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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/13 22:56:30
Subject: Armed gang member killed by police, protests ensue
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Yes. Because if so, there wouldnt ever be good people in power like, ever.
Not even that, but the idea of "Power" is such a nebelous concept that you have to explain what it is and how power corrupts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/13 22:58:29
Subject: Armed gang member killed by police, protests ensue
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Given some of the recent revelations about CPD it will be interesting to see what version of events the evidence supports.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/13 23:00:16
Subject: Armed gang member killed by police, protests ensue
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DarkTraveler777 wrote:
What worries me is when that wariness expressed by a member of the public is misinterpreted as "disrespect" by a police officer and things escalate as a result.
I distrust police as much as anyone else I meet on the street. I know how power corrupts, but I also know how a constant stream of gak from one group or another can influence how a person begins to see all members of a group regardless of an individual's actions. So I really am sympathetic to the narrow line a police officer has to walk in order to deal "fairly" with the public.
But, as your post indicates, I am not entirely sure where the "healing" can begin between the public and the police. The terminology you use to describe certain groups and the media aren't what I'd consider positive and while I won't criticize you for those terminology choices (as I am sure they are a result of your lived experiences with those groups) from an outside perspective (my own) it reads like an obstacle in place of seeing the other side's grievances.
As a member of the public I do legitimately worry about a bull-headed cop who is having a bad day, or just not liking the way I look, upending my life. Which is an odd concern because I am a white male in my 30's with no criminal history. Up until about two years ago I didn't give police much consideration aside from speed traps or donut jokes. But after seeing so much abuse and the "digging in" by a lot of police, especially the police unions, in response to those rogue elements or misdeeds committed by other police, it makes me re-evaluate law enforcement personnel.
If I were a black male I honestly think I'd be gaking it anytime a police officer crossed my path. Perhaps that is me buying into a certain narrative espoused by the media, but there is so much smoke out there now that it is hard not to think the entire country is on fire.
I guess for every "pig" there is a "thug" but how does either side begin to see one another as people? It feels rather melodramatic and "hippie-ish" to even type that, but I think that is the root of this problem. Neither side sees the humanity in the other side. Both sides are certain that the other side has the worst intentions for them. The trust is gone. Maybe it hasn't ever been there which to me is even more disturbing because if that is the case how do we move forward?
You do realize that, especially in urban areas, there are minority officers? The media narrative is exactly that- not a real thing. There is no epidemic of officers gunning down citizens of any race or color. Sure there are bad officers and departments with consistent problems, but thinking this country is "on fire" when even justified shootings account for a miniscule fraction of American deaths is exactly why the BLM crap is such a problem. It is blowing a non issue way out of proportion and not focusing on the real problems. Largely for political ends.
Let's say that this shoot is bad. Let's take it a step further and say it's part of Chicago PD's continuing issues. You would think that the demand, then, would be for greater accountability from the Chief of Police, Mayor, City Council, etc. But no, the focus is just that a black "kid" got shot. It becomes howls of racism and a lot of tail chasing is done with no real solutions. Because it's a distraction from the real problems in leadership and systemic power structures. Which serves the political leadership just fine- the party machine rolls on. They don't have to address why despite being "for the poor,for minorities, etc." such groups continue to suffer under the continuing policies and leadership in cities like Chicago.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/13 23:09:51
Subject: Armed gang member killed by police, protests ensue
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I always approach these threads in the same way:
IF the information given by the police is accurate, and he indeed pointed a gun at them and they shot him down, they were in the right. While I'd feel a high-five is a bit distasteful, there is that whole "holy crap, we survived" thing that can be shared. Could have easily been followed by "gak, we really shouldn't have done a high-five there". Don't know, I wasn't (and I doubt any of you were) there. So we have their side, and we have the side of the witnesses. We don't have the kid's side, because, well, he's dead.
If the kid had no gun though, and they just shot him down because he ran, they should lose their jobs. Gunning him down, THEN high-fiving after killing a fleeing suspect who was unarmed? That isn't forgivable. Again, all depends on when the evidence is in the light.
