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I'm very disappointed that the new starter boxes aren't HIPS. This seems like it could have been a massive turning point for PP. The quality of their HIPS stuff so far has been great to the point that you can clip it off sprue and assemble it almost without glue - which would seem to fit with the idea of pre-coloured plastic to get you in to the game quicker. With PVC I'll expect a lot of trimming and prep.

But I'm looking forward to the new rules, and it sounds like they're trying to get the game in a more best/jack focussed direction which is always a good idea IMO.

Tried that last time, didn't really work...

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Tried that last time, didn't really work...

Yes and no. Compared to Mark I, Mark II was practically brimming with Warjacks!

Seriously though, I'm pretty optimistic that even with the few changes that have been announced so far that we'll be seeing a lot more jacks on the table.

No dice roll to check for repairs now. Repairs are automatic
and you roll for damage repaired.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Tried that last time, didn't really work...

Better to not buff something enough and buff it again later than buff it too much and have to nerf it later.

 Sqorgar wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Pre colored plastic sounds like a waste of resources. I can only assume having 1 single batch of gray plastic is cheaper than having X amount of colored for each faction. Considering people should be painting their models, all that colored plastic is for naught.

In general, Warmachine players don't tend to paint their models. They care more about the game than the spectacle.

Maybe anecdotally. There's more unpainted armies than say warhammer but I think the majority of people still paint their stuff. I definitely don't think there's enough people who don't for you to say 'In general they don't paint their models', by any means.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Tried that last time, didn't really work...

The rumoured auto-focus (and I presume something similar like auto-reave/discard fury) is at least a good start. It lets your focus scale with the number of Warjacks you have; rather than each being a drain on your resources to make them do anything, they can each be a little self-sufficient regardless of how many you have.

It will be interesting to see how Convergence do out of this. I can already activate and act with my entire battlegroup with a single focus allocation; with 8 more on the board in Sytherion's army I don't know what will be going on!!

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Pre colored plastic sounds like a waste of resources. I can only assume having 1 single batch of gray plastic is cheaper than having X amount of colored for each faction. Considering people should be painting their models, all that colored plastic is for naught.

In general, Warmachine players don't tend to paint their models. They care more about the game than the spectacle.

Maybe anecdotally. There's more unpainted armies than say warhammer but I think the majority of people still paint their stuff. I definitely don't think there's enough people who don't for you to say 'In general they don't paint their models', by any means.

Yeah. My fully painted and based Convergeance army would beg to differ with the notion that Warmachine players don't paint.

Maybe with the new edition we may get a Wold Warden resculpt where it's not doing the Carlton Dance.

Not rumored, confirmed "Power Up" rule. All jacks with an active cortex get a free point of focus if in their warcaster's control range.

They also made a point of saying how it's a control range, instead of radius. Perhaps they're decoupling the control range from the focus amount, so we can finally have more interesting warcasters that vary in range and focus (and maybe casting ability)?

Convergence gets a redone version of their unique rule. Instead of only one point of focus being passed down between vectors, every focus spent is passed between vectors.

A lot of the players in my local area paint. The main reason I didn't paint was I didn't like how Mk2 was turning out enough to paint.

 Vertrucio wrote:
Not rumored, confirmed "Power Up" rule. All jacks with an active cortex get a free point of focus if in their warcaster's control range.

They also made a point of saying how it's a control range, instead of radius. Perhaps they're decoupling the control range from the focus amount, so we can finally have more interesting warcasters that vary in range and focus (and maybe casting ability)?

Convergence gets a redone version of their unique rule. Instead of only one point of focus being passed down between vectors, every focus spent is passed between vectors.

A lot of the players in my local area paint. The main reason I didn't paint was I didn't like how Mk2 was turning out enough to paint.

Control range is already the correct terminology, not radius.

In MKI and MKII it was Control AREA, it is now Control RANGE. This is still double the warcaster or warlock's focus or fury stat and seems to just be a terminology thing.

 Sqorgar wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Pre colored plastic sounds like a waste of resources. I can only assume having 1 single batch of gray plastic is cheaper than having X amount of colored for each faction. Considering people should be painting their models, all that colored plastic is for naught.

