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The Seaguard are gone, which is not surprising given their status as starter-set models. However, they continue to exist in the app - and I'm certainly going to keep using them, albeit likely in support of things like Eldritch Council Mages and Collegiate Arcane Hurricaniums, which both offer buffs to 'Order' units nearby. The key here is to remember that GW are going to take models out of production if they don't sell well - but unlike in previous editions, not being in the army book equivalent does not make them magically illegal to use any more.

You wonder why GW reset the universe just to kill off everything

 Sarouan wrote:
Don't get me wrong; I love variety and it's indeed sad to see most of these miniatures go. Except for High elves archers and spearmen (well, ESPECIALLY the spearmen), but that's just my personnal taste.

But after some time, you have to come back to reality; that's what GW decided to do. Now, High Elves are divided in mini factions that are quite clear and only use a smaller part of what they used to have. So, gone the archers, spearmen, silver helms, ballista, even the swordmasters and ellyrian cavalry I think. Not even talking about the other armies.

Because they have decided they no longer have the place on their shelves for these. That's all.

Yep, it's a pity but what can you do? Whine about something already done? Better to roll with it and either accept it or just get out of this gak once and for all.

I'm quite sure most of us will survive just fine without these HighElf minis being available from GW. Of course models generally wont be available from their manufacturers forever.

I can understand the removal of the elves not being any loss for you, (and admittedly not for me either, i would never buy those models new from GW) but comments such as this:

 Sarouan wrote:
I'm glad they get rid of these horrible High elves archers and spearmen.

Imply that you are somehow better off with those models gone.

If and when any replacements come out, sure. No such exist at the moment though so the only thing that's happened is that you've gone from zero highelf spearmen/archer models you'll buy to zero highelf spearmen/archer models you'll buy.

I guess you could be better of if you enjoy knowing that other people now have it worse? If so, enjoy the schadenfreude I guess.

 Harriticus wrote:
You wonder why GW reset the universe just to kill off everything

I thought it had been established that GW switched from WHFB to AoS to help purge the issues of rules bloat and model bloat. The rules had gotten too complex and convoluted and they were producing and stocking a huge number of kits for a large number of armies for a game that wasn't selling at the level needed to justify the cost. AoS has simplified rules, fewer armies and fewer kits and a smaller scope for games. Winnowing the game down was a primary objective of the change in systems.

If anyone is looking for Tomb Kings, my FLGS has a box or two at original sticker price. They also had a HE battalion. Welf and Bret discontinued stuff stuff is all gone.

Ohman wrote:
I can live without the spearmen/archers but they removed the seaguard! The seaguard!

That was some of the best fantasy plastics on the market! Not perfect, being one-pose and all, but great looking elf models. Real shame to see them go. The Empire cannon was also pretty good not to mention all the excellent character models...

I really regret not picking up another Island of Blood elf set when they were available for cheap through bit sellers.

Got 6 sets of IoB just sat here doing nothing lol.
Been meaning to make a start but it's not happened yet.

Just hoping the add in atleast a knight unit that resembles Bret's as the colours and heraldry made them look ace and always stood out.

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

However, it's good to see that you seem to defend that a skirmish game is apparently a reasonable excuse to sell overpriced models.

The truth is, it's the excuse for EVERY skirmish wargame with miniatures. Just look at Warmachine/Horde, Infinity, Anima Tactics, Drakerys, Alkemy, and about a lot of others that rise and fall these last times. All of them have quite high prices for "highly detailed miniatures", and sometimes justify it by "the game not needing to have a lot of them to be played". Quite understandable; since you will sell less (because players will not buy a lot of them to have a fair game), you have to find your money somewhere. Especially when you are a small game company.

Just give a good look at their prices. Try to use these miniatures in a mass battle wargame with those, and wonder how high the money you will need quickly reaches. It's a very funny experiment.

Let me tell you; quality has certainly a price, but the "right price" will always be the one you manage to convince the buyer to take.

Not saying GW is cheap, far from it. But the other competitors aren't so cheap as well if you take a similar number of miniatures...

Unless you want crappy material, bad quality, smaller scale or historical miniatures (that aren't really fantasy looking, anyway - you can always try to find catgirl warriors in medieval knights for the War of the Rose, but something tells me you won't be really successful).

 Zywus wrote:


I can understand the removal of the elves not being any loss for you, (and admittedly not for me either, i would never buy those models new from GW) but comments such as this:

 Sarouan wrote:
I'm glad they get rid of these horrible High elves archers and spearmen.

Imply that you are somehow better off with those models gone.

If and when any replacements come out, sure. No such exist at the moment though so the only thing that's happened is that you've gone from zero highelf spearmen/archer models you'll buy to zero highelf spearmen/archer models you'll buy.

I guess you could be better of if you enjoy knowing that other people now have it worse? If so, enjoy the schadenfreude I guess.

It's really funny to see such a statement, because there aren't any replacement for high elves archers and spearmen in the Order big book. That's the trick; you are thinking this for your old armies and others games than AoS mainly. Sure, you can use the former warscrolls - but they were intended to allow you to play with your previously existing collection. See the difference? You're blaming GW for something they totally wanted from the very beginning. They never had the intention to replace them. They just removed them from the product line, like Tomb Kings and others.

This is "phase 2" for AoS. Like it or hate it, it will still happens - that's how I feel, anyway. You have the right to disagree with me.

By the way, it's not the first time miniatures are removed without official (or immediate) replacement. It's just the way of life. Remember old Storm of Chaos campaign and its exclusive troops? Yeah, well, I do. And I don't even need to go that recently. Far more in the past, with some crazy monsters and war machines that were made in that Golden Age of Citadel...they still disappeared nonetheless from the shelves.

When I said I'm glad these specific miniatures are definitely out, it's of course because I find them horrible -and I also think they don't really help GW to maintain that "quality" and "making the best miniatures" reputation. Because let's face it, these miniatures are really ugly in comparison to what GW can do nowadays - and even at their time, they were not known for being great miniatures. Simply put, they looked nothing like elves. Spearmen were particularly the most terrible, with their pin heads and way too big hands, with huge shields making the whole miniature even more silly. I'd rather take Mantic elves, it was that bad.

If you were saying you were missing the older plastic high elves archers and spearmen, those who were monopose in 6th edition, then I would have understood. But these ones? No, actually, I believe it is an understandable move from GW, really. More space for other boxes that will come in the future, most certainly. If they are Stormcast, I will still be glad since it's my army, but I think there is more to come for other factions. Seriously, they can't just repackage everything over and over. There is a limit to changing bases, after all.

 Sarouan wrote:

It's really funny to see such a statement, because there aren't any replacement for high elves archers and spearmen in the Order big book. That's the trick; you are thinking this for your old armies and others games than AoS mainly. Sure, you can use the former warscrolls - but they were intended to allow you to play with your previously existing collection. See the difference? You're blaming GW for something they totally wanted from the very beginning. They never had the intention to replace them. They just removed them from the product line, like Tomb Kings and others.

I'm not blaming GW for removing the High Elves. If they don't want want to sell them I'm not going to force them to.

I'm calling you out for acting like you have gained something by those elves being discontinued.

PEOPLE, LET'S BE POLITE OK?