And were price not an issue, I'd expect all decent cops would welcome body cams-they shouldn't HAVE to prove their innocence, but hey; dirty cops DO exist. And ruin everything for the good ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/13 23:19:57
Subject: Armed gang member killed by police, protests ensue
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DarkTraveler777 wrote: oldravenman3025 wrote:Like with any aspect of daily life, a certain wariness is necessary to ensure your safety, even when dealing with the authorities. The only person who can protect your rights is you. And the law enforcement field, like any other, has a few bad apples that need to be dealt with. But the level of pure hatred and flak that law enforcement in general gets from some quarters nowadays is just plain ridiculous. Even when the officer in a given incident is proven to be the one in the right, people with an ax to grind follow the lead of professional victimhood groups, and cause chaos and generate bad will. That ill will isn't just between police and the public, but also between various "identity" groups among the citizenry, which is what these professional baiters and victimhood movements want.
What worries me is when that wariness expressed by a member of the public is misinterpreted as "disrespect" by a police officer and things escalate as a result.
I distrust police as much as anyone else I meet on the street. I know how power corrupts, but I also know how a constant stream of gak from one group or another can influence how a person begins to see all members of a group regardless of an individual's actions. So I really am sympathetic to the narrow line a police officer has to walk in order to deal "fairly" with the public.
But, as your post indicates, I am not entirely sure where the "healing" can begin between the public and the police. The terminology you use to describe certain groups and the media aren't what I'd consider positive and while I won't criticize you for those terminology choices (as I am sure they are a result of your lived experiences with those groups) from an outside perspective (my own) it reads like an obstacle in place of seeing the other side's grievances.
As a member of the public I do legitimately worry about a bull-headed cop who is having a bad day, or just not liking the way I look, upending my life. Which is an odd concern because I am a white male in my 30's with no criminal history. Up until about two years ago I didn't give police much consideration aside from speed traps or donut jokes. But after seeing so much abuse and the "digging in" by a lot of police, especially the police unions, in response to those rogue elements or misdeeds committed by other police, it makes me re-evaluate law enforcement personnel.
If I were a black male I honestly think I'd be gaking it anytime a police officer crossed my path. Perhaps that is me buying into a certain narrative espoused by the media, but there is so much smoke out there now that it is hard not to think the entire country is on fire.
I guess for every "pig" there is a "thug" but how does either side begin to see one another as people? It feels rather melodramatic and "hippie-ish" to even type that, but I think that is the root of this problem. Neither side sees the humanity in the other side. Both sides are certain that the other side has the worst intentions for them. The trust is gone. Maybe it hasn't ever been there which to me is even more disturbing because if that is the case how do we move forward?
An excellent post. I enjoyed reading it.
I have to say that you make excellent points. The questions you posed are are very good ones and worth answering. I just don't know what the answers are, unfortunately. In my career, as I do now, I tended to see beyond color or ethnicity (despite my use of common, but somewhat labeling, terminology). But some people want to make it hard to do so. And not just among protesters or police, but politicians as well. Politicians, regardless of their ideological bent, are the real enemy. They're the ones who benefit from such upheaval the most.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/13 23:31:29
Subject: Armed gang member killed by police, protests ensue
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Alot of people say not seeing color is itself racist because it robs them of their identity and their unique experiances and related to racism.
My response is always "I dont see color, just donkey-caves"
Is all reality, I can see how not seeing color can itself be seen as racist if you look at it through that way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/13 23:42:28
Subject: Armed gang member killed by police, protests ensue
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hotsauceman1 wrote:Yes. Because if so, there wouldnt ever be good people in power like, ever.
Not even that, but the idea of "Power" is such a nebelous concept that you have to explain what it is and how power corrupts.
Power doesn't have to corrupt, but it can corrupt. And corruption doesn't have to come from any bad origin, there are plenty of examples of people in power who were corrupted because they wanted to do good things.
The idea that power corrupts is pretty accepted, and there are plenty of studies that seem to suggest that the theory is valid. And it's not a new theory either. The idea that power corrupts, and that you have to hold those in power accountable, is one of the reason we have checks and balances in our Constitution as well as having civilian oversight over our military.