In general, Warmachine players don't tend to paint their models. They care more about the game than the spectacle.

That is male cow excrement and you know it.

Numerous modelling threads all over the Internet disagree with you. Just because everyone plays with bare metal where you are does not mean it's the norm. I've seen far more unpainted and half assembled GW armies in my time than PP ones. Does that mean GW players don't paint their models? Does it feth.

In 20 years of gaming I've probably seen more fully painted PP armies than GW armies, FWIW.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Pre colored plastic sounds like a waste of resources. I can only assume having 1 single batch of gray plastic is cheaper than having X amount of colored for each faction. Considering people should be painting their models, all that colored plastic is for naught.

In general, Warmachine players don't tend to paint their models. They care more about the game than the spectacle.

That is male cow excrement and you know it.

Numerous modelling threads all over the Internet disagree with you. Just because everyone plays with bare metal where you are does not mean it's the norm. I've seen far more unpainted and half assembled GW armies in my time than PP ones. Does that mean GW players don't paint their models? Does it feth.

Whats the ratio of GW armies to PP armies out there?

WMH is unpainted models on empty tables, from what I've seen. Quite offputting.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Pre colored plastic sounds like a waste of resources. I can only assume having 1 single batch of gray plastic is cheaper than having X amount of colored for each faction. Considering people should be painting their models, all that colored plastic is for naught.

In general, Warmachine players don't tend to paint their models. They care more about the game than the spectacle.

That is male cow excrement and you know it.

Numerous modelling threads all over the Internet disagree with you. Just because everyone plays with bare metal where you are does not mean it's the norm. I've seen far more unpainted and half assembled GW armies in my time than PP ones. Does that mean GW players don't paint their models? Does it feth.

Whats the ratio of GW armies to PP armies out there?

WMH is unpainted models on empty tables, from what I've seen. Quite offputting.

Youre the one claiming something without showing proof.

Warhammer and warmachine are in no way different when it comes to painting in my experience.

Painting is not the topic of this thread - the upcoming MK3 ruleset is. Let's return to the topic, please

RiTides wrote: Painting is not the topic of this thread - the upcoming MK3 ruleset is. Let's return to the topic, please

With all due respect, this is about the upcoming MK3 product, which now uses colored plastics unique to each faction. Personally - and speaking only for myself - this is perhaps the feature of MK3 that I'm looking forward to the most. I can not understate how much of a game changer it is. For the group I play with, none of which paint their models and leave most of them silver/gray with the occasional primed black unit, it makes it impossible to visually distinguish the models from one another. When watching two other players play against each other (almost all my models are painted), I can't even tell which models belong to which team. It's visual chaos. It's freaking miniature white noise.

And while my companions don't have a problem with this (sometimes, they just use bases with no models at all), it removes the main reason why I play miniature games. In certain combinations, miniatures lose all visual definition. A model that is primed completely black is just a silhouette. Silver models have less distinct features because the reflecting light illuminates the crevices a bit more. Plastic models, especially the dark grey ones GW uses, do better at contrasts, making the details of the model more apparent. For players who don't want to paint, the colored plastics will drastically improve the visual quality of the game and reduce the difficulty of visually parsing the playing field, and in some cases, may actually be preferable to poor paint jobs. It's a win for all players who either don't paint, don't paint enough, or play with people who don't paint.

Arguing about whether WMH players paint enough or whether GW fans paint more is immaterial though. Regardless of the frequency of painting, if you ever play another player who doesn't paint, you'll still benefit from this change. And honestly, I wouldn't complain if GW made a similar change. My one concern is that it will making painting even more optional than it already is and will ultimately result in fewer painted models overall.

Grimtuff wrote:

Sqorgar wrote:In general, Warmachine players don't tend to paint their models. They care more about the game than the spectacle.

That is male cow excrement and you know it.

No, that was a joke. It was a riff on Killionaire's comment that "it's a decidedly different type of game than the 'I want a spectacle rather than a challenge' game that's more along the likes of the GW products"

Can someone confirm that there will be no fluff in mk3 books? Is it literally no fluff or just no stories [but units fluff and general world/faction fluff stays]?

