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 jonolikespie wrote:
They have removed names from everything, meaning sculptors and writers can't really make a name for themselves in the community while working there.

But on the plus side, no death threats from neckbeards.

 jonolikespie wrote:
I think it would be very reasonable to assume that GW's management would consider anyone who used to be a big name at GW working in other companies to be a traitor and a horrible person.

Or comedic. Just as reasonable an assumption.

Way OT, sorry!

 Mymearan wrote:

Chikout wrote:
The whole brettonians range yes, but only bits and pieces from the others. A few nice character models going away and a couple of nice plastic kits but it is mostly the older and uglier stuff that is going. The empire still has 15 plastic kits left. That is twice as many as the Stormcast.

Yep, this is not that big of a deal honestly. Mostly expected stuff (metals and Finecast) and ugly old plastic kits. Empire, Dark Elves, High Elves, Wood Elves and Dwarfs srill have most of their best kits available, with a few exceptions.

Shades, Lord on Cold One, Sorceress on Cold One, Lord with Great Weapon? These were awesome models in the Dark Elf range. Also, the only Lord/Hero models left in the Dark Elf range are the plastic sorceress (great model), Lord/Sorc on Dragon (good model), Hellebron in the cauldron of blood kit, Shadowblade and the abysmal sword-legged black ark fleetmaster.

Shadowblade is no longer a named character. At least in the app update. He's still in the legacy section though.

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
At first I thought "NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! THE DWARFS ARE GOING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" but then I realized they still have the core units. The dwarfs aren't going to be nerfed, right?

Well, that depends on whether you consider these guys to be a core of your army.

Which every slef respecting Dwarf player should.




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Skullhammer wrote:
Shadowblade is no longer a named character. At least in the app update. He's still in the legacy section though.

Goddammit GW! Stop removing all of the flavour from my army!


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Chikout wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

Waaargh wrote:
The minis have been there for years, 10+, yelling at GW for not selling them anymore is harsh.

GW redesigned Necrons and they flew off the shelves. GW redesigned Dark Eldar and they flew off the shelves. GW even did a minor redesign to Tau and they're still flying off the shelves. I'm firmly of the mindset that had GW put the same effort into Fantasy they would have sold more than they did.

Gw redisgned Dark elves and they didnt fly off the shelves. Looking back that 2 month release seemed like a last chance for warhammer. We can argue about why it didnt work (price, ugly horses) but Gw tried a major reboot of a fantasy range with a similar number of new kits to the dark eldar reboot which didnt do the business for them. That said The dark elves have largely survived so there is still hope for them.

GW didn't really redesign the Dark Elves. They released plastic Witch Elves (finally!) but at a ridiculously high price for a unit that needed around 4 boxes to be used, they cut the number of warriors you got in a box and gave them silly names, they released plastic Dark Riders (finally!) and finally got around to giving Dark Elves the chariot that had been in their book for so long.

The dual Black Guard/Executioner box lost the unique character of both, in my opinion, though the Executioners more so. The metal executioners looked sleek and lithe and deadly. They had their own separate style to the Black Guard. That was lost by putting them into a dual-kit which turned them into head and weapon swaps.

They also failed to update any of our characters except Shadowblade and Hellebron. Malekith needed a new dragon and Malus needed a new sculpt completely.

GW doesn't just want to sell models they want to lock us into their ecosystem, their paints, their tools, their bases, their fluff.

They don't want us buying Brettonian knights because there are other comperable products out there. They want us to buy Fyr Slyryrs and Bluddeth Dethbludders who no one else makes.

I'm glad they get rid of these horrible High elves archers and spearmen.

About the rest, well...that was expected. Still surprised they kept the wood and high elves for some parts. After all, why not...it's just I thought all elves would become "shadow elves".

But hey, since AoS is all about "mini factions" and releasing miniatures when they feel like it, it makes sense. More to come in the future, undoubtly.

Better to grab what you can when it's still here. After this...it's all about the wonderful world of Ebay and despicable speculation.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Skullhammer wrote:
Shadowblade is no longer a named character. At least in the app update. He's still in the legacy section though.

Goddammit GW! Stop removing all of the flavour from my army!

Shadowblade still 'exists' as a warscroll. In AoS terms though, he's been dead for thousands of years, so having an updates warscroll for him wouldn't make sense.

