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NO, the only police force to have its own serial killer.

 Ouze wrote:
Also interesting to me is how the media remains focuses laser-like on Chicago, a city that routinely doesn't crack the top 10 violent cities per capita. Chicago has a murder rate of 15 per capita, St. Louis has 60, Detroit has 46, and so on.

You really never see think pieces asking where the white leadership is in Indianapolis, or Oakland, or Stockton, or Milwaukee, you ever notice? Has there ever been a single thread on Dakka about the murder rate in New Orleans, or Memphis?

Obviously, Chicago has both a gang and violence problem - no two ways about it. However, the constant, disproportionate focus on Chicago's violence really does have a racial / political tinge of concern trolling about it.

Would the POTUS drawing attention to it explain some of the attention?

 kronk wrote:
Also, Cops shoot a lot of people here. A lot.

Also sort of weird, in this wave of media attention to police misadventures, is again how certain cities with (well earned) poor policing reputations - the NYPD, Chicago - always are bandied about. Less so, stories about Albuquerque, which might have the most corrupt police force in the nation, at least in terms of police brutality.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Yes. Because if so, there wouldnt ever be good people in power like, ever.
Not even that, but the idea of "Power" is such a nebelous concept that you have to explain what it is and how power corrupts.

Your statement proves the theory. There are like, no good people in power like ever.

Define "Good" and define how power corrupts?
Im still waiting for how power corrupt and what power is.
Can any power corrupt? Does that mean my supervisor and professor are corrupt because they hold power over me?
Or does it have to be a specific type of power? power over the masses? So how can there be good officers.

The power of chili night WILL corrupt the bathroom!

 Ouze wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Also, Cops shoot a lot of people here. A lot.

Also sort of weird, in this wave of media attention to police misadventures, is again how certain cities with (well earned) poor policing reputations - the NYPD, Chicago - always are bandied about. Less so, stories about Albuquerque, which might have the most corrupt police force in the nation, at least in terms of police brutality.

The story of James Matthew Boyd made it into Rolling Stone, which made an interesting point about hiring practices and how politically driven lax standard contributed to a crop of bad apples. I also couldn't help but notice that despite the local protests, other media outlets largely ignored it. Which is interesting considering that it looks like most of the killings in NM were whites and Hispanics. Doesn't fit the BLM narrative and underscores that such movements are not interested in addressing actual problems. Just like they are not interested in the fact that Native Americans are the most likely group to be killed by police. Or that the biggest correlating factor to being shot by police is not race, but income. Or that Americans are killed by law enforcement at a rate many times that of other Western nations and more whites are killed annually than any other racial group.

Probably because then you get into issues like the US's gun related crime also being of synch with the rest of the world, wealth divisions , etc. Nope, easier to try to make it a simple race issue.

"Power" is the perception or the reality that you have the ability to control people or events.

With great Power, comes great responsibility. Some handle it better than others. For some, it corrupts, for others it does not.

Having a fire arm can imbue "Power". Point a gun at someone, you think you can control them. This young man found out that this "Power" is fleeting, as someone else used the same "Power" to a much more permanent end. Same perception of "Power", used differently indicating that one party used this "Power" much more effectively than the other.

I live near Youngstown, Ohio I would compare it to Mos Eisley from Star Wars. Crime, corruption, and unemployment plague the city. It like a war zone driving through the town,my wife and I were coming home one night and a guy threw a brick through my windshield. Besides minor cuts from the exploding glass nobody was hurt to bad. Most of the stores near my are robbed a couple of times a year, we just had a 23 year old women mug a 84 year old man near my house. I could tell you more but I will let numbers speak for themselves

http://www.areavibes.com/youngstown-oh/crime/

 Chute82 wrote:
I live near Youngstown, Ohio I would compare it to Mos Eisley from Star Wars. Crime, corruption, and unemployment plague the city. It like a war zone driving through the town,my wife and I were coming home one night and a guy threw a brick through my windshield. Besides minor cuts from the exploding glass nobody was hurt to bad. Most of the stores near my are robbed a couple of times a year, we just had a 23 year old women mug a 84 year old man near my house. I could tell you more but I will let numbers speak for themselves

http://www.areavibes.com/youngstown-oh/crime/

Holy gak, your housing is cheap!