On more local levels it is the driving force behind Freedom of Information laws, civilian oversight boards at police departments, transparency laws for campaign finances, open record laws requiring posted agendas and open access to meetings of public bodies, etc.
Edit: It almost sounds like you changed your major there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/13 23:43:09
Subject: Armed gang member killed by police, protests ensue
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jmurph wrote:There is no epidemic of officers gunning down citizens of any race or color.
Actually, in Chicago... there is EXACTLY that. Violence by police in the form of shooting, tazers of physical results are disproportionately higher against African Americans than anyone else in the city. Even when the statistics show they don't commit crimes at a higher rate than other demographics. So why is 32% of the city's population 74% of the shootings and 76% of the tazers by police?
For perspective, citywide, Chicago is almost evenly split by race among whites(31.7%), blacks (32.9%) and Hispanics (28.9%)
Police Officers Shoot African-Americans At Alarming Rates: Of the 404 shootings between 2008-2015
• 74% or 299 African Americans were hit or killed by police officers, as compared with
• 14% or 55 Hispanics;
• 3% or 33 Whites; and
• 0.25% Asians.
Police Officers Disproportionately Use Tasers Against African-Americans: Of the 1,886 taser discharges by CPD between 2012 and 2015, African-Americans were the target of those discharges at a very high rate:
• 76% or 1,435 African-Americans were shot with tasers;
• 13% or 254 Hispanics;
• 8% or 144 Whites; and
• 0.21% or 4 Asians.
Traffic Stops: In 2013,
• 46% of 100,676 traffic stops involved African-Americans;
• 22% involved Hispanics;
• 27% involved whites. ls
Moreover, black and Hispanic drivers were searched far more often even though CPD's own data show that contraband is found more often on white drivers.
other Street Stops: In the summer of 2014, CPD stopped more than
250,000 people-93.6 for every 10,000 City residents—in encounters
not leading to arrests.16 (This figure dwarfs the number of stops by
New York City police, which from 2011-2014, stopped anywhere
between 1.6 and 22.9 people per 10,000.) Of those 250,000 people
stopped by CPD in the summer of 2014,
• 72% were African American;
• 17% were Hispanic;
• 9% were white; and
• 1% were Asian.
There is a documented, explicit epidemic in Chicago that even the Mayor, Head of CPD and the DOJ all acknowledge... Why do you continue to discount it as a false narrative and should be ignored when you literally don't know what you are talking about when it comes to the Chicago situation?
The reasons documented why there are issues in CPD, as found by the statistics and independent investigations:
*We arrived at this point in part because of racism.
*We arrived at this point because of a mentality in CPD that the ends justify the means.
*We arrived at this point because of a failure to make accountability a core value and imperative within CPD.
*We arrived at this point because of a significant underinvestment in human capital.
All 4 of those are disturbing and have extensive evidence to support those findings. So tell me again how this is all 'not a real thing?'
Funny how you think one justified shoot makes all of this 'not real' but when a cop murders someone and the mass coverup falls apart and shows dozens of people involved it is an isolated incident?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/13 23:43:16
Subject: Armed gang member killed by police, protests ensue
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Frazzled wrote: Vaktathi wrote:Gang membership isnt always as voluntary as its made out to be. Want to be able to walk home without getting jumped? Gonna need some allies. Parents were/still are gang members? Chances are you're gonna get beat in. Everone on your block is in the gang? You're probably going to get beat in. For some people, their life doesnt give them any other realistic opportunity.
Dunno what the case was with the kid in this incident, but gangs arent like frats were you go out of the way to make a voluntary choice to join.
While I agree with you, point a weapon at an officer-well anyone actually- and they have the right to self defense.
Oh absolutely I just wanted to point out that gang membership isn't as much of a choice as it's sometimes made out to be is all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/14 00:44:41
Subject: Armed gang member killed by police, protests ensue
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nkelsch wrote: jmurph wrote:There is no epidemic of officers gunning down citizens of any race or color.
Actually, in Chicago... there is EXACTLY that. Violence by police in the form of shooting, tazers of physical results are disproportionately higher against African Americans than anyone else in the city. Even when the statistics show they don't commit crimes at a higher rate than other demographics. So why is 32% of the city's population 74% of the shootings and 76% of the tazers by police?
