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 Furyou Miko wrote:
I'd say that automatic ignores cover or rending-on-a-leadership-test is probably better than rolling a psychic power for it. >>

The way Acts of Faith is now is almost perfect, just give more faith points something like 2 per every 500points.

Or if there are formations give unlimited use of the (once per turn still) for certain formations.

I had a dream where I went into a local GW because I happened to be there at the mall and wanted to see if anything was new.

To my utter shock, there were brand-new boxes of plastic Sororitas minis. There was a box of 10 for 50 CDN that was basically for basic infantry with some options for heavy/special weapons, there was a box of 5 for 35 CDN that built Seraphim and Celestians, and a box of 5 Repentia. In terms of vehicles, they'd combined all Sororitas vehicles into one kit with options for Exorcist, Immolator and Rhino, and also a box set that built 2 Penitent Engines. There may have also been a plastic Canoness/Palatine pack along the lines of the newer command-figure boxes for various armies.

Upon seeing this, I stood there for a moment in shock, before sinking to my knees and dramatically bowing more than 90 degrees with my arms fully outstretched, while praising and thanking the gods for this miracle. A passerby behind me told me to "Stop being so dramatic for (feth's) sake!" So I got up, grabbed two of every box, and stood in a long line to pay for them.

I was so, so very sad when I woke up and realized it was just a dream. : (

I've also had numerous dreams where I go to my FLGS to look for OOP Sororitas models and find really amazing stuff, that I then am not allowed to buy for a variety of reasons.

Yes. If they ever do a large plastic release of sisters I will buy an army's worth.

nekooni wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
or understand that they are losing what little share they have of that demand.

I think that as a business if another company is allowed to steal your lunch, then you kind of have to take away the incentive. Sadly at my cost. I dunno what to say. GW made a big mistake moving from the Witch Hunters paradigm. in that paradigm, a lot more models could be part of that equation.

I'm sure they still have the majority share of "SoB like model" sales. They're GW, after all. And no, businesses do not operate like that. Sure, they can simply not invest into SoBs at all, saving money - but they should realize that if they invested in new high-quality SoB, they could make a lot of money. And even if they didn't they could still benefit from it by simply releasing an updated Codex and SELLING that one. Because no 3rd party will produce a new Codex for 40k SoB. It's probably more a thing of "look , these other armies are much safer to invest in and we would have to redo the entire line which is a pretty big investment." - if they see that the investment could be worth it, they'll probably do it.

I think I can speak with authority on the subject of how businesses operate.

The model line hasn't shown enough demand to justify creating a whole huge run of new models, though they may well do it anyways. It would be one of the triskiest things they've committed to in a long time if they do. I think they are more risk averse than that but I hope to God they have someone with the stones to do it.

 Jancoran wrote:

nekooni wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
or understand that they are losing what little share they have of that demand.

I think that as a business if another company is allowed to steal your lunch, then you kind of have to take away the incentive. Sadly at my cost. I dunno what to say. GW made a big mistake moving from the Witch Hunters paradigm. in that paradigm, a lot more models could be part of that equation.

I'm sure they still have the majority share of "SoB like model" sales. They're GW, after all. And no, businesses do not operate like that. Sure, they can simply not invest into SoBs at all, saving money - but they should realize that if they invested in new high-quality SoB, they could make a lot of money. And even if they didn't they could still benefit from it by simply releasing an updated Codex and SELLING that one. Because no 3rd party will produce a new Codex for 40k SoB. It's probably more a thing of "look , these other armies are much safer to invest in and we would have to redo the entire line which is a pretty big investment." - if they see that the investment could be worth it, they'll probably do it.

I think I can speak with authority on the subject of how businesses operate.

The model line hasn't shown enough demand to justify creating a whole huge run of new models, though they may well do it anyways. It would be one of the triskiest things they've committed to in a long time if they do. I think they are more risk averse than that but I hope to God they have someone with the stones to do it.