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/813-Katherine-Ave-Youngstown-OH-44505/34851619_zpid/?utm_source=AreaVibes&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=listing_realestate

I think Oklahoma City was one of the deadliest cities when it comes to police shootings last year.

 kronk wrote:

 Chute82 wrote:
I live near Youngstown, Ohio I would compare it to Mos Eisley from Star Wars. Crime, corruption, and unemployment plague the city. It like a war zone driving through the town,my wife and I were coming home one night and a guy threw a brick through my windshield. Besides minor cuts from the exploding glass nobody was hurt to bad. Most of the stores near my are robbed a couple of times a year, we just had a 23 year old women mug a 84 year old man near my house. I could tell you more but I will let numbers speak for themselves

http://www.areavibes.com/youngstown-oh/crime/

Holy gak, your housing is cheap!

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/813-Katherine-Ave-Youngstown-OH-44505/34851619_zpid/?utm_source=AreaVibes&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=listing_realestate

That'd be around $500,000 minimum up here in Washington, even with the crime rate.

300k - 500k, depending here, on Location, Location, Location.

Yes houses and land are cheap around here. I bought my house 10 years ago. 3 bedrooms 2 bath, 2 car garage on 2 acres for 65k. What my cousin payed for her condo in San Diego I would have 500 acres and a mansion here.

 Ouze wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:
Groups like #BlackLivesMatter (aka The New Klan With A Tan)

TIL that protesting police violence while being black is like being in what was the nation's largest domestic terrorist organization, responsible for killing thousands of people.

Kind of an execrable comparison.

No, it's not.

Racism, inflammatory rhetoric, buzzwords, threats of violence against authorities, social unrest, violations of peace and good order, exclusion, defending proven criminals as the victims, and downplaying the crimes of those they protest over. In that vein, they are exactly the same. There is nothing "execrable" about it. They are not a civil rights organization, as they like to claim. Such a claim is an insult to those that suffered real discrimination during our less-than-perfect past, and to those who actually fought for civil rights in the 50's and 60's.


The only differences are the typical social media, neo-progressive SJW-style bs newspeak, and the fact that they haven't engaged in the level of violence the Klan, White League, and other groups did during Reconstruction. That's it.

 oldravenman3025 wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:
Groups like #BlackLivesMatter (aka The New Klan With A Tan)

TIL that protesting police violence while being black is like being in what was the nation's largest domestic terrorist organization, responsible for killing thousands of people.

Kind of an execrable comparison.

No, it's not.

Racism, inflammatory rhetoric, buzzwords, threats of violence against authorities, social unrest, violations of peace and good order, exclusion, defending proven criminals as the victims, and downplaying the crimes of those they protest over. In that vein, they are exactly the same. There is nothing "execrable" about it. They are not a civil rights organization, as they like to claim. Such a claim is an insult to those that suffered real discrimination during our less-than-perfect past, and to those who actually fought for civil rights in the 50's and 60's.


The only differences are the typical social media, neo-progressive SJW-style bs newspeak, and the fact that they haven't engaged in the level of violence the Klan, White League, and other groups did during Reconstruction. That's it.

That's a very big difference.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:
Groups like #BlackLivesMatter (aka The New Klan With A Tan)

TIL that protesting police violence while being black is like being in what was the nation's largest domestic terrorist organization, responsible for killing thousands of people.

Kind of an execrable comparison.

No, it's not.

Racism, inflammatory rhetoric, buzzwords, threats of violence against authorities, social unrest, violations of peace and good order, exclusion, defending proven criminals as the victims, and downplaying the crimes of those they protest over. In that vein, they are exactly the same. There is nothing "execrable" about it. They are not a civil rights organization, as they like to claim. Such a claim is an insult to those that suffered real discrimination during our less-than-perfect past, and to those who actually fought for civil rights in the 50's and 60's.


