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Maybe... just maybe... this product isn't aimed at dwellers on this forum? And that's OK.

If someone buys the game for the mini's I'll buy the rest, cause the game looks pretty cool!

Part of me wonders if the sprues are just mockups.

"Pure" board gamers seem to absolutely DESPISE having to put things together.

Maybe we'll see snap fits instead?

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Maybe... just maybe... this product isn't aimed at dwellers on this forum? And that's OK.

Well that'd be a daft thing to do, 'cos it's mostly dwellers on forums like these who buy them, to get the space marines out of 'em.

RoperPG wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Those are the tiles?

Well forget that...

The whole schtick of the game was that the jungle constantly changed/moved, broadly using LOS to determine 'live' sections, so myriad smaller sections is a better fit for that.

That was actually the best part of the old game - it felt claustrophobic, with the jungle pressing in on you. A very good way to handle Fog of War.

Though I always felt that it would have been a better fit for Imperial Guard than for SM Scouts - Catachans would have felt right at home.

The Auld Grump, either that or curl up in a ball crying 'Game over, man! Game over!'

 Vermis wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Maybe... just maybe... this product isn't aimed at dwellers on this forum? And that's OK.

Well that'd be a daft thing to do, 'cos it's mostly dwellers on forums like these who buy them, to get the space marines out of 'em.

BaC and DW:OK targetted different demographics to success (I think), maybe GW can target another demographic again with this game to success once more.

The whole schtick of the game was that the jungle constantly changed/moved, broadly using LOS to determine 'live' sections, so myriad smaller sections is a better fit for that.

Thats quite interesting imo.

I just wonder how different/dynamic the game mechanices will be? I have a bucketload of Stealer forces and a few scouts so could other games like SH/BaC count as game tiles? i.e. why pick this up if and when the ruleset gets leaked?
If the tiles are ultra unique, cool, but if not, Im sure a lot of us could proxy tile games in. And Scouts arent that exciting :(

Anyway nice to see a throwback game coming out - now GW need to hit us with the real classics.....Oh boy please do Space Crusade again.....Or Heroquest.....

 Vermis wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Maybe... just maybe... this product isn't aimed at dwellers on this forum? And that's OK.

Well that'd be a daft thing to do, 'cos it's mostly dwellers on forums like these who buy them, to get the space marines out of 'em.

And that's a problem. Preaching to the (shrinking) choir has scored them successive years of declining profit and revenue. Experimenting with finding new customers is a sensible and rational response to that.

Bottle wrote:
BaC and DW:OK targetted different demographics to success (I think)

Yeah, people who want 40K space marines beating up genestealers, and people who want 30K space marines beating up other 30K space marines.

Azreal13 wrote:Experimenting with finding new customers is a sensible and rational response to that.

Aye. As Highlord Tamburlaine hinted, the overlap between people wanting expensive boxes full of 40K bits and more 'mainstream' board gamers might not be that high. Same reasons may apply if it's intended as a hook to get new kiddies interested in 40K.
I might say more about the quality of modern GW boardgame rules too *cough*dreadfleet*cough* but to be honest I can't say too much about DWOK: I haven't looked at my copy of the rulebook yet and TBH I'm not bothered if I ever do. I have heard only good things about it... oh wait, I mean I've heard only one thing about it, that happened to be good.

(It's amazing. Soon as the game was out and people started getting their copies, that topic died like a guardsman. Does anyone play it?)

The thread died largely because it got relegated to the GW unsupported and specialist game forum.

I bought DWOK for the game BUT also bought the WD with the GSC rules in it. I had been considering playing 7th with GSC. But the combo of GW writing a GSC HQ with psychic powers that can't be used PLUS You Make Da Call's discussion on that point reminding me why I dropped out in 5th edition cured me.

BaC is also a solid game and even Execution Force lets you play one mission (even solo). So the rules to their recent stuff is fairly decent without having to suffer the 40k argument phase

 privateer4hire wrote:
The thread died largely because it got relegated to the GW unsupported and specialist game forum.

If that's anywhere near the truth then it just opens up a deeper gulf between people who want a big box of 40K bits and boardgamers.

The thread died largely because it got relegated to the GW unsupported and specialist game forum.