Personally, I'd buy more Sororitas models if I didn't already have enough of them to field every Sororitas army I would ever actually put on the battlefield in my present situation.

I'm at the point in my Sororitas collection where the only reason to actually get more models would be to have them sit on a shelf looking pretty.

Apparently that's not enough interest from me for GW to redo them in plastic. I would re-buy every Sororitas model I have in plastic, purely because I could actually do conversions that way (conversions with other GW parts from more kits I'd buy). After replacing my entire army with plastic models, I'd then keep up a slow but constant trickle of buying more plastic Sororitas so I could do the character conversion projects I've grown fond of.

I sent an e-mail to GW detailing this a year or two ago, the customer service rep told me to keep my faith strong because GW hadn't forgotten the Sororitas. Haven't seen a hint of plastic Sororitas or even the army getting a proper hardcopy Codex since then, even though the fething Imperial Guard STORMTROOPERS got a hardcopy Codex dedicated to their entirety of two units and a vehicle.

Yeah, REALLY feeling the love here, GW. TRULY.

Gimme a new Codex and plastic models and I'm in. I've got some of the old Metal Models (which I should fix and paint up) but I despise Metal Models to my very core and would never want to build a full army of them.

I'd likely switch factions immediately if the rules were even halfway decent.

 rybackstun wrote:
Gimme a new Codex and plastic models and I'm in. I've got some of the old Metal Models (which I should fix and paint up) but I despise Metal Models to my very core and would never want to build a full army of them.

I'd likely switch factions immediately if the rules were even halfway decent.

The existing rules aren't actually "halfway decent." In fact, they're pretty good as-is without relying on formations or über units that pollute the rest of 40K these days. I'm probably of the minority opinion that Sisters only need a few tweaks to add some variety to list building, and almost all of those tweaks can be made to existing, underused units in our current codex.

However, If given the choice between leaving the Sisters in their pseudo-Limbo state or getting an update and completely butchering the soul of the army, I choose the former

 the_Armyman wrote:

 rybackstun wrote:
Gimme a new Codex and plastic models and I'm in. I've got some of the old Metal Models (which I should fix and paint up) but I despise Metal Models to my very core and would never want to build a full army of them.

I'd likely switch factions immediately if the rules were even halfway decent.

The existing rules aren't actually "halfway decent." In fact, they're pretty good as-is without relying on formations or über units that pollute the rest of 40K these days. I'm probably of the minority opinion that Sisters only need a few tweaks to add some variety to list building, and almost all of those tweaks can be made to existing, underused units in our current codex.

However, If given the choice between leaving the Sisters in their pseudo-Limbo state or getting an update and completely butchering the soul of the army, I choose the former

To be honest, I am a bit wary about the prospect of GW redoing Sororitas in plastic. I saw what they did with Grey Knights, Necrons and Dark Eldar, and it leads me to think they'd make major, unneeded changes to the aesthetic.

I mean, I like most of the Sororitas minis (my two favorite sculpts are the Hospitaller and the Retributor with Heavy Bolter and my least favorite is the Dialogus), the main reason I want them in plastic is so I can do headswaps with Skinks and add Skink tails to make wonderfully-heretical scaly Sororitas models.

I am a bit worried that they'd change things for the sake of making them different enough that players can't mesh the old models with new and maintain a coherent look for their whole army in the process, and I'm even more worried that they'd mess with the aesthetic in a way I wouldn't like.

There's also the unfortunate possibility of GW designing Sororitas to be overpowered to boost sales as much as possible to justify the expenditure. This is a problem because 5e Grey Knights proved that people don't care if you're playing with your decade-old collection of minis, or even if they know that your primary faction has been Grey Knights (or in this case, Sororitas) for years. They're going to treat you exactly the same as they treat the flavour-of-the-month army-hopping power-gamers, with exactly the same insults and rude remarks. This is why I really, really hope Sororitas never become a top-tier or overpowered army. I don't want to deal with knowing that every time I bring up my favorite 40k army, tabletop gamers are going to look down on me like that.

