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I was having an argument with a friend of mine. He stated that if chaos wipe out mankind in this galaxy thwn chaos will cease to be because the Gods will no longer have a source of worship for their power. I agree that the source of thw Gods power is from the actions and worship of mortal beings but I see no reason why this Galaxy is the only source of such emotions, I proposed that the warp spanned the entire universe and that this Galaxy is only one of their many sources of power. However we could not agree as we could not find any reference to the warps presence in different parts to the universe.
(One argument he did use was that Slaanesh was born in this galaxy, I countered by asking why there are no other tears to the warp in this Galaxy from other births of the Gods: I suggested that there are other places in the universe where the other three Gods birthed into reality)

Could someone please shed some light on any fluff that definitively proves whether or not the ruinous powers span the entire universe.

Well from what we know, it is suggested the 3 other Gods were birthed by humans in our galaxy (even only by Terrans).

For the warp being universal, I think that as an "immaterial copy" of the materium, it is structured the same way, and since the void between galaxies is so HUGELY HUGE (note the emphasis), warp currents are that more or less parallel to that void would be much calmer.

We also know that the Ancient who actually agitated the warp and made it the hellhole we know established their empire specifically in the Milky Way.

Finally on Slaanesh point, he created a warpstorm at his birth because of how he was born. He kinda grew slowly like a bubble as the ancient Eldars depravations did and then exploded to take his current "form". From what I understand, the other gods grew in a more "stable" way and thus didn't create reality some extra orifices.

Well in Valedor it states that if Chaos do slaughter the Galaxy they have a period of incredible success and power before burning out.

As for the Eye of Terror it could be that Slaanesh seemed to develop far faster.

Plus, even if all humankind were to be wiped out, there would still be countless xeno species there to feed Chaos power.

Engrenages wrote:
Well from what we know, it is suggested the 3 other Gods were birthed by humans in our galaxy (even only by Terrans).

For the warp being universal, I think that as an "immaterial copy" of the materium, it is structured the same way, and since the void between galaxies is so HUGELY HUGE (note the emphasis), warp currents are that more or less parallel to that void would be much calmer.

We also know that the Ancient who actually agitated the warp and made it the hellhole we know established their empire specifically in the Milky Way.

Finally on Slaanesh point, he created a warpstorm at his birth because of how he was born. He kinda grew slowly like a bubble as the ancient Eldars depravations did and then exploded to take his current "form". From what I understand, the other gods grew in a more "stable" way and thus didn't create reality some extra orifices.

I have read some fluff on the birthing of Khorne on Terra but it seemed a bit, meh, for a chaos gods birth: the earthed rumbled and the God of blood erupted from a volcano creating a mountain range (not an actual quote), it just didn't seem very convincing for the birth of a chaos god. There is also the fact that most of the fluff is disputed over whether it is true or not.

My personal theory is that the Chaos Gods have always existed in the warp but due to the inexcessability of Galaxy (due to the expansive void as you have stated) the Gods have not always existed in our Galaxy. What we see as the birth of a God is really just a God gaining access to this part of the universe.

(I really don't understand how people can believe that Khorne was just born in the middle ages of Terra, it wasn't even one of the bloodiest/hate filled times! )


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 Lord_Inquisitor_Doge wrote:
Plus, even if all humankind were to be wiped out, there would still be countless xeno species there to feed Chaos power.

Eldar are the only other race that chaos can feed off of. Orks have their own Gods, Tau are very strange when it comes to psychic presences in the warp, Necrons have no connection to the warp and the Nids have no emotions to poer the Gods with.

Eldar are the only other race that chaos can feed off of. Orks have their own Gods, Tau are very strange when it comes to psychic presences in the warp, Necrons have no connection to the warp and the Nids have no emotions to poer the Gods with.

Well thare are a LOT more xenos species in the galaxy., known or unknown to us.

Exactly, there are lesser xeno species, not represented on the tabletop - Hrud, for example. And some minor xenos species can be corrupted - look at the Laer, or the Saruthi, both of which were heavily involved and twisted by Chaos.