If that's anywhere near the truth then it just opens up a deeper gulf between people who want a big box of 40K bits and boardgamers.

Hmmm, how so?

 privateer4hire wrote:
The thread died largely because it got relegated to the GW unsupported and specialist game forum.

I bought DWOK for the game BUT also bought the WD with the GSC rules in it. I had been considering playing 7th with GSC. But the combo of GW writing a GSC HQ with psychic powers that can't be used PLUS You Make Da Call's discussion on that point reminding me why I dropped out in 5th edition cured me.

BaC is also a solid game and even Execution Force lets you play one mission (even solo). So the rules to their recent stuff is fairly decent without having to suffer the 40k argument phase

What are you on about? They generate psychic powers on telepathy. One of the strongest disciplines in the game...

lost patrol (unbox) at the dice tower, Blood bowl wip box.

Zoom in dammit!!!

There is a lot of talk, usually referencing Dreadfleet about gw board games being bad, but if you look at gw's last 5 games only Dreadfleet was poorly recieved. An 80% success rate is pretty good really. If this game does wellitt will be even better. It was a big disappointment for me when Dreadfleet failed. It was a genuinely ambitious project. I personally loved the minis and the 'board'. I think it's failure set the board game project back 5 years. We would definitely have already seen a new bloodbowl game if it had succeeded.
I hope gw continues to experiment with board games. I hope the new ceo continues to steer the company back towards being a game maker again
I hope that future of the company is as good as it has been in my dreams. I hope...

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Odd choices for a re-boxing focused game... the scouts are not really regarded as their strongest minis, and frankly the genestealers are a bit out of date compared to the spacehulk and DWOK stealers. Not to mention being a bit flogged in their boardgames anyways lol.

I dunno, one would figure they would choose stronger models as enticement. I would understand if they were re-boxing old-stock but these are clearly fresh pulls due to the colored plastics used. Odd! And, with relief at this point after 2 DWOK boxes, a pass for me lol.

I am not sure if it is a reboxing as the old scouts were more like Necromunda juves in armor, as the cover of the game has the new version Scouts, i assume they will use new plastic scouts, and new stealers

Chikout wrote:
There is a lot of talk, usually referencing Dreadfleet about gw board games being bad, but if you look at gw's last 5 games only Dreadfleet was poorly recieved. An 80% success rate is pretty good really. If this game does wellitt will be even better. It was a big disappointment for me when Dreadfleet failed. It was a genuinely ambitious project. I personally loved the minis and the 'board'. I think it's failure set the board game project back 5 years. We would definitely have already seen a new bloodbowl game if it had succeeded.
I hope gw continues to experiment with board games. I hope the new ceo continues to steer the company back towards being a game maker again
I hope that future of the company is as good as it has been in my dreams. I hope...

That's a little misrepresentative. 80% of GW's last 5 board games may have been positively received, but largely for the minis, not the games themselves.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Odd choices for a re-boxing focused game... the scouts are not really regarded as their strongest minis, and frankly the genestealers are a bit out of date compared to the spacehulk and DWOK stealers. Not to mention being a bit flogged in their boardgames anyways lol.

I dunno, one would figure they would choose stronger models as enticement. I would understand if they were re-boxing old-stock but these are clearly fresh pulls due to the colored plastics used. Odd! And, with relief at this point after 2 DWOK boxes, a pass for me lol.

I am not sure if it is a reboxing as the old scouts were more like Necromunda juves in armor, as the cover of the game has the new version Scouts, i assume they will use new plastic scouts, and new stealers

What on earth made you think I was referencing anything other than the current scouts and stealers?

 General Kroll wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
The thread died largely because it got relegated to the GW unsupported and specialist game forum.

I bought DWOK for the game BUT also bought the WD with the GSC rules in it. I had been considering playing 7th with GSC. But the combo of GW writing a GSC HQ with psychic powers that can't be used PLUS You Make Da Call's discussion on that point reminding me why I dropped out in 5th edition cured me.

BaC is also a solid game and even Execution Force lets you play one mission (even solo). So the rules to their recent stuff is fairly decent without having to suffer the 40k argument phase

What are you on about? They generate psychic powers on telepathy. One of the strongest disciplines in the game...