 Sarouan wrote:
I'm glad they get rid of these horrible High elves archers and spearmen.

Indeed! We just can't have boxes of infantry that aren't horribly priced now, can we?


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RoperPG wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Skullhammer wrote:
Shadowblade is no longer a named character. At least in the app update. He's still in the legacy section though.

Goddammit GW! Stop removing all of the flavour from my army!

Shadowblade still 'exists' as a warscroll. In AoS terms though, he's been dead for thousands of years, so having an updates warscroll for him wouldn't make sense.

Shadowblade also exists in many FB iterations. IF you choose to play on AoS though... that's how it's gonna be.

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:


Indeed! We just can't have boxes of infantry that aren't horribly priced now, can we?

Of course. We will just have prices adapted for a skirmish game, like troops for Warmachine/Horde.

What? AoS isn't a "skirmish game"? Well it's certainly not suited for massive battles. Sure, GW will keep telling you can buy huge amounts of boxes to build your collection, but it's not like that you have to do that to enjoy the game.

 Sarouan wrote:
I'm glad they get rid of these horrible High elves archers and spearmen.

How is that a benefit for you or anyone?

It's not like they've replaced them with new archers/spearmen with reasonably sized hands. They've just stopped selling them.

 Sarouan wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:


Indeed! We just can't have boxes of infantry that aren't horribly priced now, can we?

Of course. We will just have prices adapted for a skirmish game, like troops for Warmachine/Horde.

What? AoS isn't a "skirmish game"? Well it's certainly not suited for massive battles. Sure, GW will keep telling you can buy huge amounts of boxes to build your collection, but it's not like that you have to do that to enjoy the game.

Are you really defending that a lower model count on a game or even the type of game itself is grounds for hilariously overpricing the models used to play it? Because that's what you're saying.

 Sarouan wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:


Indeed! We just can't have boxes of infantry that aren't horribly priced now, can we?

Of course. We will just have prices adapted for a skirmish game, like troops for Warmachine/Horde.

What? AoS isn't a "skirmish game"? Well it's certainly not suited for massive battles. Sure, GW will keep telling you can buy huge amounts of boxes to build your collection, but it's not like that you have to do that to enjoy the game.

I wouldn't go so far as to call AoS a "skirmish game". Maybe more of a "skirmish experience".

 Sarouan wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:


Indeed! We just can't have boxes of infantry that aren't horribly priced now, can we?

Of course. We will just have prices adapted for a skirmish game, like troops for Warmachine/Horde.

What? AoS isn't a "skirmish game"? Well it's certainly not suited for massive battles. Sure, GW will keep telling you can buy huge amounts of boxes to build your collection, but it's not like that you have to do that to enjoy the game.

And you don't have to play 40K at 2K+ points with superheavies, but in a lot of places that's the only type of game you're going to get. People can go through the whole "wake up sheeple!" routine as much as they want, at the end of the day lots of people want "easy & official", so how the company portrays "normal" games is more important than what the ruleset technically allows you to do - you can enjoy playing AoS as a small-skirmish game no doubt, if it's your bag, but if everyone else in your area still willing to play the game wants to play in the GWHQ "fill the table edges with models and run them into a big blob in the middle" style then functionally it's not a small-skirmish game.

 Zywus wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
I'm glad they get rid of these horrible High elves archers and spearmen.

How is that a benefit for you or anyone?

It's not like they've replaced them with new archers/spearmen with reasonably sized hands. They've just stopped selling them.

Yeah, the HE archers for example were useful for whenever you needed human figures in robes, and now they're gone, gone, gone forever.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Zywus wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
I'm glad they get rid of these horrible High elves archers and spearmen.

How is that a benefit for you or anyone?

It's not like they've replaced them with new archers/spearmen with reasonably sized hands. They've just stopped selling them.

Yeah, the HE archers for example were useful for whenever you needed human figures in robes, and now they're gone, gone, gone forever.

Which shows just how friggin' awful they were for Elves.

Seriously. Those hamfisted monstrosities were the reason I never started a High Elf army proper.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Waaargh wrote:
The minis have been there for years, 10+, yelling at GW for not selling them anymore is harsh.

That's the spirit! feth all the people who have just recently got into playing those factions in the last couple of years!