For perspective, citywide, Chicago is almost evenly split by race among whites(31.7%), blacks (32.9%) and Hispanics (28.9%)
Police Officers Shoot African-Americans At Alarming Rates: Of the 404 shootings between 2008-2015
• 74% or 299 African Americans were hit or killed by police officers, as compared with
• 14% or 55 Hispanics;
• 3% or 33 Whites; and
• 0.25% Asians.
Police Officers Disproportionately Use Tasers Against African-Americans: Of the 1,886 taser discharges by CPD between 2012 and 2015, African-Americans were the target of those discharges at a very high rate:
• 76% or 1,435 African-Americans were shot with tasers;
• 13% or 254 Hispanics;
• 8% or 144 Whites; and
• 0.21% or 4 Asians.
Traffic Stops: In 2013,
• 46% of 100,676 traffic stops involved African-Americans;
• 22% involved Hispanics;
• 27% involved whites. ls
Moreover, black and Hispanic drivers were searched far more often even though CPD's own data show that contraband is found more often on white drivers.
other Street Stops: In the summer of 2014, CPD stopped more than
250,000 people-93.6 for every 10,000 City residents—in encounters
not leading to arrests.16 (This figure dwarfs the number of stops by
New York City police, which from 2011-2014, stopped anywhere
between 1.6 and 22.9 people per 10,000.) Of those 250,000 people
stopped by CPD in the summer of 2014,
• 72% were African American;
• 17% were Hispanic;
• 9% were white; and
• 1% were Asian.
There is a documented, explicit epidemic in Chicago that even the Mayor, Head of CPD and the DOJ all acknowledge... Why do you continue to discount it as a false narrative and should be ignored when you literally don't know what you are talking about when it comes to the Chicago situation?
The reasons documented why there are issues in CPD, as found by the statistics and independent investigations:
*We arrived at this point in part because of racism.
*We arrived at this point because of a mentality in CPD that the ends justify the means.
*We arrived at this point because of a failure to make accountability a core value and imperative within CPD.
*We arrived at this point because of a significant underinvestment in human capital.
All 4 of those are disturbing and have extensive evidence to support those findings. So tell me again how this is all 'not a real thing?'
Funny how you think one justified shoot makes all of this 'not real' but when a cop murders someone and the mass coverup falls apart and shows dozens of people involved it is an isolated incident?
So the demographic most responsible, and conversely most effected by homicide in Chicago is the recipient of more aggressive policing!?
If the black community is overpoliced like that but still manages to be 75% of the victims of homicides and 70% of the homicide offenders*, despite near racial parity I'd hate to see the death toll if they were under policed.
I admire their tenacity and can do attitude to put up impressive numbers like that despite the extra attention from police! Go for a record year guys!
* source: https://portal.chicagopolice.org/portal/page/portal/ClearPath/News/Statistical%20Reports/Murder%20Reports/MA11.pdf
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/14 01:08:18
Subject: Armed gang member killed by police, protests ensue
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nkelsch wrote: jmurph wrote:There is no epidemic of officers gunning down citizens of any race or color.
Actually, in Chicago... there is EXACTLY that. Violence by police in the form of shooting, tazers of physical results are disproportionately higher against African Americans than anyone else in the city. Even when the statistics show they don't commit crimes at a higher rate than other demographics. So why is 32% of the city's population 74% of the shootings and 76% of the tazers by police?
What are you talking about? The black population makes up 32% of the city, yet 71% of the murders are committed by black people. So where are you getting this "don't commit crimes at a higher rate than other demographics"?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/14 01:10:38
Subject: Re:Armed gang member killed by police, protests ensue
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I meant to call attention to that statement as well. Source it up dude!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/14 01:11:46
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djones520 wrote:nkelsch wrote: jmurph wrote:There is no epidemic of officers gunning down citizens of any race or color.
Actually, in Chicago... there is EXACTLY that. Violence by police in the form of shooting, tazers of physical results are disproportionately higher against African Americans than anyone else in the city. Even when the statistics show they don't commit crimes at a higher rate than other demographics. So why is 32% of the city's population 74% of the shootings and 76% of the tazers by police?
