GW's new edition of "Lost Patrol" ships June 18

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**beast_gts**

I used to a have a link to an interview with the guy they hired to develop them (Andy Jones? Jake Thornton?), but I cannot find it now... :-(

Most of them have (admittedly brief) Wikipedia pages.

"Ultra Marines is one of a series of 4 "introductory" board games released by Games Workshop in 1991 (The other three being Space Fleet, Kerrunch and Mighty Warriors)"

**Gashrog**

AegisGrimm wrote:

And another name for Advanced Space Crusade was Tyranid Attack.

Tyranid Attack was the replacement for Advanced Space Crusade, it reused the miniatures (plus some extras), boards and doors but the rules were totally different.

**Kirasu**

GW sure does love genestealers... they were pretty awesome during portions of 4th edition!

**RobertsMinis**

I'd love to get Space Fleet again. I liked it as a teen. I still think I have the ships in a box.

Never bought Lost Patrol but remember seeing in WD and the catalogue.

**reds8n**

http://quirkworthy.com/

Yesterday I’d gone exploring the wilds of Whitley Bay, visiting a games club I’d just discovered was only a short distance away. I returned to an inbox full of people telling me that Lost Patrol had resurfaced, and did I know any more about it. That was a bit of a surprise.

The short answer is “no”.

Yes I did design the original version, as part of a project to reuse existing plastic figures in new products. This was an intriguing challenge as I couldn’t get any new models made at all, and had a very limited budget for the rest of the components. Even so, I came up with a total of 6 finished games before the whole thing was canned. Sadly, only Gobbo’s Banquet (by Gav) and Lost Patrol made it out of there alive. I suspect that none of the other ones will never appear, which is a special shame for the waste of Ralph Horsley’s lovely board art for my version of Formula Waaagh! Ah well.

Now I like a lot about Lost Patrol, but it isn’t without its faults. Frankly, they irk me a little more every time I play (probably that’s because I think I could do better now, with an extra 16 years’ experience as a designer). Over the years I have asked both GW and FFG whether anyone was interested in a second edition as I’ve got some definite ideas about what I’d do to finesse it. From these queries I knew that FFG didn’t have that license, and as GW specifically kept it I guessed that it might resurface someday.

What looks like a press release has turned up on a number of sites (eg. ICV2, ACD Distribution), and doesn’t tell us much. But I’ll be keeping an eye on the news and I have to get myself a copy when it does come out, if only to see whether they’ve changed what I thought needed improving.

It’s a little bit of a shame not to be able to have any input myself, though to be honest as soon as I found out it was something GW were keeping for themselves I knew it would be that way.

Overall though, I’m excited about the prospect of getting my paws on a new copy to see what they’ve done with it

**Yodhrin**

richstrach wrote:
I've been slightly disappointed by GW's recent boxed games, in that I actually want to play them as board games and not as collections of miniatures with a board game thrown in. The prices for BaC and DO may be great considering the number of miniatures you get with them, but they're far too high for a standard board game - I'd prefer far fewer models and a lower price. This looks like it might redress the balance though, I'm really intrigued by it. And like some of the other posters, I've never heard of it before!

Erm, people are literally giving away the boardgame component of the recent boxed games at some clubs, and you can buy them on ebay for a pittance. If you want to play them as games for less money you can do that right now, no need to make the boxes less interesting and have less value for those of us mostly in it for the models.

Azreal13 wrote:
This really is weird. It's like that time I was on all fours in a nightclub being ridden by a pole dancer like a horse. There's pics of it, so it must have happened, I know I was there, but I have absolutely no recollection of it!

Same, except for me it was waking up in a field at 5am on a Monday morning having gone down to a local pub for "a couple of drinks" on the previous Friday evening and having no memory after that. This is actually slightly disconcerting, even the GW stuff I didn't own or play I have at least some secondhand knowledge of, even the stuff they brought out before I was even born, but I've never even heard this referred to in passing before now

**Fenrir Kitsune**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
I used to have this, I think. Numbers in the lid game

Wasn't that Ultramarine?