The only differences are the typical social media, neo-progressive SJW-style bs newspeak, and the fact that they haven't engaged in the level of violence the Klan, White League, and other groups did during Reconstruction. That's it.

That's a very big difference.

n your opinion. From my point of view, any type of racist behavior is equally reprehensible. And there is a very thin line to be crossed in this case, as the riots in Ferguson have proven.


They have the right to express such views, as long as it doesn't cross the line. And #BLM has been known to toe that line.

Today I learned that all racism is the same, other than the murders which really don't make a difference.

 oldravenman3025 wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:
Groups like #BlackLivesMatter (aka The New Klan With A Tan)

TIL that protesting police violence while being black is like being in what was the nation's largest domestic terrorist organization, responsible for killing thousands of people.

Kind of an execrable comparison.

No, it's not.

Racism, inflammatory rhetoric, buzzwords, threats of violence against authorities, social unrest, violations of peace and good order, exclusion, defending proven criminals as the victims, and downplaying the crimes of those they protest over. In that vein, they are exactly the same. There is nothing "execrable" about it. They are not a civil rights organization, as they like to claim. Such a claim is an insult to those that suffered real discrimination during our less-than-perfect past, and to those who actually fought for civil rights in the 50's and 60's.


The only differences are the typical social media, neo-progressive SJW-style bs newspeak, and the fact that they haven't engaged in the level of violence the Klan, White League, and other groups did during Reconstruction. That's it.

I like how you complain about buzzwords, then use them to push your idea.

Anyways, BLM is absolutely nothing like the KKK. Let me know when BLM starts a violent terror campaign against a group of people. Then your argument will make a little sense.

The KKK was an organized group with a power structure and membership with meetings and directives.

BLM is a hashtag.

But yeah, totally the same.

Wasn't there an incident at a large University where a bunch of BLM supporters where slamming kids into lockers and went into the library yelling racial slurs and such?

There must be a lot of ignorance of what the Klan has done in the past, and is still doing to this day, if people are able to pretend that BLM is the black version of the KKK...

Considering the BLM to be a bad movement I can understand.

Saying it's the KKK but black is either woeful or willful ignorance.

 oldravenman3025 wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:
Groups like #BlackLivesMatter (aka The New Klan With A Tan)

TIL that protesting police violence while being black is like being in what was the nation's largest domestic terrorist organization, responsible for killing thousands of people.

Kind of an execrable comparison.

No, it's not.

Racism, inflammatory rhetoric, buzzwords, threats of violence against authorities, social unrest, violations of peace and good order, exclusion, defending proven criminals as the victims, and downplaying the crimes of those they protest over. In that vein, they are exactly the same. There is nothing "execrable" about it. They are not a civil rights organization, as they like to claim. Such a claim is an insult to those that suffered real discrimination during our less-than-perfect past, and to those who actually fought for civil rights in the 50's and 60's.


The only differences are the typical social media, neo-progressive SJW-style bs newspeak, and the fact that they haven't engaged in the level of violence the Klan, White League, and other groups did during Reconstruction. That's it.

Can you point out that time when BLM started burning crosses and made family entertainment events out of lynching people?

Dreadwinter wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:
Groups like #BlackLivesMatter (aka The New Klan With A Tan)

TIL that protesting police violence while being black is like being in what was the nation's largest domestic terrorist organization, responsible for killing thousands of people.

Kind of an execrable comparison.

No, it's not.

Racism, inflammatory rhetoric, buzzwords, threats of violence against authorities, social unrest, violations of peace and good order, exclusion, defending proven criminals as the victims, and downplaying the crimes of those they protest over. In that vein, they are exactly the same. There is nothing "execrable" about it. They are not a civil rights organization, as they like to claim. Such a claim is an insult to those that suffered real discrimination during our less-than-perfect past, and to those who actually fought for civil rights in the 50's and 60's.


The only differences are the typical social media, neo-progressive SJW-style bs newspeak, and the fact that they haven't engaged in the level of violence the Klan, White League, and other groups did during Reconstruction. That's it.