What are you talking about? The black population makes up 32% of the city, yet 71% of the murders are committed by black people. So where are you getting this "don't commit crimes at a higher rate than other demographics"?
Unless you want to argue that police departments should be able to execute murderers for their crimes, then the fact that 71% really has no significance on anything. The crime you are being arrested for doesn't impact the actual arrest and officers cannot shoot a murderer anymore than they can shoot a guy being arrested for public intoxication.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/14 01:34:07
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d-usa wrote:
Unless you want to argue that police departments should be able to execute murderers for their crimes, then the fact that 71% really has no significance on anything. The crime you are being arrested for doesn't impact the actual arrest and officers cannot shoot a murderer anymore than they can shoot a guy being arrested for public intoxication.
Murders make up less than 1% of the crime in the city, trying to extrapolate murder stats to crime as a whole and then justify disproportionate policing based upon murder rates is disingenuous, and doesn't justify them being the victims of police violence at higher rates.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/14 01:34:09
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Jihadin wrote: Dreadwinter wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:Rosebuddy wrote: Iron_Captain wrote:
And yet, it was he himself, not the police, not the bad neighourhood, not the gang who pointed a gun at the police (Assuming that story is true, of course. Given previous stories about the US police, I am not so certain) His socio-economic situation did not put a gun in his pants, he did that himself. Of course you can argue that his socio-economic situation led to him making the decision, but it was still he himself who made the decision. He could have chosen otherwise. You can never deflect individual responsibility for your actions.
A 16-year-old failed by society to the point that he ended up in a gang is not a sterling example of the supremacy of individual choice. Sitting here now and saying that he could simply have chosen himself a better lot in life is silly. Yeah, sure, he coulda walked on the moon and memorised Mozart. That sort of thing is mere speculation in the face of the material circumstances of his life.
He made the choice to go into a gang
He made he choice to carry a gun
He made the choice to run from the cops(Bad idea, makes you look guilty)
He made the decision to point the gun at the cop.
He could have gone onto school. He could have gone into a trade. He could have made amateur porn, but nope, he made his choice.
As my grandpa said "There comes a time in life you have to stop blaming people for your lot in life, cause, when you meet god in heaven, its just gonna be you and him, no one else"
But, I thought the whole idea was it was supposed to be you, god, and jesus was there to plead your case. I could be wrong though......
Does not God forgive though? If JC say otherwise and God forgives you.....Since to me Christiansanity seem JC is the focal point.,.....I can see God forgiven this guy and calling him Idiot.
From my understanding of how it works, and I say this as a heathen so I am probably wrong, JC is technically God or at least JC is a part of God. Which makes you wonder, why is the guy running the show arguing with himself?
Makes you really question things.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/14 01:41:42
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nkelsch wrote: d-usa wrote:
Unless you want to argue that police departments should be able to execute murderers for their crimes, then the fact that 71% really has no significance on anything. The crime you are being arrested for doesn't impact the actual arrest and officers cannot shoot a murderer anymore than they can shoot a guy being arrested for public intoxication.
Murders make up less than 1% of the crime in the city, trying to extrapolate murder stats to crime as a whole and then justify disproportionate policing based upon murder rates is disingenuous, and doesn't justify them being the victims of police violence at higher rates.
Murder is the penultimate crime, dude.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/14 01:43:10
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So is JC Jesus Christ's gang name/rap name abbreviation then?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/14 02:35:49
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Dreadwinter wrote: Jihadin wrote: Dreadwinter wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:Rosebuddy wrote: Iron_Captain wrote:
And yet, it was he himself, not the police, not the bad neighourhood, not the gang who pointed a gun at the police (Assuming that story is true, of course. Given previous stories about the US police, I am not so certain) His socio-economic situation did not put a gun in his pants, he did that himself. Of course you can argue that his socio-economic situation led to him making the decision, but it was still he himself who made the decision. He could have chosen otherwise. You can never deflect individual responsibility for your actions.
