook likes aren't everything... when you consider the aforementioned AoS page is for a mainline, official game by GW and the other is a fanmade legacy system with less exposure than AoS would have... yeah that's pretty bad if 9th Age has almost double the numbers.

Lol, was exactly thinking the same thing. I wonder on which world an unofficial fan made game having almost twice as much like as the official as AOS means that it is not doing so bad


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As for the kits, i think that the only ones that will be missed are the bretonnians and the free company (not to mention the three newest tk kits, which were excellent).

 Zywus wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
I find it odd that though many say AoS is doing bad it's facebook has over 4,000 likes.

Compare that to 9th age which is extremely popular and has a little under 7,000 members on it's forum.

AoS might just beat the odds afterall.

Though facebook likes aren't everything... when you consider the aforementioned AoS page is for a mainline, official game by GW and the other is a fanmade legacy system with less exposure than AoS would have... yeah that's pretty bad if 9th Age has almost double the numbers.

There could be a 'Bradley effect' in there somewhere I suppose (who would want to be seen publicly supporting AoS?) but yes, having only roughly half the facebook presence of the unofficial fan-made replacement of the old game is not exactly a point of strength for AoS.

Especially when you consider 9th age is only 1 of several options for people sticking to rank-and-file style Warhammer, lots of people have gone to KoW, sticking with 8th, going back to previous editions or trying something else.

In my observation 9th age was actually less popular than KoW and older WHFB editions anyway.

RazorEdge wrote:
I speculate Warhammer Fantasy will return.

As WARMASTER, by Special Games.

Hell, I'd go for that! I never got into Warmaster back then, kind of wish I had. I don't have the stamina/time to paint multiple WHFB armies just to see a game played at my house. It's why I'm doing KoW at 15mm, and even then with reduced unit numbers). I played every Specialist game but Warmaster and Mordheim.

So to rekindle interest in AoS maybe they could do an AoS: End Times.

Then they could replace it with Age of Big Sigmar which is lIke Age of Sigmar but at a slightly larger scale.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
I speculate Warhammer Fantasy will return.

As WARMASTER, by Special Games.

Hell, I'd go for that! I never got into Warmaster back then, kind of wish I had. I don't have the stamina/time to paint multiple WHFB armies just to see a game played at my house. It's why I'm doing KoW at 15mm, and even then with reduced unit numbers). I played every Specialist game but Warmaster and Mordheim.

Bringing back Warmaster would be a smart move. That's the game to offer the people who get introduced to the game world by the upcoming Total War: Warhammer video game.

Damn. I was planning on buying some High Elf stuff. Oh well, I suppose.

 Verviedi wrote:
Damn. I was planning on buying some High Elf stuff. Oh well, I suppose.

Nothing to stop you from doing so. "High Elves" will still be around in .PDF form, and have been broken into 5 subfactions.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Nothing to stop you from doing so. "High Elves" will still be around in .PDF form, and have been broken into 5 subfactions.

I think he nearly everything went poof

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Damn. I was planning on buying some High Elf stuff. Oh well, I suppose.

Nothing to stop you from doing so.

Eh, I'd say the models not being sold anymore is pretty clearly something stopping you from buying them.
Regardless of them having rules in PDF form or not.

Some, even most (?) High elf models might still be available, but not necessarily the ones Verviedi were planning to buy.


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Also, I note the TombKings PDF is listed as a last chance to buy.

How long will the rules for other discontinued models be available to download?

How long after GW stops hosting the files will people accept other players using their old printouts?

"No models/armies invalidated", indeed.

No loss, rubbish minis most of it.

I wouldn't call the Empire Knights or especially the Brettonian Green Knight "rubbish".

Or the glade riders. By the way of the 92 items that went last chance to buy yesterday, only 13 are still available in the Uk store.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I wouldn't call the Empire Knights or especially the Brettonian Green Knight "rubbish".

Old rubbish, then. Sigmarines are much better sculpts

At first I thought "NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! THE DWARFS ARE GOING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" but then I realized they still have the core units. The dwarfs aren't going to be nerfed, right?

 Dr. Delorean wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:


Hastings over on Warseer, the most reliable Fantasy rumourmonger we had save perhaps Harry, has stated categorically that the folk he knows at GWHQ(where he got all his accurate rumours previously, one must assume) have told him AoS has been a colossal flop, so the "business reasoning" perhaps wasn't as flawless as GW assumed.

And no, the smug, Cheshire Cat-like grin that's been plastered across my face since I read that post yesterday doesn't have anything to do with that news, how dare anyone make such a scurrilous suggestion

Before you die of smug, it's important to remember that AoS flopping doesn't mean the return of the Fantasy game we know and love, it just means GW will abandon that line altogether. Not suddenly, of course, but more like how they've steadily abandoned the Hobbit. Technically they still support the Hobbit, but they don't sell it in-store anymore and they don't keep any of the rulebooks out for use.

So it's not something to celebrate/feel smug over - GW took a huge risk (and frankly an ill-advised one) and it failed, so they'll likely cut their losses and by this time in three years only 40k will be properly supported, and if that doesn't make you glum I don't know what will.