With a BS value of zero, which the forum has argued is/isn't allowable to access the psychic power.
So you very likely could face an opponent who will not recognize the model's ability to use its listed weapons due to BS0.
That is what I'm ON about

 Vermis wrote:


Aye. As Highlord Tamburlaine hinted, the overlap between people wanting expensive boxes full of 40K bits and more 'mainstream' board gamers might not be that high. Same reasons may apply if it's intended as a hook to get new kiddies interested in 40K.
I might say more about the quality of modern GW boardgame rules too *cough*dreadfleet*cough* but to be honest I can't say too much about DWOK: I haven't looked at my copy of the rulebook yet and TBH I'm not bothered if I ever do. I have heard only good things about it... oh wait, I mean I've heard only one thing about it, that happened to be good.

(It's amazing. Soon as the game was out and people started getting their copies, that topic died like a guardsman. Does anyone play it?)

I dunno, I would bet there are a lot, A LOT of casual fans out there who read books, play video games and look at models but don't have the time/money/inclanation do whole armies. But a small game with just a handful of models might bring them in.

 MajorTom11 wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Odd choices for a re-boxing focused game... the scouts are not really regarded as their strongest minis, and frankly the genestealers are a bit out of date compared to the spacehulk and DWOK stealers. Not to mention being a bit flogged in their boardgames anyways lol.

I dunno, one would figure they would choose stronger models as enticement. I would understand if they were re-boxing old-stock but these are clearly fresh pulls due to the colored plastics used. Odd! And, with relief at this point after 2 DWOK boxes, a pass for me lol.

I am not sure if it is a reboxing as the old scouts were more like Necromunda juves in armor, as the cover of the game has the new version Scouts, i assume they will use new plastic scouts, and new stealers

What on earth made you think I was referencing anything other than the current scouts and stealers?

I don't know, saying re-boxing?

 privateer4hire wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
The thread died largely because it got relegated to the GW unsupported and specialist game forum.

I bought DWOK for the game BUT also bought the WD with the GSC rules in it. I had been considering playing 7th with GSC. But the combo of GW writing a GSC HQ with psychic powers that can't be used PLUS You Make Da Call's discussion on that point reminding me why I dropped out in 5th edition cured me.

BaC is also a solid game and even Execution Force lets you play one mission (even solo). So the rules to their recent stuff is fairly decent without having to suffer the 40k argument phase

What are you on about? They generate psychic powers on telepathy. One of the strongest disciplines in the game...

With a BS value of zero, which the forum has argued is/isn't allowable to access the psychic power.
So you very likely could face an opponent who will not recognize the model's ability to use its listed weapons due to BS0.
That is what I'm ON about

So the broodlord can't do psychic shriek...big whoop. There are 6 other powers on the telepathy table. It's hardly the end of the world.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Odd choices for a re-boxing focused game... the scouts are not really regarded as their strongest minis, and frankly the genestealers are a bit out of date compared to the spacehulk and DWOK stealers. Not to mention being a bit flogged in their boardgames anyways lol.

I dunno, one would figure they would choose stronger models as enticement. I would understand if they were re-boxing old-stock but these are clearly fresh pulls due to the colored plastics used. Odd! And, with relief at this point after 2 DWOK boxes, a pass for me lol.

I am not sure if it is a reboxing as the old scouts were more like Necromunda juves in armor, as the cover of the game has the new version Scouts, i assume they will use new plastic scouts, and new stealers

What on earth made you think I was referencing anything other than the current scouts and stealers?

I don't know, saying re-boxing?

You can't rebox current but not big selling stuff in an attempt to clear inventory? Or to update packaging to current brand standards? Lol just to be clear, no, i wasnt talking about the original plastic scouts or stealers from the early/mid 90's , but the lantern jawed charicature headed current scouts and the decent but static current plastic stealer box.

 Vermis wrote:

Bottle wrote:
BaC and DW:OK targetted different demographics to success (I think)

Yeah, people who want 40K space marines beating up genestealers, and people who want 30K space marines beating up other 30K space marines.

Sure you could summarise it like that, but I think the BaC boxset targetted existing 40k customers wanting to make the leap into 30k. (And that's the next progression in the customer lifecycle for most 40k players who don't just want to start another new army). Whereas DW:OK seemed to target moreso lost customers and old timers with a self-contained game reminiscent of Space Hulk and lots of throwbacks to 2nd Edition (Genestealer Cult, autoguns, autopistols, needle pistols, Delaque style aesthetic of one hybrid).

