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JNC wrote: I'd say the games have gotten better each release. Space Hulk was really bad. There were great pieces, but most of the models weren't anything special- more like filler. Coupled with nothing keeping the heavy boards from breaking your lightning claws, chains, or blood drops. Can't say I would do it again. The game is boring as any old overrated board game can be.
Deathwatch and the assassin game at least covered something people somewhat craved. Why would anybody buy an AoS starter at near retail when they could get Deathwatch?
Why is the AoS starter so high if they can pump off decent board games at nearly the same cost. They sure don't care to make things easy on themselves.
Space Hulk really bad?! Pull the other one. None of the games have anything stopping your minis getting broken, if you have difficulty try using a shelf or cabinet. Also how is the demand for a skirmish fantasy starter set vs scifi nostalgia board game/model collection needs comparable? AOS £75 for 47 models Assassins £75 for 24 models 30k £95 for 38 models Deathwatch £100 for 50 models I struggle to see issue with the price point? May be i'm miss understanding your point.
I think GW consistently shine in there box sets ive only not bought dreadfleet from there recent 6 plus years of starters and boxed games. I hope they remake more of the oldies personally. I missed out of bloodbowl so id love tp have a go at a remake, the misses still likes playing space hulk n warhammer quest.
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Space Hulk really bad?! Pull the other one. None of the games have anything stopping your minis getting broken, if you have difficulty try using a shelf or cabinet.
1)Not bad as much as boring, IMO. People talked it up like it was some super game, and then I played it. Nothing really sticks out - it shows its age. I didn't care for the scenarios because they lacked any feel of progression; it wasn't interesting.
The minis are great until they are not. Awesome detail, but some have awful quirks.
-bent over marine attacking the ground b/c he's shoved into a corner so tight there wasn't anything else they could do - filler.
-marines that look like they are flopping face-first into the ground. Seriously, why are some of them so low and forward? That's not how people run forward - especially in armor.
-Genestealers doing odd raised lifts b/c they are are flat as spures would allow -lots of odd stuff. I wasn't impressed.
The 'runner' Stealers are better than the multi-piece kit tho' -taller/better arm spread, and the 'jumper' is cool.
I fully admit the good pieces are really good.
2)Delivery - no GW to buy from. The spures are on top of incredibly bulky boards, with nothing stopping the weight from impacting on the weak spots if it shifts or gets flipped. Shelves wouldn't help that.
Also how is the demand for a skirmish fantasy starter set vs scifi nostalgia board game/model collection needs comparable?
3) only comparable to the buyer who is comparing what they would buy for around 120$.
Comparison is the thief of joy, something has gotta give. I personally am not made of money. Delay once, and the opportunities tend to close, for various reasons.
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(haven't watched it myself yet - stuck at work)
from about 3h11mins onwards
EDIT: rrp $60
EDIT2: blood bowl stuff at 3h14m! EDIT3: no real info tho - boo!
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What you describe is just a multibuy offer or bundle deal, it's only loss-leading if you actually make a loss, GW starter sets are not loss-making.
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Chikout wrote: There is a lot of talk, usually referencing Dreadfleet about gw board games being bad, but if you look at gw's last 5 games only Dreadfleet was poorly recieved. An 80% success rate is pretty good really. If this game does wellitt will be even better. It was a big disappointment for me when Dreadfleet failed. It was a genuinely ambitious project. I personally loved the minis and the 'board'. I think it's failure set the board game project back 5 years.
I don't know the reason for Dreadfleets bad sales - maybe it's the storyline - the game itself plays well. Tho we take out the event cards and never missed them.
What you describe is just a multibuy offer or bundle deal, it's only loss-leading if you actually make a loss, GW starter sets are not loss-making.
At least some business sites consider it a loss leader if the sale is less than what it would have sold for in an open and competitive market.
But multibuy sounds good to me, too.
My point was GW sells their starter sets for less---often significantly less---than they do their individual unit/model sales.
Chikout wrote: There is a lot of talk, usually referencing Dreadfleet about gw board games being bad, but if you look at gw's last 5 games only Dreadfleet was poorly recieved. An 80% success rate is pretty good really. If this game does wellitt will be even better. It was a big disappointment for me when Dreadfleet failed. It was a genuinely ambitious project. I personally loved the minis and the 'board'. I think it's failure set the board game project back 5 years.
I don't know the reason for Dreadfleets bad sales - maybe it's the storyline - the game itself plays well. Tho we take out the event cards and never missed them.
Not according to nearly any reviews.
Dreadfleet is pretty much reviled by the folks that reviewed it. (Though there was a short lived attempt to salvage the game... until GW destroyed their remaining stock.)
So, blame the reviewers - whether or not you agree with them, the reviews were a major reason for the game's failure.