In all honesty if GW didn't incist on the new age of sigmar units being at such a ridiculously high price, I would of bought SOME of the new plastic kits for use in other games and/or 40k conversions. They are sitting uncomfortably close to FW prices TBH.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I wouldn't call the Empire Knights or especially the Brettonian Green Knight "rubbish".

Old rubbish, then. Sigmarines are much better sculpts

I take it this is a wind up right?

This last chance to buy section does work. I was happily able to get the Dwarf King on Shieldbearers and the Dwarf Thane BSB to help finish the characters I need for my Throng.

I will always be sad to see the lines get so thinned out though. I really don't like the new model's aesthetic after seeing them in person and I still lament the loss of WHFB.

@KaptainBadrukk, the dwarfs are fine. The current ones have become dispossessed Duardin. There's a future faction of Steamhead Duardin coming out as well.

As for that facebook thing, the facebook is new while the 9th age site has been around for months and has collected alot of fans wanting rank-and-file, the old fluff or just another game to play. (I'm on the site and would like to play both games.)

The point was that AoS is continuing to grow and draw in new fans while 9th(or KoW) already took a large chunk of the fans from 8th.

Prestor Jon wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
I speculate Warhammer Fantasy will return.

As WARMASTER, by Special Games.

Hell, I'd go for that! I never got into Warmaster back then, kind of wish I had. I don't have the stamina/time to paint multiple WHFB armies just to see a game played at my house. It's why I'm doing KoW at 15mm, and even then with reduced unit numbers). I played every Specialist game but Warmaster and Mordheim.

Bringing back Warmaster would be a smart move. That's the game to offer the people who get introduced to the game world by the upcoming Total War: Warhammer video game.

Warmaster is awesome. Use the rules for 28mm or keep playing at 15mm. It's how Tomb Kings should have been in 8th Ed.

If the number of Facebook likes mattered, we'd have cured all those Rwandan kids' cancers already.

RazorEdge wrote:
I speculate Warhammer Fantasy will return.

As WARMASTER, by Special Games.

That would be aces since those rules were far better than any editions of WFB.
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While I figure that a lot of what's leaving is simply to be replaced with repackaged models I find myself surprisingly sad about the loss of the Brettonians (who I figure are going the way of the Tomb Kings since they just don't really fit the whole AOS thing.)
What I find most frustrating is that I genuinely think that Age of Sigmar is a better rules system that more suits the style of game that I enjoy while the rich background of the the Old World was what drew me in to begin with (which, let's face it, has been actively eroded for well over a decade as GW shifted strongly away from the sort of amoral EVERYONE'S AWFUL TO SOME DEGREE AND ALSO DIRTY worldview into a more cliched and generic GOOD VS. EVIL sort of thing.)

Baron Klatz wrote:
As for that facebook thing, the facebook is new while the 9th age site has been around for months and has collected alot of fans wanting rank-and-file, the old fluff or just another game to play. (I'm on the site and would like to play both games.)

The point was that AoS is continuing to grow and draw in new fans while 9th(or KoW) already took a large chunk of the fans from 8th.

I'm not so sure it does. The facebook numbers will grow for a while since the page is new. It'll stall soon enough, just like the 9th age facebook page after it's launch.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
If the number of Facebook likes mattered, we'd have cured all those Rwandan kids' cancers already.

Meh, fair enough.

I would absolutely love a Warmaster game as well.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
If the number of Facebook likes mattered, we'd have cured all those Rwandan kids' cancers already.

I laughed! Exalted

We're getting a bit far afield here lads - back to discussing "Last Chance to Buy" items in this thread, and save the general discussion for Dakka Discussions or other boards.

Thanks all!

Baron Klatz wrote:
@KaptainBadrukk, the dwarfs are fine. The current ones have become dispossessed Duardin. There's a future faction of Steamhead Duardin coming out as well.

As for that facebook thing, the facebook is new while the 9th age site has been around for months and has collected alot of fans wanting rank-and-file, the old fluff or just another game to play. (I'm on the site and would like to play both games.)

The point was that AoS is continuing to grow and draw in new fans while 9th(or KoW) already took a large chunk of the fans from 8th.

Thanks the Gods!

Speaking for myself, I am hugely pleased that lots of models I didn't want to have to buy and wasn't being forced to are no longer compulsory to buy.

But I am very disappointed that the Sigmarines, which I regard as super-bland crap, are still on the compulsory purchase list.

I've already not bought several kits of these I was forced to buy, and I was really hoping they would be deleted so I would no long be forced to buy figures I find so dull, uninteresting, colourless and characterless.

Wow, almost everything that became a Last Chancer at the start of the weekend has already sold out.

Could it almost suggest there was demand for generic fantasy humans, elves and dwarves!?

 Bottle wrote:
Wow, almost everything that became a Last Chancer at the start of the weekend has already sold out.

Could it almost suggest there was demand for generic fantasy humans, elves and dwarves!?

Probably a lot of EBay scalpers in there as well...