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Truth be told? Nope. I find them kinda silly to be honest.

 Melissia wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
Hmmm, what do I answer when I have 7000 points of them already? I'd like plastic ones for new options, and a new codex more than anything, butI kinda collect them already.

By contrast, I stopped collecting them from GW at about 1500 points, eventually got to 2500 points from ebay sales, and then sold my stuff down to about 250 or so points of models that just wouldn't sell, namely my old heavy bolter girls, the first models I painted whose paintjob was even worse than normal-- I didn't even know to use a base coat when I painted them. And the fact that HB sisters are lame doesn't help.


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 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
Now.... No. No chance.

Back in 4th/5th edition when it was the Witch Hunter codex. Yeah, probably. SOBs have completely passed me by in the things I still find interesting in 40K.

So it was Inquisition that you actually wanted to play?

And the thing is, Inquisition is already playable, which makes the objection rather odd.

No... Plastic models back then would have been a squad of 10 ladies for $22 bucks. Thats much more affordable than the 8-10 dollars each that plastic minis cost now. Also the SOB themselves were more fun to play back then. The core rules worked better with how they operated, the acts of faith seemed better thought out and a little more game influencing. The only real broken thing about them was the Book of St. Lucious for 5 points. Yikes, needed to be 15 at least.

Unsure how to vote in the poll. I already have a decent-size Sororitas army, so I can't exactly start it, but if plastics came out I would replace every metal Sister with a plastic one. And then keep the metal ones too.

Unless GW keeps being GW and feths up the plastic ones with ridiculous changes for change's sake, with even worse messing with the lore.

Sisters of Battle are a lot more to be feared than most realize simply because most people don't play against them enough.

Love playing them.

Four things they need to do:

1. Make Celestans a troops choice, give them a close combat weapon. They would instanly be an assault unit that is Objective Secured, not as powerful as the battle Conclave or Sisters Repentia but really capable if you wanted to trade out Bolter fire for fstiness that is armored well.

2. Expand the armory for the Canoness, so they can take multiple items if they like. Allow them to be the heroes of their orders that others are allowed to be.

3. Make a Repressor/Rhino/Immolator/Exorcist boxed set.

4. Penitent Engines need to freaking be Init 4 butchers. They should be fragile but dangerous equals to any normal dreadnoght. Open topped is dine when you get a 6+ invul but I4 is a must. Fleet , Rampage and Rage all fit the bill. Heck i think if you have one of these in your presernce within 6 inches, you grow some unshakable faith by its example.

Penitent Engines are heretics and witches strapped to torture devices making a real mess of things, How the hell is that supposed to inspire faith?

Celestians already have two attacks, you're talking about giving them a third and then making them troops as well - incidentally leaving Repentia as the only Elites choice - when Celestians are supposed to be our Veteran option. They need something, but making them Troops is not it.

Fer has always inspired people to greater lenghths. the pnitent engine reminds them of what happens when you lose your faith... maximum effort is required.

... if you want them to inspire fear, that'd be against the enemy models, it's not really fitting for Sisters of Battle to be inspired by fear. That's counter to pretty much all of their lore.

 Jancoran wrote:
Fer has always inspired people to greater lenghths. the pnitent engine reminds them of what happens when you lose your faith... maximum effort is required.

Except that Sisters don't lose their faith... and if they falter, they fight harder to regain it on their own.

Sisters do not fear retribution. They are a penitent order: Everything they do is already paying for the crimes of the Brides of the Emperor.

Penitent Engines are only for heretics and witches.

We disagree. Also: this has almost no bearing on the proposed changes. But yeah: we disagree. A crisis of faith is always possible in a terran. Look around. Lol.

Trust me, one look at the Westborough Baptist Church is enough to convince me that some peoples' faith is unshakeable no matter how ridiculously insane their beliefs are... but then, I suppose a pathetic xenos wouldn't know anything about that.

You're basically trying to introduce lore that forces them to have constant crises of faith when they... well... haven't really had them, in the past. It shouldn't surprise you that it's resisted.

 Melissia wrote:
You're basically trying to introduce lore that forces them to have constant crises of faith when they... well... haven't really had them, in the past. It shouldn't surprise you that it's resisted.

Anywho. Again, irrelevant to the point.

They need a complete overhaul for me to play them. As it stand their rules are basically "Space Marines -1 T and S with more Melta and Flamers". Nothing against them personally but I already have 5 flavours of power armor and even those tend to have some gimmick going for them already.

I really wish they'd change the Faith system into something else that can rival psychic powers. One-use things never made me happy.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
They need a complete overhaul for me to play them. As it stand their rules are basically "Space Marines -1 T and S with more Melta and Flamers". Nothing against them personally but I already have 5 flavours of power armor and even those tend to have some gimmick going for them already.

I really wish they'd change the Faith system into something else that can rival psychic powers. One-use things never made me happy.

Like all armies, it is hardly the rules e play them for. But rules still matter.


so i need nothing but the aesthetic to be awesome. the rules are good enough to win and other than that concern, I'm golden.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
They need a complete overhaul for me to play them. As it stand their rules are basically "Space Marines -1 T and S with more Melta and Flamers". Nothing against them personally but I already have 5 flavours of power armor and even those tend to have some gimmick going for them already.

I really wish they'd change the Faith system into something else that can rival psychic powers. One-use things never made me happy.

Most of the faith powers currently mimic psychic powers. ><

Really, I'd like to see the whole faith system scrapped outright and replaced with Rites of Battle like the old days. Permanent effects determined at the start of the game without any of this "they might be wizards but don't know it" crap.

Nope, I wouldn't. Not unless they were awesome models but that's a separate issue.