I can't remember really. One of the two.

**AndrewGPaul**

Ultramarine used the plastic Scouts from Advanced Space Crusade (in four different colours) and the board tiles from 1st edition Space Hulk.

Kerrunch used the humans, dwarves, elves and orcs from 2nd edition Blood Bowl and Dungeonbowl.

Space Fleet used new plastic Imperial Gothic battleships and Eldar Wraithships.

Mighty Warriors used the heroes and Skaven from Advanced Heroquest, and tiles using artwork from the old Dungeon Rooms floor tiles box set.

All four of those had you roll dice in the box lid - the number on the dice didn't (usually) mean anything, only the position of the dice in the hit / miss grid. I suppose you could replicate that with a handful of D9s.

Tyranid Attack used many of the same components (miniatures and floor tiles) as Advanced Space Crusade, but it was an entirely new game, really.

I've never heard of Lost Patrol before, but I wasn't really following GW games in 2000. It looks like there was also Gobbo's Banquet, which looks like it used the goblins from the 4th edition Warhammer Fantasy Battles box, and the bats, snotlings and spiders from Warhammer Quest.

At this rate, I'm half-expecting a new edition of Bommers over Da Sulphur River.

**Baragash**

Need some re-releases of Trolls in the Pantry and Oi! Dat's My Leg TBH

**WholeHazelNuts**

Well I can safely say it existed as I have a copy in my garage!

And I created some of the tiles sets for Patrol:Lost....

Bommers over Da Sulpha River - I've got that as well! Hope they redo that....

**TheAuldGrump**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Are we sure this game ever existed?

I mean in 2000 I was working a few blocks from a GW store and had a WD subscription. I don't see how I could have missed this.

I remember it - it was only in the catalog for about two months, though.

At the time I remember thinking that it was a clever way to repackage or reuse a a lot of components - even the board tiles were the same size as the tiles in Mighty Empires, which allowed them to reuse the cutting die for making the board.

That said, it wasn't a bad game - just a very inexpensive one for GW.

The Auld Grump

*EDIT* If GW ever wants to regain me as a customer... Warhammer Quest.... (Though I will likely at least get the rules book for Mordheim.)

**Azreal13**

I'm wondering, given the rather unusual "press release" product announcement, completely counter to their usual strategy, and the self contained and likely rather basic nature of the box contents, if this is another element to the "get our stuff into mainstream toy shops" plan like the build and paint models seem to be?

**gungo**

privateer4hire wrote:
Barzam wrote:
This came out of left field. Hopefully the game is good. I've heard that the original was just okay and that the game was a serious meat grinder. I suspect that it won't have any new models since it's only $60, but it would certainly be a nice surprise if it did.

My concern is it will not sell as many units or whatever GW will use as a measure of success. They will take this as a sign that a $150-$165/unit games with more stuff is what the market really wants since BaC and DWOK are presumably doing well sales-wise.

I don't foresee this box set doing that great sales wise even if it includes new sculpts for a 5 man plastic scout squad. How many people actually need more scouts? I don't forsee a 4th set of genestealer plastic molds and if they do I don't foresee a huge rush to get more of them from players. Considering we have space hulk, current 40k box set, 2 from deathwatch, etc. The game will likely have to sell based on the quality of the games own merits and not necessarily the additional models.

**Kilkrazy**

That's exactly my thoughts. If the map tiles are particularly good, I might buy it for them, but I'm already not interested in the figures. That said, it would not be a massive task to make my own set of map tiles if I wanted them.

**highlord tamburlaine**

With the constant popularity of dungeon crawling games, you'd think GW would dip into that back catalog of theirs...

**richstrach**

Erm, people are literally giving away the boardgame component of the recent boxed games at some clubs, and you can buy them on ebay for a pittance. If you want to play them as games for less money you can do that right now, no need to make the boxes less interesting and have less value for those of us mostly in it for the models.