A 16-year-old failed by society to the point that he ended up in a gang is not a sterling example of the supremacy of individual choice. Sitting here now and saying that he could simply have chosen himself a better lot in life is silly. Yeah, sure, he coulda walked on the moon and memorised Mozart. That sort of thing is mere speculation in the face of the material circumstances of his life.
He made the choice to go into a gang
He made he choice to carry a gun
He made the choice to run from the cops(Bad idea, makes you look guilty)
He made the decision to point the gun at the cop.
He could have gone onto school. He could have gone into a trade. He could have made amateur porn, but nope, he made his choice.
As my grandpa said "There comes a time in life you have to stop blaming people for your lot in life, cause, when you meet god in heaven, its just gonna be you and him, no one else"
But, I thought the whole idea was it was supposed to be you, god, and jesus was there to plead your case. I could be wrong though......
Does not God forgive though? If JC say otherwise and God forgives you.....Since to me Christiansanity seem JC is the focal point.,.....I can see God forgiven this guy and calling him Idiot.
From my understanding of how it works, and I say this as a heathen so I am probably wrong, JC is technically God or at least JC is a part of God. Which makes you wonder, why is the guy running the show arguing with himself?
Makes you really question things.
Here, this triangle should explain it:
God consists of three aspects: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The three aspects are distinct (i.e. they are not each other), but they are also one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/14 02:43:08
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Acceptance of Jesus as your saviour washes you of sin so you appear without sin in God's eyes and are therefore granted entrance to Heaven.
At least that's my understanding.
Anyway it's quite OT...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/14 02:47:58
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JC is his frat name.
Jeezy Creezy is his gang name.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/14 03:22:29
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Good read, was just coming to make that same point. Back to the...sigh...topic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/14 03:24:31
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TIL that protesting police violence while being black is like being in what was the nation's largest domestic terrorist organization, responsible for killing thousands of people.
Kind of an execrable comparison.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/14 11:08:45
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Does not God forgive though? If JC say otherwise and God forgives you.....Since to me Christiansanity seem JC is the focal point.,.....I can see God forgiven this guy and calling him Idiot.
Not Old Testament Dog. He don't  around. Automatically Appended Next Post: hotsauceman1 wrote:Yes. Because if so, there wouldnt ever be good people in power like, ever.
Not even that, but the idea of "Power" is such a nebelous concept that you have to explain what it is and how power corrupts.
Your statement proves the theory. There are like, no good people in power like ever.
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Frazzled wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:Yes. Because if so, there wouldnt ever be good people in power like, ever.
Not even that, but the idea of "Power" is such a nebelous concept that you have to explain what it is and how power corrupts.
Your statement proves the theory. There are like, no good people in power like ever.
Except for Vladimir Vladimirovich of course. He is the best person in the world.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/14 13:56:16
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d-usa wrote: djones520 wrote:nkelsch wrote: jmurph wrote:There is no epidemic of officers gunning down citizens of any race or color.
Actually, in Chicago... there is EXACTLY that. Violence by police in the form of shooting, tazers of physical results are disproportionately higher against African Americans than anyone else in the city. Even when the statistics show they don't commit crimes at a higher rate than other demographics. So why is 32% of the city's population 74% of the shootings and 76% of the tazers by police?
What are you talking about? The black population makes up 32% of the city, yet 71% of the murders are committed by black people. So where are you getting this "don't commit crimes at a higher rate than other demographics"?
Unless you want to argue that police departments should be able to execute murderers for their crimes, then the fact that 71% really has no significance on anything. The crime you are being arrested for doesn't impact the actual arrest and officers cannot shoot a murderer anymore than they can shoot a guy being arrested for public intoxication.
Umm, sort of. Generally, murders and other violent crimes are going to have a higher risk and are more likely to provoke a fatal response. So in your example, it is much more likely that an officer would be justified in shooting a murderer say during the commission of the offense than a PI during the commission of the offense. Likewise, most jurisdictions recognize some form of fleeing felon doctrine, which would not apply to the PI.