The Auld Grump - having read the rules... I agree with the reviewers.
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£35 is a great price. I think I'll be getting this. Seems a perfect way to expand on my Deathwatch Overkill with some more Genestealers later on in the year - and get another great little board game with it.
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CragHack wrote: Lost Patrol returns aaand is gone out of stock in what, 1 hour after?
I don't think it was meant to go up.
Well, they say it's out of stock. And you can't pre order it, there's just the 'email me' option to get the notification when its back in stock. Unless they meant that. But then what's the point in doing so...
CragHack wrote: Lost Patrol returns aaand is gone out of stock in what, 1 hour after?
I don't think it was meant to go up.
Well, they say it's out of stock. And you can't pre order it, there's just the 'email me' option to get the notification when its back in stock. Unless they meant that. But then what's the point in doing so...
Things have gone up for preorder in advance before, and they automatically get put as "Temporarily Out Of Stock".
CragHack wrote: Lost Patrol returns aaand is gone out of stock in what, 1 hour after?
I don't think it was meant to go up.
Well, they say it's out of stock. And you can't pre order it, there's just the 'email me' option to get the notification when its back in stock. Unless they meant that. But then what's the point in doing so...
Things have gone up for preorder in advance before, and they automatically get put as "Temporarily Out Of Stock".
Never seen that happen. Well, maybe with 'End Times' hardbacks and TO cards when they used to be limited. Anyways, fact is that they currently can no longer be pre ordered. But I hope GW will fix this
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2016/04/16 05:16:16
Subject: GW's new edition of "Lost Patrol" ships June 18
About a couple of years ago, I stumbled across the Lost Patrol thread on BGG. It was released in 2000. Long out of print. At one time, GW provided a pdf of the rules, tokens, and map hexes. That was removed during the Great IP Purge. But, it's still on the Internet. I downloaded and built my own copy. Cheap, easy, takes a lot less than 30 minutes. Of course, I still have a 25 year-old squad of Mohawk Marines from Advanced Space Crusade fame. So, I was all set. to play.
If you want to see the LP rules, you can find'em easy. The map hexes seem to be a bit harder to find. But, on BGG, under the supremely deceptive title Patrol: Lost, are hex tile files for alternative settings, like Space Hulk-ish, or a desert. For the even more adventuresome, I posted a couple of alternative settings on the Lost Patrol forum (Ork Mob and Necromunda gang).
The game is very simple, very basic, very luck driven. Games don't take 30 minutes. The original game is also very biased against the Scouts. The problem with that is there aren't enough decisions, and there is much too much luck to increase your win record with better strategy Still, it"s fun.
The new game replaces critter tokens with Genestealer Models. This must require some rules changes. The models are older molds cast in color specific plastic. Nothing new. Which leads me to believe the games wont sell to 40K gamers just for their models. So, probably no glut of cardboard on ebay. It's made for folks who want a boardgame with interesting GW models.
2016/04/16 06:31:38
Subject: GW's new edition of "Lost Patrol" ships June 18
While I don't buy gw stuff anymore apart the odd paint I will be picking this up. May even paint the scouts as battered raptor marines with jungle camo. Hell even the odd boonie hat just for laughs.
2016/04/16 06:42:25
Subject: GW's new edition of "Lost Patrol" ships June 18
xKillGorex wrote: While I don't buy gw stuff anymore apart the odd paint I will be picking this up. May even paint the scouts as battered raptor marines with jungle camo. Hell even the odd boonie hat just for laughs.
And with this statement, I am now forced to purchase this game and steal your idea for myself. Damn you xKillGorex!
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2016/04/16 07:11:40
Subject: GW's new edition of "Lost Patrol" ships June 18
I feel these heads would be a great fit for five scouts in the jungle, stalked by aliens, attempting to escape and get to the choppah! activate the dropship.
Yeah this is a game I'd pick up just to add to my collection. I'd say the price is right too!
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2016/05/05 19:41:29
Subject: GW's new edition of "Lost Patrol" ships June 18
they've actually sent out a promotional copy of this to Beast of War (a site who a few years ago they were threatening with the lawyers to the extent they had to drop out of their hookup with wayland games anf go back to Ireland)
Lost Patrol – It Begins
Games Workshop have sent us this amazing Lost Patrol box with all the miniatures and tiles involved. As we’re gamers and hobbyists we’re obviously eager to get playing straight away.
Justin’s going to be working on the models and as Dawn of War III has been announced, I think it’s time for a gritty paint job for the deadly jungle.
I have in mind an upgrade in terrain, I wish to create some 2.5D pieces to place on the board and use some of the spare plants I have boxed away.
so if you want to see what's in the box and how they build, paint and put together some terrain check it out here
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