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Para: They'll probably feature a few in Warhammer:Visions at some point, I should think.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Or take it all in stride, wheel out their latest Mecha-ex Machina and blow everything away.

It's the tried and true FW campaign book method:

Step One: Xenos invasion/attack.
Step Two: Massively overwhelming Imperial response.
Step Three: ???
Step Four: Crushing Imperial defeat.

Every. Damned. Time.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Nope, Tau Won Tauros and the last two books (1.5 books at the least), time to die.

And some of those campaign books had Tau commanders going toe-to-toe with Marine Captains (later Chapter Masters) in HTH combat. Hell, in one of the books the only Imperial attack that had any effect was mass Assassin spam, and even that completely failed except for the Culexus who killed the Space Pope.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Why do they keep failing at cross-platform promotions?

Because GW see their licensed products as something that gives them good numbers for little effort. Never mind that they could increase their return with just a little effort (imagine the cross promotion they could do - but won't! - for Dawn of War III).

I went to the second FW seminar today, Alan B. said that the Tau think the Forgeworld is old and hardly defended, but the Mechanicum are mostly underground as they have been their so long and they give the Tau far more trouble than they were expecting. Reading between the lines, the 30k mech units are broken out (Alan said the mechanicum would only break them out in desperation and that the 30k units are in the book). Alan then said that the entire remainder of legio gryphonicus and Red Scorps are stopping enroute to Gryphonne IV to retake it, surprising the Tau with overwhelming force. I would be surprised if the Tau win this one...

 Paradigm wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
golden demon coverage on Bolomir Blog.

Good stuff there, glad that GW decided not to retire these painting events.

http://volomir.com/index.php/2016/05/15/cabinet-photos-from-golden-demon-2016/

Painters will always paint so its good to see them tackling GW minis on a competitive level.

Some superb stuff there! It'd be awesome if GW do a professionally shot showcase of the winners in each category like they used to so we can really get a good look!

Since they literally just put up golden-demon.com I think we can expect pro photos of all golden demons henceforth!

 Looky Likey wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Or take it all in stride, wheel out their latest Mecha-ex Machina and blow everything away.

It's the tried and true FW campaign book method:

Step One: Xenos invasion/attack.
Step Two: Massively overwhelming Imperial response.
Step Three: ???
Step Four: Crushing Imperial defeat.

Every. Damned. Time.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Nope, Tau Won Tauros and the last two books (1.5 books at the least), time to die.

And some of those campaign books had Tau commanders going toe-to-toe with Marine Captains (later Chapter Masters) in HTH combat. Hell, in one of the books the only Imperial attack that had any effect was mass Assassin spam, and even that completely failed except for the Culexus who killed the Space Pope.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Why do they keep failing at cross-platform promotions?

Because GW see their licensed products as something that gives them good numbers for little effort. Never mind that they could increase their return with just a little effort (imagine the cross promotion they could do - but won't! - for Dawn of War III).

I went to the second FW seminar today, Alan B. said that the Tau think the Forgeworld is old and hardly defended, but the Mechanicum are mostly underground as they have been their so long and they give the Tau far more trouble than they were expecting. Reading between the lines, the 30k mech units are broken out (Alan said the mechanicum would only break them out in desperation and that the 30k units are in the book). Alan then said that the entire remainder of legio gryphonicus and Red Scorps are stopping enroute to Gryphonne IV to retake it, surprising the Tau with overwhelming force. I would be surprised if the Tau win this one...

Sounds like a rehash of Doom of Mymeara, only swapping Eldar for Tau. I hope it's better written this time.

There is a picture of the slayer sword winner on the AOS Facebook page (by the redicolously talented David Soper) . They will put all the winners on the golden demon site tomorrow.

Excellent news, more stuff to make us feel useless as painers... I mean, er, inspire us to greatness!

 sockwithaticket wrote:
"It will begin with just Titans"

"Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos"

Clear thesand from your special place.

Epic takes place during the Horus Heresy(10,000 years before Warhammer 40,000), so you won't be seeing a lot of the current Xenos races like Tau and Tyranids since they were not around at that point in the timeline.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:
"It will begin with just Titans"

"Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos"

Clear thesand from your special place.

Epic takes place during the Horus Heresy(10,000 years before Warhammer 40,000), so you won't be seeing a lot of the current Xenos races like Tau and Tyranids since they were not around at that point in the timeline.

Is it confirmed that the new Epic will take place in that time? They don't need to redo exactly the same as previously.

Adeptus Titanicus will be taking place during the Heresy. However, FW are hinting that they could release expansions that would take place in 40k (allowing them to introduce xenos such as the Orks).