I like how you complain about buzzwords, then use them to push your idea.

Anyways, BLM is absolutely nothing like the KKK. Let me know when BLM starts a violent terror campaign against a group of people. Then your argument will make a little sense.

What buzzwords, exactly? Neo-progressive isn't a buzzword. It's a description of a post-modernist, socio-political ideology (what liberals and old school leftists call the "regressive left"). And "social justice warrior" is more a derisive term for people of that bent than a buzzword, and one that is usually well deserved.


And spare me your "expertise" on the Ku Klux Klan that you got from a history book. My knowledge and experience of/with the Klan comes from personal experience, since my family had a past history in (and with/against) the Klan, being from the South,living in a time when segregation and the civil rights movement was still fresh on everyone's mind, acquaintance with former Klansmen, and the various seminars/courses I went through during my time in law enforcement dealing with STGs (security threat groups). The vast majority of the Klan's history hasn't been marked by violent activity and active terrorism. The worst period was with the original Klan during Reconstruction, with the Klan going through short periods of violence from local Klaverns during the 1920's and civil rights era. And there have been several "Klans" in existence since the original organization dissolved around 1871. It's never truly been a monolithic organization.

feeder wrote:The KKK was an organized group with a power structure and membership with meetings and directives.

BLM is a hashtag.

But yeah, totally the same.

I think you need to start watching the news more. And do some serious digging on the history on the history of the Ku Klux Klan, besides the basics they teach in high school and post on Wikipedia.

#BlackLivesMatter isn't just a fething hashtag on Twitter. Anybody that hasn't been living on the moon over the last couple of years would know that it's a goddamned MASS MOVEMENT. And it's gone beyond the United States, at least according to #BLM's founders and website. The campaign that they have been waging has involved advocating the murder of law enforcement officers, racist rhetoric, instigating (directly or indirectly) riots, property destruction, disruption of facilities and services, violence, unrest, and has a well run, cost-effective propaganda machine. Plus, they have had a divisive influence on communities by defending criminals killed during the commission of crimes against law enforcement officers, instead of truly innocent black victims of crime (especially black on black crime)


And what group has also had a similar M.O. back in the day, when it had more clout? Here's a hint: It's name has three words, all beginning with the letter "K".



As for the Klan, it's only come closest to possessing the widespread organization you (seemingly) indicated at one point in the history of the various Klans, the so-called "Second Klan" that was fractured in the 1920's, after scandals started coming to light, including the murder-rape of Madge Oberholtzer by D. C. Stephenson, the Grand Wizard of the Indiana Klan. And even then, it was still a collection of independent Klans loosely united by an umbrella organization. The Klan, even the Reconstruction era "First Klan", never achieved true unity in purpose or organization.


That's why the bigots of #BLM is no different in general form than the various Ku Klux Klan groups during most of their history. And it's isn't the level of violence or length of violent periods in their respective histories. It's a matter of fething form.

Anyway, I'm done with this line of discussion in this thread, since it's off topic (which is my fault, really, for deviating and drifting the thread). Believe what you two will. But history and facts speak for themselves.

Peace, out.



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 Goliath wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:
Groups like #BlackLivesMatter (aka The New Klan With A Tan)

TIL that protesting police violence while being black is like being in what was the nation's largest domestic terrorist organization, responsible for killing thousands of people.

Kind of an execrable comparison.

No, it's not.

Racism, inflammatory rhetoric, buzzwords, threats of violence against authorities, social unrest, violations of peace and good order, exclusion, defending proven criminals as the victims, and downplaying the crimes of those they protest over. In that vein, they are exactly the same. There is nothing "execrable" about it. They are not a civil rights organization, as they like to claim. Such a claim is an insult to those that suffered real discrimination during our less-than-perfect past, and to those who actually fought for civil rights in the 50's and 60's.


The only differences are the typical social media, neo-progressive SJW-style bs newspeak, and the fact that they haven't engaged in the level of violence the Klan, White League, and other groups did during Reconstruction. That's it.