Indeed. There are countless numbers of Xeno Empires existing in the spaces between the known Warp Routes, as-yet undiscovered by Mankind, as Mankind has not yet found a way to travel to these systems.

 mrhappyface wrote:
He stated that if chaos wipe out mankind in this galaxy thwn chaos will cease to be because the Gods will no longer have a source of worship for their power.

they don't want to wipe out Man, they just want Man to stop worshipping Emprah and worship Chaos instead

There is actual fluff about this. It was one of the main reasons why the emperor had to die.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cabal

 mrhappyface wrote:
I was having an argument with a friend of mine. He stated that if chaos wipe out mankind in this galaxy thwn chaos will cease to be because the Gods will no longer have a source of worship for their power. I agree that the source of thw Gods power is from the actions and worship of mortal beings but I see no reason why this Galaxy is the only source of such emotions, I proposed that the warp spanned the entire universe and that this Galaxy is only one of their many sources of power. However we could not agree as we could not find any reference to the warps presence in different parts to the universe.
(One argument he did use was that Slaanesh was born in this galaxy, I countered by asking why there are no other tears to the warp in this Galaxy from other births of the Gods: I suggested that there are other places in the universe where the other three Gods birthed into reality)

Could someone please shed some light on any fluff that definitively proves whether or not the ruinous powers span the entire universe.

Chaos is beyond physical notions of space and time and is not bound to the galaxy any more than it is bound to a planet. The warp spans not only the universe, but the multiverse.

The old (very old, definitely retconned by now) fluff stated that the Chaos Gods in 40k were the same as those in Fantasy, literally. The Chaos gods spanned multiple dimensions, realities, etc. In fact, the old fluff had it that artifacts from the 40k universe could become warp flotsam and end up in the Fantasy world. (i.e., a bolter could suddenly appear!) Fun times.

In fact, the old fluff had it that artifacts from the 40k universe could become warp flotsam and end up in the Fantasy world. (i.e., a bolter could suddenly appear!) Fun times.

In liber chaotica the fluff "author" in the fantasy world has visions of 40k vehicles such as chaos defilers and other weapon stuff.

The Chaos Gods as we know them are creations of the minds and emotions of the peoples of our galaxy.

The warp extends beyond our galaxy but the Chaos Gods only exist (in the form we know) where there is a corresponding level of sentient life to create them.

Its logical to think that whatever the life in another galaxy is that is emotions and beliefs would influence the warp in a different way and so the entities created in the warp (their "chaos gods") would be different - for all we know they may be the Gods of flowers and Fluffy bunnies because the creatures in those galaxies are nice and chilled out.

 mrhappyface wrote:
I was having an argument with a friend of mine. He stated that if chaos wipe out mankind in this galaxy thwn chaos will cease to be because the Gods will no longer have a source of worship for their power. I agree that the source of thw Gods power is from the actions and worship of mortal beings but I see no reason why this Galaxy is the only source of such emotions, I proposed that the warp spanned the entire universe and that this Galaxy is only one of their many sources of power. However we could not agree as we could not find any reference to the warps presence in different parts to the universe.
(One argument he did use was that Slaanesh was born in this galaxy, I countered by asking why there are no other tears to the warp in this Galaxy from other births of the Gods: I suggested that there are other places in the universe where the other three Gods birthed into reality)

Could someone please shed some light on any fluff that definitively proves whether or not the ruinous powers span the entire universe.

The Dark Powers aren't fueled by worship, but by emotions. The Emperor made the mistake of believing that enforced atheism would weaken their power. He was wrong.

As long as there are sentients with souls, emotions, and a fairly good "spiritual" presence in the Warp, Chaos and the Chaos Gods will continue to exist. And I suspect they could pop up anywhere in the universe, since the Warp isn't bound by the scientific laws and boundaries that would make trips to other parts impractical, if not downright impossible, in the material universe.

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 mrhappyface wrote:
He stated that if chaos wipe out mankind in this galaxy thwn chaos will cease to be because the Gods will no longer have a source of worship for their power.

they don't want to wipe out Man, they just want Man to stop worshipping Emprah and worship Chaos instead

This is one of the mistakes the GEoM made. Chaos is not fed by worship. It's like a mirror of the material universe. It represents the metaphysical side of reality. If all sentient creatures died out, there would still be Chaos. Maybe not as we know it, but it would still be there. If the universe became noblebright, there would be daemons of happiness. If everyone was dogmatically atheist, but still killed eachother, Khorne would still be happy/raging.