Gryphonne IV ? Isn't this world destroyed / consummed by the tyranids ? How a Legion "retake" such a world ?
Or am I wrong ?

 godardc wrote:
Gryphonne IV ? Isn't this world destroyed / consummed by the tyranids ? How a Legion "retake" such a world ?
Or am I wrong ?

Alan B. said they'd consumed the biological part of the world, but as its a forgeworld there is plenty of non biological stuff to regain.

 Malika2 wrote:
Adeptus Titanicus will be taking place during the Heresy. However, FW are hinting that they could release expansions that would take place in 40k (allowing them to introduce xenos such as the Orks).

If they added 40k expansions, wouldn't they have to restrict a lot of the Heresy units since quite a lot of it wild he considered relics? Or would it be some weird 30k/40k mashup? I assumed it would be restricted to Xenos races present during the heresy- Eldar and Orks.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:
"It will begin with just Titans"

"Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos"

Clear thesand from your special place.

Epic takes place during the Horus Heresy(10,000 years before Warhammer 40,000), so you won't be seeing a lot of the current Xenos races like Tau and Tyranids since they were not around at that point in the timeline.

Yes, but the various Armageddon wars did not take place in the Heresy era, so I took them mentioning that as one of many possible xenos expansions to mean they weren't going to limit AT to 30k forever and ever. Given that the first Titan only release is likely to be next year, it's a little early to be saying you'll never get your space bugs in small scale.

Titans in 40k are relics anyway (despite some of them having been built way after the Heresy, but that's just that bit of double-think you'd need to employ when delving into 40k). Titanicus is Titan vs Titan warfare, not that difficult to transplant it into 40k...

 NAVARRO wrote:
golden demon coverage on Bolomir Blog.

Good stuff there, glad that GW decided not to retire these painting events.

http://volomir.com/index.php/2016/05/15/cabinet-photos-from-golden-demon-2016/

Painters will always paint so its good to see them tackling GW minis on a competitive level.

Wow. Some really stunning paintjobs in there

 Rayvon wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:


Red Scorpions date back to the Rogue Trader days afaik.

There might have been pictures and a slight mention but thats all, maybe my memory is not as good as I thought !
I guess im just jealous, I would love one of my chapters to actually get something chapter specific.

Pretty much. Pictures of two color schemes and brief mention of their involvement during the Badab War, until they were recalled to other duties and replaced by another chapter.

 godardc wrote:
Gryphonne IV ? Isn't this world destroyed / consummed by the tyranids ? How a Legion "retake" such a world ?
Or am I wrong ?

It was destroyed by Tyrannids during the 40K timeline - but the forces from Gryphonne IV played a huge part in the Heresy. Its destruction being more recent in the overall timeline (997.M41)

Loving the golden demon photos. That female bright wizard converted from the Dark Elf Sorceress. Damn

 sockwithaticket wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:
"It will begin with just Titans"

"Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos"

Clear thesand from your special place.

Epic takes place during the Horus Heresy(10,000 years before Warhammer 40,000), so you won't be seeing a lot of the current Xenos races like Tau and Tyranids since they were not around at that point in the timeline.

Yes, but the various Armageddon wars did not take place in the Heresy era, so I took them mentioning that as one of many possible xenos expansions to mean they weren't going to limit AT to 30k forever and ever. Given that the first Titan only release is likely to be next year, it's a little early to be saying you'll never get your space bugs in small scale.

Yeah, they specifically mentioned doing a "war for Armageddon" supplement and other than maintenance/supply issues for certain weapon systems, every design of Titan the Imperium uses was already ancient before even the Reunification Wars on Terra. So the only units you'd have to restrict would be some weapon combos and maybe some infantry, unless the hypothetical Armageddon supplement was the one that introduced infantry in the first place, of course.

 Looky Likey wrote:
I went to the second FW seminar today, Alan B. said that the Tau think the Forgeworld is old and hardly defended, but the Mechanicum are mostly underground as they have been their so long and they give the Tau far more trouble than they were expecting. Reading between the lines, the 30k mech units are broken out (Alan said the mechanicum would only break them out in desperation and that the 30k units are in the book). Alan then said that the entire remainder of legio gryphonicus and Red Scorps are stopping enroute to Gryphonne IV to retake it, surprising the Tau with overwhelming force. I would be surprised if the Tau win this one...

I can see the ending now. After giving the Tau a damn good thrashing, the Inquisition and wider Adeptus Mechanicus call in exterminatus on the Forgeworld for the use of proscribed weaponry. Red Scorpions get off scott free...

May or may not have been posted already but Gav Thrope has posted on FB saying that Adeptus Titanicus will be using an updated version of the original rules, so any expanded units would almost certainly be in the Space Marine/Titan Legions vein. Apparently 2 Titans as side is an 'army'.