I know I would at less be interested in picking them up. But with CSM and necrons already, I don't know if I would for certain pick up SoB

 Pouncey wrote:


I mean, I like most of the Sororitas minis (my two favorite sculpts are the Hospitaller and the Retributor with Heavy Bolter and my least favorite is the Dialogus), the main reason I want them in plastic is so I can do headswaps with Skinks and add Skink tails to make wonderfully-heretical scaly Sororitas models.

One day I will figure out why your draconians have boobs :p

 Pouncey wrote:

To be honest, I am a bit wary about the prospect of GW redoing Sororitas in plastic. I saw what they did with Grey Knights, Necrons and Dark Eldar, and it leads me to think they'd make major, unneeded changes to the aesthetic.

I'm not sure Dark Eldar belong in your list. Jes Goodwin is probably the only person at GW who could be left to his own devices and make an amazing Sisters reboot in plastic. Besides, I can ignore a bad sculpt or concept (i,.e., Dreadknight): what I can't simply sweep under the rug would be an entire codex of bad fluff and bad rules.

I mean, I like most of the Sororitas minis (my two favorite sculpts are the Hospitaller and the Retributor with Heavy Bolter and my least favorite is the Dialogus), the main reason I want them in plastic is so I can do headswaps with Skinks and add Skink tails to make wonderfully-heretical scaly Sororitas models.

I doubt that they'd completely redesign the Adepta Sorotitas look - I might be giving them too much credit, but considering that every single picture of them from any of the Digital Codexes, novels etc look essentially the same as they always have, I'd say they're sticking to that idea.

I heard they 'gun die. Just like ye old bretonnia. RIP the dream.

I just started my sisters army, I love metal models but a physical codex would rock

 drunken0elf wrote:
I heard they 'gun die. Just like ye old bretonnia. RIP the dream.

Like bretonnia who still has models and isn't dead? (Not yet anyway). Better to compare them to Tomb Kings.

 drunken0elf wrote:
I heard they 'gun die. Just like ye old bretonnia. RIP the dream.

Faithless heretics get purged, you know.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I'd say that automatic ignores cover or rending-on-a-leadership-test is probably better than rolling a psychic power for it. >>

I would definitely say that.

 drunken0elf wrote:
I heard they 'gun die. Just like ye old bretonnia. RIP the dream.

Not according to certain rumor sources.

 EnTyme wrote:

 drunken0elf wrote:
I heard they 'gun die. Just like ye old bretonnia. RIP the dream.

Not according to certain rumor sources.

It is a bit odd they have been out of stock of the boltor sister 10 pack for like, 2 months now.

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

 drunken0elf wrote:
I heard they 'gun die. Just like ye old bretonnia. RIP the dream.

Not according to certain rumor sources.

It is a bit odd they have been out of stock of the boltor sister 10 pack for like, 2 months now.

Maybe they've just been waiting to clear out a lot of stock before releasing the new ones? If they didn't, then everyone would be snapping up the new and improved models and the old stock becomes wasted profit. The same thing would happen if they announced new sisters. People would stop buying the old models they still had in stock to wait for improved new ones.

 Jancoran wrote:
I think I can speak with authority on the subject of how businesses operate.

Two false assumptions here: That GW operates the way you think businesses operate, and that the way businesses operate is inherently efficient.

 mmzero252 wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

 drunken0elf wrote:
I heard they 'gun die. Just like ye old bretonnia. RIP the dream.

Not according to certain rumor sources.

It is a bit odd they have been out of stock of the boltor sister 10 pack for like, 2 months now.

Maybe they've just been waiting to clear out a lot of stock before releasing the new ones? If they didn't, then everyone would be snapping up the new and improved models and the old stock becomes wasted profit. The same thing would happen if they announced new sisters. People would stop buying the old models they still had in stock to wait for improved new ones.