The problem for everyone, especially GW, is the number of people who increasingly haven't been getting into playing factions in the last few years. (I.e. falling sales.)

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Zywus wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
I'm glad they get rid of these horrible High elves archers and spearmen.

How is that a benefit for you or anyone?

It's not like they've replaced them with new archers/spearmen with reasonably sized hands. They've just stopped selling them.

Yeah, the HE archers for example were useful for whenever you needed human figures in robes, and now they're gone, gone, gone forever.

Indeed. I've seen more than a few great armies of Mechanicum or Arabic themed humans made thanks to those high elf archers.

At least we nowadays have the frostgrave cultists to use as a base for robed figures, though their aestetic is more tattered and scruffy looking than the high elves.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Zywus wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
I'm glad they get rid of these horrible High elves archers and spearmen.

How is that a benefit for you or anyone?

It's not like they've replaced them with new archers/spearmen with reasonably sized hands. They've just stopped selling them.

Yeah, the HE archers for example were useful for whenever you needed human figures in robes, and now they're gone, gone, gone forever.

Which shows just how friggin' awful they were for Elves.

Seriously. Those hamfisted monstrosities were the reason I never started a High Elf army proper.

So before you had zero high elf archer/spearmen kits without hamfists and now that the kits are gone you still have zero high elf archer/spearmen kits without hamfists.
And this is an improvement somehow?

Of course it's an improvement.

It means those hamfisted monstrosities aren't taking up shelf space at shops and that nobody can ever be hurt by them again.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Zywus wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
I'm glad they get rid of these horrible High elves archers and spearmen.

How is that a benefit for you or anyone?

It's not like they've replaced them with new archers/spearmen with reasonably sized hands. They've just stopped selling them.

Yeah, the HE archers for example were useful for whenever you needed human figures in robes, and now they're gone, gone, gone forever.

Which shows just how friggin' awful they were for Elves.

Seriously. Those hamfisted monstrosities were the reason I never started a High Elf army proper.

I definitely think the new sculpts for their replacement units are awesome though. So much better! Right...? Oh wait...


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More room for overpriced Sigmarines, of course!

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

I definitely think the new sculpts for their replacement units are awesome though. So much better! Right...? Oh wait...

Those replacement units are so great!

Oh wait...

High Elves are an elite force now. You have the Swifthawk Agents(Shadow Warriors, Skycutters, Skywarden on Skycutter, Chariots), the Order Draconis(Dragon Noble, Dragon Blades, Dragonlord), the Lion Rangers(White Lions and White Lion Chariot), the Eldritch Council(Archmage on Dragon, Swordmasters[I'm STILL surprised those guys survived the cull], Drakeseer, Loremaster, and Archmage), and the Phoenix Temple(Flamespyre Phoenix, Frostheart Phoenix, Phoenix Guard, and Anointed). Low unit counts for each and heavily themed(Swifthawk Agents only have bonuses for things that Fly from the Skywarden as an example).

Whenever we see the first Aelf faction proper, we'll likely see a revamped Archer and Spearmen kit. As it stands right now though? These are the remnants of the World That Was. The populaces of the different High Elf provinces were decimated during the End Times anyways, so it's not exactly illogical that they purged the Citizen Levies(Spearmen, Archers, and Silver Helms) from the army lists. That it happened to get rid of older kits is just a bonus to them.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Of course it's an improvement.

It means those hamfisted monstrosities aren't taking up shelf space at shops and that nobody can ever be hurt by them again.

I'm not so sure whatever takes their place at the shops will be much use for the people that made use of the high elves as bases to convert robed humanoid figures though.
Or for that matter, the people that either liked the models despite the hamfists or replaced the hands with better scaled ones from leftovers of other kits (really easy to do if both kits are plastic).

But feth all those people, right? As long as the great Kanluwen don't need to sully his vision, looking at such inferior sculpts, it's an improvement in the grand scale of things.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

I definitely think the new sculpts for their replacement units are awesome though. So much better! Right...? Oh wait...

Those replacement units are so great!

Oh wait...