That's not quite what I meant - I don't mean I wish BaC had been released with fewer models at a cheaper price, but that GW's mindset was more geared towards releasing specific affordable board/boxed games, rather than starter sets masquerading as boxed games, or sets intended to be cross-compatible with 40K. In other words, I wish they would also release games (in addition to things like BaC) that aren't primarily aimed at people who are in it for the models! I understand perfectly well why they're doing it, and it makes sound business sense to cater to their proven market, but there's no reason they couldn't release games similar to what FFG currently has on license (Chaos in the Old World for example) and try to capture a new market on top of that. And the best way to do that would be to design them from the ground up as board games, perhaps even with (gasp!) miniatures that aren't intended to be used in 40K or Aos.

**AndrewGPaul**

The contents list I've seen somewhere says there's twelve 'stealers and six "infestations". Coincidentally, each existing Genestealer sprues has four 'stealers and two little terrain pieces/markers, so I think it'll be three of those sprues. It might include new Scouts, but I think they'll be the existing plastics.

**Kid_Kyoto**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
With the constant popularity of dungeon crawling games, you'd think GW would dip into that back catalog of theirs...

How?

the whole planet Warhammer, it blowed up!

BOOM!

No more planet Warhammer.

All dungeons just dust in wind.

**highlord tamburlaine**

Hey, Sigmar and the Stormcast have infinite bubbles to go crawl through looking for their phat loot.

Bubble crawlers will be the next big thing, mark my words!

**Gitkikka**

Never heard of it, and I have an indecent amount of those Mohawk scouts.

Lost Patrol indeed.

**privateer4hire**

gungo wrote:
privateer4hire wrote:
Barzam wrote:
This came out of left field. Hopefully the game is good. I've heard that the original was just okay and that the game was a serious meat grinder. I suspect that it won't have any new models since it's only $60, but it would certainly be a nice surprise if it did.

My concern is it will not sell as many units or whatever GW will use as a measure of success. They will take this as a sign that a $150-$165/unit games with more stuff is what the market really wants since BaC and DWOK are presumably doing well sales-wise.

I don't foresee this box set doing that great sales wise even if it includes new sculpts for a 5 man plastic scout squad. How many people actually need more scouts? I don't forsee a 4th set of genestealer plastic molds and if they do I don't foresee a huge rush to get more of them from players. Considering we have space hulk, current 40k box set, 2 from deathwatch, etc. The game will likely have to sell based on the quality of the games own merits and not necessarily the additional models.

Agreed. And I fear that GW's leadership will view any lack of sales for this product as sign that, doggone it, we were right to think we are a model-making company on the top of the quality scale.
See how when we tried to reach the lower end of the market that nobody responded. Let's make the next boxed game $200 MSRP.

**xKillGorex**

God I remember picking that game up just for the old style scouts. Not a bad little game sadly lost it somewhere over the years. Haven't bought any gw stuff for about 2-3 yrs but might have a look at this one.

**Waaargh**

Is that a heavy flamer for the scouts? Notice the small looking genestealer hands.

**JamesY**

I had that, if I recall rightly you got tyranid warriors (the gopher teeth ones in the 2nd ed book), and loads of hybrids on the stealer side, and two squads of scouts and a squad of termis on imperial side. Amazing box at the time. I don't think I ever actually played the game though, just built and painted them. Might still have the scouts somewhere with the rt beakies.

**BrookM**

The original game had five scouts: one sergeant, three with pistols and ccw's, the last with a heavy bolter.

**guru**

mmm.... what there behind... blood bowl box???

**BrookM**

Also, looks like the Nid sprue has a pair of Tangleweed markers, noice!

**RoninXiC**

guru wrote:
mmm.... what there behind... blood bowl box???

like... who the heck cares about puny scouts!

Blood Bowl pictures please

**JamesY**

BrookM wrote:
The original game had five scouts: one sergeant, three with pistols and ccw's, the last with a heavy bolter.

Hmmm I have two sets of scouts here... Must have had two boxes, or done some trading. Might explain the lack of nid side.

**Bottle**

BrookM wrote:
Also, looks like the Nid sprue has a pair of Tangleweed markers, noice!

Haha, Arbitrators rejoice!