Honestly I think they are just treading water on sisters. GW hasn't been doing so well lately. They have been using a lot of short term extreme measures to keep up their profits. It would be really risky to do sisters because they pretty much need a universal update. Better to focus on sure sellers instead.

However, the good news is that probably aren't ging to get dropped. They keep sneaking them into books and there a ton of new art for them. That well keep printing just enough books and models to not completely destroy interest and release when things are looking better. For now they will just limited run the models on the metal stuff until they are ready to commit.

 mmzero252 wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

 drunken0elf wrote:
I heard they 'gun die. Just like ye old bretonnia. RIP the dream.

Not according to certain rumor sources.

It is a bit odd they have been out of stock of the boltor sister 10 pack for like, 2 months now.

Maybe they've just been waiting to clear out a lot of stock before releasing the new ones? If they didn't, then everyone would be snapping up the new and improved models and the old stock becomes wasted profit. The same thing would happen if they announced new sisters. People would stop buying the old models they still had in stock to wait for improved new ones.

I just hope for new metal models, won't happen but I can dream. Metal models give them such a damn good feeling on the board and its nice ordering from GW for the units I want instead of trying to ebay them like my eldar metal army.

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

I just hope for new metal models, won't happen but I can dream. Metal models give them such a damn good feeling on the board and its nice ordering from GW for the units I want instead of trying to ebay them like my eldar metal army.

Plus, with metal minis, you can wing them at an opponent's plastic Riptide/Wraithknight/Stormsurge if he's jerkish enough to field them against your Sisters!

 Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

I just hope for new metal models, won't happen but I can dream. Metal models give them such a damn good feeling on the board and its nice ordering from GW for the units I want instead of trying to ebay them like my eldar metal army.

Plus, with metal minis, you can wing them at an opponent's plastic Riptide/Wraithknight/Stormsurge if he's jerkish enough to field them against your Sisters!

I'll just hellstorm torrent their troops and then spam my meltas instead less chance of me breaking my backpacks off my models!

 Melissia wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
I think I can speak with authority on the subject of how businesses operate.

Two false assumptions here: That GW operates the way you think businesses operate, and that the way businesses operate is inherently efficient.

I think none of that changes my original statement. Lol.

I do hear people saying that they wouldn't buy any more models, but let's face it: One of the things GW is an expert at is building demand for new models/units. I'd love to see what kind of larger units/elite units they could make for the army.

 Jancoran wrote:
The model line hasn't shown enough demand to justify creating a whole huge run of new models, though they may well do it anyways. It would be one of the triskiest things they've committed to in a long time if they do. I think they are more risk averse than that but I hope to God they have someone with the stones to do it.

Aye, it would be a risk. But seeing how well they did with Dork Eldar and absolutely-not-Tomb-Kings-in-SPACE! it might be worth it. We had exactly one Deldar player before the relaunch, and he picked them mostly because they were extremely cheap to start with all the (eh... 3rd ed?) starter box kits available from people stuck with them. Now several other guys have at least a small force of them. Never saw a live Necron before the relaunch either, but out mr. Money immediately dropped several hundred on them.

I very much doubt it, sadly. Much like the bulk of the spending public it seems, I have never found nearly enough appeal in the Sororitas' background, miniatures or rules to want an army of space nuns in pointy braziers.

As it happens, I rate the chances of ever seeing them in plastic to be infinitesimally minute.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:


I mean, I like most of the Sororitas minis (my two favorite sculpts are the Hospitaller and the Retributor with Heavy Bolter and my least favorite is the Dialogus), the main reason I want them in plastic is so I can do headswaps with Skinks and add Skink tails to make wonderfully-heretical scaly Sororitas models.

One day I will figure out why your draconians have boobs :p

Have wondered the same thing about the Falleen from Star Wars for like fifteen years now.