High Elves are an elite force now

They already were, so your point after this is completely and utterly null. It is especially null when the GW-sponsored events base your "army" restrictions on model count, which makes any definition of "Elite" or "Horde" pointless because you're bringing X models to the tabletop, period.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Whenever we see the first Aelf faction proper, we'll likely see a revamped Archer and Spearmen kit. As it stands right now though? These are the remnants of the World That Was. The populaces of the different High Elf provinces were decimated during the End Times anyways, so it's not exactly illogical that they purged the Citizen Levies(Spearmen, Archers, and Silver Helms) from the army lists. That it happened to get rid of older kits is just a bonus to them.

That's all very pretty, but they could still hold on to the kits until the actual replacements are out. But hey, if they want to destroy potential purchases, it's their deal.

I can live without the spearmen/archers but they removed the seaguard! The seaguard!

That was some of the best fantasy plastics on the market! Not perfect, being one-pose and all, but great looking elf models. Real shame to see them go. The Empire cannon was also pretty good not to mention all the excellent character models...

The seaguard going is a real head scratcher. I'm super glad I picked up that IoB set before it went from my FLGS now.

 Da Boss wrote:
The seaguard going is a real head scratcher. I'm super glad I picked up that IoB set before it went from my FLGS now.

It's not that big of a head scratcher. The Sea Guard that they were selling were literally just them having clipped 5 Sea Guard off an IoB sprue section.

Yeah, but they were great minis. Perhaps they sold poorly. I really liked them - they are the minis that made me finally buy some high elves after more than a decade.

Meh, if I wanted high elf spearmen and archers now I'd just use wood elf eternal/glade guard and mix in some high elf parts.

Sad to see Kurt Helborg go, his mustache will be remembered.

One exalt for Kanluwen.

Don't get me wrong; I love variety and it's indeed sad to see most of these miniatures go. Except for High elves archers and spearmen (well, ESPECIALLY the spearmen), but that's just my personnal taste.

But after some time, you have to come back to reality; that's what GW decided to do. Now, High Elves are divided in mini factions that are quite clear and only use a smaller part of what they used to have. So, gone the archers, spearmen, silver helms, ballista, even the swordmasters and ellyrian cavalry I think. Not even talking about the other armies.

Because they have decided they no longer have the place on their shelves for these. That's all.

Yep, it's a pity but what can you do? Whine about something already done? Better to roll with it and either accept it or just get out of this gak once and for all.

For myself, after some time, I decided to roll with it. I'm enjoying my overpriced Stormcast Eternals and like to build my own collection. I'm even making some conversions that don't have a profile in AoS and use square/rectangular bases because it's better for me to use for other game systems as well.

I'm also playing a lot of (too many...) others games from others companies. And guess what, for the same quality (sometimes lesser...), if you go on a Skirmish game, the price isn't that better with competitors. And you know what? I roll with it and buy what I like and feel reasonnable. I like to take Warmachine/Horde for comparisons because it's just so true (seriously, the price for 10 basic troopers isn't that far from GW WItch Elves or any other box of "elite troopers" as I like to call them. I won't even talk about Warmachine/Horde cavalry, that makes Chaos Vanguard nearly something "acceptable in the end").

What happens with GW is just making us remember nothing is eternal, especially not a wargame with miniatures. So, better grab these collector miniatures before they go to Ebay at even more insane prices making Stormcast Eternal Stardrake's one just a joke. Look at what happen to "old GW games" like Epic, Necromunda or even worse miniatures. Just because of nostalgia and not being sold anymore on the main webstore and suddenly, price goes up right above the stars. Funny thing they still find buyers.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Zywus wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
I'm glad they get rid of these horrible High elves archers and spearmen.

How is that a benefit for you or anyone?

It's not like they've replaced them with new archers/spearmen with reasonably sized hands. They've just stopped selling them.

Yeah, the HE archers for example were useful for whenever you needed human figures in robes, and now they're gone, gone, gone forever.

Well, GW don't sell them any more, these days that's not quite the same thing as being gone forever.

How terrible the world is when you have to listen to others voice their disagreement over GW's decision. Truly, 'tis such a tragedy that others have different opinions!

Just because you "roll with it" doesn't mean others have to do the same, and they are allowed to have their own opinion regarding GW's decisions, last I checked. However, it's good to see that you seem to defend that a skirmish game is apparently a reasonable excuse to sell overpriced models. Puts a lot of your previous posts into context.


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