I see Lost Patrol targeting new customers, the board game crowd more specifically, and also lost customers who might now have small children who they can play simple board games with.

(It's amazing. Soon as the game was out and people started getting their copies, that topic died like a guardsman. Does anyone play it?)

Give it some time lol! I am still putting my kit together.

 Vermis wrote:

(It's amazing. Soon as the game was out and people started getting their copies, that topic died like a guardsman. Does anyone play it?)

I bought DW:OK for the models, and it turns out my boyfriend really loves the game. He has painted a fair share of warhammer models earlier, but never played because of the complex rules. This hit the sweet spot of both immersion and very sweet models and accessible rules.

Now he has even expressed interest in playing other skrimish games with a wider choice of models and stories. So I'm planning Blades and Heroes as the next step and Inquisitormunda after that...

 Azreal13 wrote:

Chikout wrote:
There is a lot of talk, usually referencing Dreadfleet about gw board games being bad, but if you look at gw's last 5 games only Dreadfleet was poorly recieved. An 80% success rate is pretty good really. If this game does wellitt will be even better. It was a big disappointment for me when Dreadfleet failed. It was a genuinely ambitious project. I personally loved the minis and the 'board'. I think it's failure set the board game project back 5 years. We would definitely have already seen a new bloodbowl game if it had succeeded.
I hope gw continues to experiment with board games. I hope the new ceo continues to steer the company back towards being a game maker again
I hope that future of the company is as good as it has been in my dreams. I hope...

That's a little misrepresentative. 80% of GW's last 5 board games may have been positively received, but largely for the minis, not the games themselves.

Or is that just Dakka's skewed perception that considers the games a mini delivery service, and doesn't even give the games a chance? Too bad for the people that couldn't be bothered to play the games; they have missed out on some decent ones.

I'd say the games have gotten better each release. Space Hulk was really bad. There were great pieces, but most of the models weren't anything special- more like filler. Coupled with nothing keeping the heavy boards from breaking your lightning claws, chains, or blood drops. Can't say I would do it again. The game is boring as any old overrated board game can be.

Deathwatch and the assassin game at least covered something people somewhat craved. Why would anybody buy an AoS starter at near retail when they could get Deathwatch?

Why is the AoS starter so high if they can pump off decent board games at nearly the same cost. They sure don't care to make things easy on themselves.

My AoS starter was a fraction of Deathwatch's price.

Deathwatch is well into the triple digit pricing in the States around my neck of the woods, whereas I got Sigmar for less than 80 at retail.

Truth be told though I would have preferred the prices be switched, as I'm far more likely to see a board game get played in my house than a skirmish.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
My AoS starter was a fraction of Deathwatch's price.

Deathwatch is well into the triple digit pricing in the States around my neck of the woods, whereas I got Sigmar for less than 80 at retail.

Truth be told though I would have preferred the prices be switched, as I'm far more likely to see a board game get played in my house than a skirmish.

I hear you but suggest that comparing your specific retail price for AoS with DWOK's MSRP is a little off the mark.
AoS's MSRP is $125 and DWOK is $165.


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JNC wrote:
I'd say the games have gotten better each release. Space Hulk was really bad. There were great pieces, but most of the models weren't anything special- more like filler. Coupled with nothing keeping the heavy boards from breaking your lightning claws, chains, or blood drops. Can't say I would do it again. The game is boring as any old overrated board game can be.

Deathwatch and the assassin game at least covered something people somewhat craved. Why would anybody buy an AoS starter at near retail when they could get Deathwatch?

Why is the AoS starter so high if they can pump off decent board games at nearly the same cost. They sure don't care to make things easy on themselves.

They've always loss-led their starter products. You could get 10 tactical marines, 5 termies, and a dread + a nice little ork force and the core rule book in Black Reach for around $100 IIRC.
That's when 10 tactical marines were running around $35 and termies were at least $40 for a box of 5.

Not defending it and their stormcast unit box prices are beyond the definition to insane. But the starter boxes tend to be good 'relative' value.