It would seem that Epic:Armageddon won't be coming back at all now.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:
May or may not have been posted already but Gav Thrope has posted on FB

New nid biomorph?

 Silent Puffin? wrote:
May or may not have been posted already but Gav Thrope has posted on FB saying that Adeptus Titanicus will be using an updated version of the original rules, so any expanded units would almost certainly be in the Space Marine/Titan Legions vein. Apparently 2 Titans as side is an 'army'.

It would seem that Epic:Armageddon won't be coming back at all now.

I don't understand the distinction, as I was never an Epic player... Could you explain?

Reeeealy nice paintjobs, ... but is it just me or does a lot of them "feel" very airbrushed ? not that they do not look great, but..something sets me off..kinda.

How was there already a Silver Tower model entered? I saw the barbarian dude in there.

 RiTides wrote:

 Silent Puffin? wrote:
May or may not have been posted already but Gav Thrope has posted on FB saying that Adeptus Titanicus will be using an updated version of the original rules, so any expanded units would almost certainly be in the Space Marine/Titan Legions vein. Apparently 2 Titans as side is an 'army'.

It would seem that Epic:Armageddon won't be coming back at all now.

I don't understand the distinction, as I was never an Epic player... Could you explain?

The original game was Adeptus Titanicus and was more like Battletech, mech on mech action.

Over time it was expanded to include knights, superheavy tanks, normal tanks and infantry and became Epic Space Marine. Epic Space Marine had much different rules centered on mass combat with Titans just being part of the equation, it also folded in Marines, Guard, Eldar, Orks, Squats, Chaos and later Tyranids as factions. It had 2 or 3 editions (Space Marine 1st edition, Space Marine 2nd Edition, Titan Legions) before being canned and relaunched as Epic around 1998 with a much different rules set. Epic didn't last long and was replaced by yet another game by Fantatic/Specialist Games called Epic Armageddon around 2002 I think? IIRC Jarvis once called it the best rules GW ever published. But it never got big and disappeared.

So from 1991 on we have 4 major rule sets:
Adeptus Titanics
Space Marine/Titan Legions
Epic
Epic Armageddon

And now a 5th on the way.

 RiTides wrote:

I don't understand the distinction, as I was never an Epic player... Could you explain?

Epic has had 3 distinct rulesets. Titan Legions/Space Marine (which grew out of Adeptus Titanicus), Epic 40K and Epic Armageddon.

Space Marine was sort of like 40k in that there was quite a lot of influence placed on individual models and it could be quite a complex game. Epic 40k was all about formations but the rules were clunky (it used essentially the BFG firepower table for shooting attacks for instance). Epic:A is a streamlined (but in a good way) formation based game with lots of unit synergies.

Epic 40K wasn't well liked by the community and is pretty much dead today although both of the other version have active communities. I personally prefer Epic:Armageddon, I had a game yesterday, so it looks like I will be losing out on this (maybe). I liked the Space Marine rules though so its not all bad.

 RiTides wrote:

 Silent Puffin? wrote:
May or may not have been posted already but Gav Thrope has posted on FB saying that Adeptus Titanicus will be using an updated version of the original rules, so any expanded units would almost certainly be in the Space Marine/Titan Legions vein. Apparently 2 Titans as side is an 'army'.

It would seem that Epic:Armageddon won't be coming back at all now.

I don't understand the distinction, as I was never an Epic player... Could you explain?

It means excellent news. The original Adeptus Titanicus was very tactical, though rules heavy in some respects. The heavier the Titan, the less manoeuvrable. The warlords had heavy firepower but could only turn a limited amount of times and move so far. But, you had to watch and guard your flanks otherwise you'd have a warhound out manoeuvre you, blast apart your shields only for the enemy warlord to move out and unload, blowing off your weapons, crippling your legs or causing a reactor breach.

Games were a proper slugfest in an enjoyable sense in that your Titans could take and give a massive amount of punishment. I had a warlord in one game just refuse to die. It'd taken a pummelling, but still staggered forward afterwards! Plus, overloading voids, merging voids to defend damaged Titans and the campaign rules were pretty good too.

Yeah Adeptus Titanicus remains one of my favourite games so this is great news.

My concen at seperate rule book and 6" FW titans is that it will be like Aeronautica Imperialis; sound rule set but it's £80-200 a model.

A plastic Warlord would be a good start but the rumours say resin, so a Titan maniple could be a big cost.

 notprop wrote:
My concen at seperate rule book and 6" FW titans is that it will be like Aeronautica Imperialis; sound rule set but it's £80-200 a model.

AI wasn't anywhere near that bad. Maybe $20 each for the fighters, IIRC? Tanks at about 2/3 of that? It was actually a pretty affordable game, if GW had bothered to tell anyone that it existed.