Did they state at all that the models are coloured at all? To me it looks like a simple Photoshop to tie the minis to a faction.

 tommse wrote:
Did they state at all that the models are coloured at all? To me it looks like a simple Photoshop to tie the minis to a faction.

That is a possibility. Feels like it wouldn't be worth the effort to color them though, as WMH fans already know what to expect and adding colors that aren't there would be intentionally misleading. But it is possible.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 tommse wrote:
Did they state at all that the models are coloured at all? To me it looks like a simple Photoshop to tie the minis to a faction.

That is a possibility. Feels like it wouldn't be worth the effort to color them though, as WMH fans already know what to expect and adding colors that aren't there would be intentionally misleading. But it is possible.

People have mentioned it quite a bit on the official forum me not been corrected by PP staff who have been answering questions so I assume it is actually coloured.

A little bit confused about all the talk of pvc and hips. Are the new starter boxes going to be made of the same material as the current boxes - just some colour mixed in to the regular grey plastic?

AdamBridger wrote:
A little bit confused about all the talk of pvc and hips. Are the new starter boxes going to be made of the same material as the current boxes - just some colour mixed in to the regular grey plastic?

Unless I'm mistaken, currently, most models were/are(?) produced in Restic - a resin/plastic mix. Seems like the new box sets coming out will be PVC that's colored.

 Jin wrote:

AdamBridger wrote:
A little bit confused about all the talk of pvc and hips. Are the new starter boxes going to be made of the same material as the current boxes - just some colour mixed in to the regular grey plastic?

Unless I'm mistaken, currently, most models were/are(?) produced in Restic - a resin/plastic mix. Seems like the new box sets coming out will be PVC that's colored.

"Restic" is just PVC. Like board game plastic but a little stiffer.

Just to clarify - feel free to talk about the new starter boxes, of course . But any discussion of whether people who play one game system or another paint their miniatures more / less / differently / etc belongs in a Dakka Discussions thread.

Thanks all!

AdamBridger wrote:
A little bit confused about all the talk of pvc and hips. Are the new starter boxes going to be made of the same material as the current boxes - just some colour mixed in to the regular grey plastic?

It certainly looks that way. Privateer has confirmed it is the same plastic and the product shots show them as being colored.

 Jin wrote:

AdamBridger wrote:
A little bit confused about all the talk of pvc and hips. Are the new starter boxes going to be made of the same material as the current boxes - just some colour mixed in to the regular grey plastic?

Unless I'm mistaken, currently, most models were/are(?) produced in Restic - a resin/plastic mix. Seems like the new box sets coming out will be PVC that's colored.

Restic isn't a real material, it's just what people call it. And it's nothing to do with resin, it's just PVC plastic. These new starter boxes are PVC like the last ones were, it's just coloured now.

 MattofWar wrote:

AdamBridger wrote:
A little bit confused about all the talk of pvc and hips. Are the new starter boxes going to be made of the same material as the current boxes - just some colour mixed in to the regular grey plastic?

It certainly looks that way. Privateer has confirmed it is the same plastic and the product shots show them as being colored.

Yeah it appears to be. Ed Bourelle is currently in Hong Kong (I think) checking in on their manufacturing process. He said it's the same plastic as normal, but stiffer, and the photos show the cryx caster being a greenish color. He also confirms that they are 'shooting the new battlegroups in faction colors'.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Jin wrote:

AdamBridger wrote:
A little bit confused about all the talk of pvc and hips. Are the new starter boxes going to be made of the same material as the current boxes - just some colour mixed in to the regular grey plastic?

Unless I'm mistaken, currently, most models were/are(?) produced in Restic - a resin/plastic mix. Seems like the new box sets coming out will be PVC that's colored.

Restic isn't a real material, it's just what people call it. And it's nothing to do with resin, it's just PVC plastic. These new starter boxes are PVC like the last ones were, it's just coloured now.

Hrm. TIL. I guess I've been reading things wrong all this time. Still hate the stuff.