I also don't believe in the slightest that 76% of Dakkanaughts would begin a Sisters army.... maybe 76% of Dakkanaughts are optimistic and might like to begin a Sisters army, I doubt anywhere near 76% actually would.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I also don't believe in the slightest that 76% of Dakkanaughts would begin a Sisters army.... maybe 76% of Dakkanaughts are optimistic and might like to begin a Sisters army, I doubt anywhere near 76% actually would.

76% of people interested enough in Sisters to click this thread probably would, though.

I've wanted to play Sisters for many years, only held back by metal models and a small wallet. I would prefer them to have redesigned models from before, but it's definitely not necessary. I also agree with what some people have said about their Acts of Faith needing to be redesigned, but I don't see that coming. From what I can tell, GW are really focussing on the one-shot and random power stuff in newer codexes/codices, probably to influence people to buy multiples of each squad so that they have a better chance of getting an ability off in the way they want. Above all, though, their unique feel and Ecclesiarchal spirit are enough for me; once I can afford them, my 4.5K Necrons will take a backseat as I build up a large SoB force (possibly with Inquisition and/or AM for flyers if the SoB don't get any).

Without a shadow of a doubt I'd be knee deep in SOB boxes if they turned plastic, I love the aesthetic and theme of SOB with the metal sculpts being the only thing stopping me...

As an allied force they are quite useful. Many people have come to realize it. Ignores cover is important. It matters. So its food for thought but sisters as allies is good.

the few models I own of them are ebay models and acquired cheaply. give em a good ruleset and better figures and I'd probably drop a few hundred on models to start

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Nope, I wouldn't. Not unless they were awesome models but that's a separate issue.

I also don't believe in the slightest that 76% of Dakkanaughts would begin a Sisters army.... maybe 76% of Dakkanaughts are optimistic and might like to begin a Sisters army, I doubt anywhere near 76% actually would.

I'm literally beyond that point as I'm waiting for Raging Heroes to deliver their TGG2 sisters count-as to me. I would have bought them from GW, but not in metal and not at the price they're asking for it. I do have a decent collection of unpainted GW sisters I've collected via ebay and such, but I plan on selling those off again - don't want to mix GW and RH sisters, and I should get enough out of that to buy some vehicles (Exorcists and such) to go with the RH sisters.

nekooni wrote:

I'm literally beyond that point as I'm waiting for Raging Heroes to deliver their TGG2 sisters count-as to me. I would have bought them from GW, but not in metal and not at the price they're asking for it. I do have a decent collection of unpainted GW sisters I've collected via ebay and such, but I plan on selling those off again - don't want to mix GW and RH sisters, and I should get enough out of that to buy some vehicles (Exorcists and such) to go with the RH sisters.

You mean Raging Hormones, right?

 Furyou Miko wrote:

nekooni wrote:

I'm literally beyond that point as I'm waiting for Raging Heroes to deliver their TGG2 sisters count-as to me. I would have bought them from GW, but not in metal and not at the price they're asking for it. I do have a decent collection of unpainted GW sisters I've collected via ebay and such, but I plan on selling those off again - don't want to mix GW and RH sisters, and I should get enough out of that to buy some vehicles (Exorcists and such) to go with the RH sisters.

You mean Raging Hormones, right?

Well they're no WE or Prodos, and after all I'm an adult and allowed to buy whatever I like as long as it's legal - and I happen to like what RH offer. I already own a few models from them for use as Inquisitors and they work just fine alongside GW and other models. Even some WE models are usable to me, at least after a bit of converting

As a Marine Player I would buy atleast enough to build an ally force. I love mixing and matching.

well i am sure the off brand alternatives for Sisters of Battle are certainly not helping the cause.

 Jancoran wrote:
well i am sure the off brand alternatives for Sisters of Battle are certainly not helping the cause.

They're competition and they show that there is demand. If noone asked for alternatives and noone offered them I could totally understand GW dropping the SoB line entirely.

or understand that they are losing what little share they have of that demand.

I think that as a business if another company is allowed to steal your lunch, then you kind of have to take away the incentive. Sadly at my cost. I dunno what to say. GW made a big mistake moving from the Witch Hunters paradigm. in that paradigm, a lot more models could be part of that equation.

 Jancoran wrote:
or understand that they are losing what little share they have of that demand.

I think that as a business if another company is allowed to steal your lunch, then you kind of have to take away the incentive. Sadly at my cost. I dunno what to say. GW made a big mistake moving from the Witch Hunters paradigm. in that paradigm, a lot more models could be part of that equation.

I'm sure they still have the majority share of "SoB like model" sales. They're GW, after all. And no, businesses do not operate like that. Sure, they can simply not invest into SoBs at all, saving money - but they should realize that if they invested in new high-quality SoB, they could make a lot of money. And even if they didn't they could still benefit from it by simply releasing an updated Codex and SELLING that one. Because no 3rd party will produce a new Codex for 40k SoB. It's probably more a thing of "look , these other armies are much safer to invest in and we would have to redo the entire line which is a pretty big investment." - if they see that the investment could be worth it, they'll probably do it.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
They need a complete overhaul for me to play them. As it stand their rules are basically "Space Marines -1 T and S with more Melta and Flamers". Nothing against them personally but I already have 5 flavours of power armor and even those tend to have some gimmick going for them already.

I really wish they'd change the Faith system into something else that can rival psychic powers. One-use things never made me happy.

Most of the faith powers currently mimic psychic powers. ><

Really, I'd like to see the whole faith system scrapped outright and replaced with Rites of Battle like the old days. Permanent effects determined at the start of the game without any of this "they might be wizards but don't know it" crap.

Mimic doesn't necessarily mean as good

I really liked the third edition system, even if it was complicated as hell.

I'd say that automatic ignores cover or rending-on-a-leadership-test is probably better than rolling a psychic power for it. >>