Can you point out that time when BLM started burning crosses and made family entertainment events out of lynching people?

Irrevelent, and completely misses the point. See my previous responses if you want to know the deal.

Wait, are you literally downplaying klan violence by claiming it was a long time ago, and saying well, they were never a monolithic organization (as if different branches of the klan had different ideologies!).

The klan was directly responsible for at least twice as many domestic deaths as 9/11. You can't handwave that away because it blows a gaping hole into your incredibly poor analogue.

I have to be honest, I thought you were a reasonable dude who I just happened to have some ideological differences with but doubling down on debunked Bill O'Reilly distortions really tore that veil away.

What a disappointing thread this has been.

 Ouze wrote:

What a disappointing thread this has been.

Sometimes you just need a stiff drink after browsing some of these threads.

I would say that BLM is comparable to the KKK. Maybe not in organization, the KKK seem to be better organized. Maybe not in acts of violence, the KKK wins that one hands down. But Definitely comparable.

The KKK is literally over a hundred years old, BLM is about 2 years old, give them enough time and they will start closing that gap pretty quickly.

BLM Beats up Iraq War Veteran
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3450254/Decorated-Iraq-vet-bravery-inspired-statues-says-beaten-teens-asked-black-lives-matter.html

BLM assaults students at Dartmouth
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/16/report-black-lives-matter-protesters-assault-students-dartmouth-hurl-racial-epithets-f-filthy-white-fs/

BLM protest turns violent, beat up journalist and loot area
https://www.rt.com/usa/217835-oakland-protest-black-violence/

BLM assaults Trump supporters at rally
http://www.infowars.com/black-lives-matter-issues-major-threat-to-white-people-over-presidential-election/

The list goes on and on trust me. Are they currently as bad as the KKK? No they are not, but if they were capable of it they would be. The racially motivated hatred they chant is proof enough that they are not a civil rights group but a racist organization.

It is pathetic that instead of waiting for more details the city came out in protest against a police shooting.

SemperMortis wrote:
I would say that BLM is comparable to the KKK. Maybe not in organization, the KKK seem to be better organized. Maybe not in acts of violence, the KKK wins that one hands down. But Definitely comparable.

Other than it size, organization, and acts of violence, BLM is comparable to the largest, organized and violent racist organization in the US.

We'll just let that sink in for a bit.

 d-usa wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
I would say that BLM is comparable to the KKK. Maybe not in organization, the KKK seem to be better organized. Maybe not in acts of violence, the KKK wins that one hands down. But Definitely comparable.

Other than it size, organization, and acts of violence, BLM is comparable to the largest, organized and violent racist organization in the US.

We'll just let that sink in for a bit.

Comparable: adjective "capable of being compared; having features in common with something else to permit or suggest comparison : " (Dictionary.com)

Are they the same, no, are they similar, yes. Please don't attempt to make light of a point just because it disagrees with your stance. Either reject the point with proof or accept it. By attempting to belittle my point you merely point out the lack of support of your own position.

SemperMortis wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
I would say that BLM is comparable to the KKK. Maybe not in organization, the KKK seem to be better organized. Maybe not in acts of violence, the KKK wins that one hands down. But Definitely comparable.

Other than it size, organization, and acts of violence, BLM is comparable to the largest, organized and violent racist organization in the US.

We'll just let that sink in for a bit.

Comparable: adjective "capable of being compared; having features in common with something else to permit or suggest comparison : " (Dictionary.com)

Are they the same, no, are they similar, yes. Please don't attempt to make light of a point just because it disagrees with your stance. Either reject the point with proof or accept it. By attempting to belittle my point you merely point out the lack of support of your own position.

Maybe it's my fault for arguing with people that are comparable to politeness, but I think it's pretty clear to most people why it's a pretty stupid thing to try and compare BLM to the KKK.

Well this thread has gone nowhere fast, off topic a few pages ago talking about jesus, now we're mired in "is hte BLM as bad as the Klan". Let's just call it here, too many people toeing the line