As to Chicago, perhaps I should have clarified- there is no national epidemic. Individual departments have issue and those certainly need to be addressed. At the local level. As I pointed out, Chicago has been dominated by the same political party for decades, the same party that nominally champions the poor, minorities, etc. yet remains mired in these issues. Groups like BLM, rather than attacking the institutional problems there and those who have the power to fix it (the mayor, city council, etc.) just play up the "black victim" issue without any real drive to help the actual communities.
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I have to say a individual with a weapon (fire arm) decides aim at you. Race/ethnic/male/female/age of the individual is no longer a issue
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/14 16:30:49
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Frazzled wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:Yes. Because if so, there wouldnt ever be good people in power like, ever.
Not even that, but the idea of "Power" is such a nebelous concept that you have to explain what it is and how power corrupts.
Your statement proves the theory. There are like, no good people in power like ever.
Define "Good" and define how power corrupts?
Im still waiting for how power corrupt and what power is.
Can any power corrupt? Does that mean my supervisor and professor are corrupt because they hold power over me?
Or does it have to be a specific type of power? power over the masses? So how can there be good officers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/14 16:46:22
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jmurph wrote:As I pointed out, Chicago has been dominated by the same political party for decades, the same party that nominally champions the poor, minorities, etc. yet remains mired in these issues. Groups like BLM, rather than attacking the institutional problems there and those who have the power to fix it (the mayor, city council, etc.) just play up the "black victim" issue without any real drive to help the actual communities.
Also interesting to me is how the media remains focuses laser-like on Chicago, a city that routinely doesn't crack the top 10 violent cities per capita. Chicago has a murder rate of 15 per capita, St. Louis has 60, Detroit has 46, and so on.
You really never see think pieces asking where the white leadership is in Indianapolis, or Oakland, or Stockton, or Milwaukee, you ever notice? Has there ever been a single thread on Dakka about the murder rate in New Orleans, or Memphis?
Obviously, Chicago has both a gang and violence problem - no two ways about it. However, the constant, disproportionate focus on Chicago's violence really does have a racial / political tinge of concern trolling about it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/14 17:07:40
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Frazzled wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:Yes. Because if so, there wouldnt ever be good people in power like, ever. Not even that, but the idea of "Power" is such a nebelous concept that you have to explain what it is and how power corrupts. Your statement proves the theory. There are like, no good people in power like ever.
Define "Good" and define how power corrupts? Im still waiting for how power corrupt and what power is. Can any power corrupt? Does that mean my supervisor and professor are corrupt because they hold power over me? Or does it have to be a specific type of power? power over the masses? So how can there be good officers. You define "Good" since you brought it up. Power is the ability to get others to do what you want. The interesting question you should ask is, does power corrupt, or does power draw corrupt people? Also interesting to me is how the media remains focuses laser-like on Chicago, a city that routinely doesn't crack the top 10 violent cities per capita. Chicago has a murder rate of 15 per capita, St. Louis has 60, Detroit has 46, and so on.
1. President is from there. 2. harsh antifirearms laws. Thats the only things I can think of.
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Ouze wrote: jmurph wrote:As I pointed out, Chicago has been dominated by the same political party for decades, the same party that nominally champions the poor, minorities, etc. yet remains mired in these issues. Groups like BLM, rather than attacking the institutional problems there and those who have the power to fix it (the mayor, city council, etc.) just play up the "black victim" issue without any real drive to help the actual communities. Also interesting to me is how the media remains focuses laser-like on Chicago, a city that routinely doesn't crack the top 10 violent cities per capita. Chicago has a murder rate of 15 per capita, St. Louis has 60, Detroit has 46, and so on. You really never see think pieces asking where the white leadership is in Indianapolis, or Oakland, or Stockton, or Milwaukee, you ever notice? Has there ever been a single thread on Dakka about the murder rate in New Orleans, or Memphis? Obviously, Chicago has both a gang and violence problem - no two ways about it. However, the constant, disproportionate focus on Chicago's violence really does have a racial / political tinge of concern trolling about it. Crime and Chicago have sold a bunch of newspapers since the days of Capone, Dillinger, and Baby Face Nelson. I guess? Having lived in Louisiana, I knew all about how bad New Orleans is/was. Weird how that city's violence isn't front and center like Chicago seems to be. Also, Cops shoot a lot of people here. A lot.
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