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Yeah, I need to rethink my BT army.

Needs nore Grav spam. Especially since I was right, and two grav thingies DO remove 3 HP.

Regarding Grenades, having one character/model armed with Meltabombs might not be a bad idea any more, since only one model can use a Grenade per phase, you could throw a krak (or frag) grenade in the shooting phase if you wish, and then use the meltabomb on whatever armored target you're charging in against. It's only one swing, but AP:1 with armorbane if it hits. Decent odds of wrecking or exploding it.

I'm overall somewhat pleased with the FAQ draft, specifically the allied transports starting embarked, and the toe-in cover save for big critters and the like.

That said, I am curious about the Relics thing, as I was under the impression that a model could have multiple relics provided only one of them was a weapon. If that's not the case, I'm going to have to re-think how I field my Blood Angels Captain, which normally wields the Valor's Edge, and wears the Crown Angelic. If I have to go to using his weapon as a Relic Blade I will, without issue, just kinda surprised me to see that little addendum at the end of the FAQ.

We'll see what happens, but I am fairly happy with seeing this so soon after the question request on facebook a few weeks back.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

I was under the impression that having single Meltabombs on a squad has been deemed an effective choice for well over 1,5 years now. In the more competitive scene atleast.

I think the thing we really need to take away from this is just how unreliable the YMDC crowd is for accurately interpreting RAW.

 KalethNL wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
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Q: Using grenades in the Assault phase. Can every model replace their close combat attacks with a single grenade attack or just one model in the unit? Like in the Shooting phase e.g. a unit of 5 Tau Pathfinders charge a Knight. Do 5 Pathfinders make close combat haywire grenade attacks?
A: Only one model from the unit can attack with a grenade in the Assault phase. Per Warhammer 40,000: The Rules, ‘Only one grenade (of any type) can be thrown by a unit per phase’.

Ugh lets hope that this is not in the final form or my tank busta's and inquisitors are completely useless : (

I really don't get why these are ruled this way ( pure from a rule perspective not from balance etc)

As an Orks Player, I understand your feeling, but for unfortunatly, I found the RB pretty clear on this point and the FAQ confirm it....

But you don't throw grenades in close combat, you clamp them on (the BRB evven says so)

Over all I think they did an okay job, there were a few changes that I didn't really like, such as
FMC are now immune to blasts when swooping.
Veil of Darkness makes you walk on the board edge if you don't have DS on everyone in the unit.

But there are a few I really don't like:

Only one grenade in assault; so I pay 10points for krak grenades on my guardsmen why?

SHV must snap shoot after a ram; really? Mr. Bane blade can't so much as bump a war buggy without lossing all targeting? Whaaaat?

Preferred Enemy no longer grants rerolls to gets hot on blast weapons; So exactly the opposite of IIRC what it EXPLICITLLY states in the BRB. Well I guess my Leman Russ Executioners will never see the table again, as they would just kill themselves anyway.

Serpent Shield and Ramshackle can now stop D weapons; So let me get this straight, no amount of phase shift, or non-void shields, or being daemon-ey, or what ever can stop a D weapon, but random McEldar shield, or shoddy craftsmanship can stop D weapons.....I don't even.......

Cindis wrote:
I think the thing we really need to take away from this is just how unreliable the YMDC crowd is for accurately interpreting RAW.

A lot of the answers in this are clearly against what was written in the book.

 CrownAxe wrote:

Cindis wrote:
I think the thing we really need to take away from this is just how unreliable the YMDC crowd is for accurately interpreting RAW.

A lot of the answers in this are clearly against what was written in the book.

Exactly. The thing we actually take away from this is that the YMDC crowd is bad at accurately predicting what GW will do, because GW's FAQ authors are idiots who don't even understand their own rules. GW issuing a ruling that directly contradicts RAW is not a failure by the players, it's a failure by GW.

Q: Are passengers in Jinking Transports forced to fire Snap Shots?
A: Yes.

Damn DE are screwed

 Draco wrote:
Faq for grenades is good imo. Now walkers are little better than earlier (not so good as MCs). LR could be a problem now altough.

Yes...for orks.

 Runic wrote:
I was under the impression that having single Meltabombs on a squad has been deemed an effective choice for well over 1,5 years now. In the more competitive scene atleast.

My impression melta bombs have been an afterthought, because Krak is everywhere.

I brought melta bombs for all my AM sergeants and ICs in the Norwegian national tournament this january. I feel it was a waste of points. Sure it is a safeguard against pure mech armies, but you just dont get many opportunities to use them. In the 5 matches I had I got to swing once with a meltabomb (against a space wolves dreadnought). Nobody used meltabombs against me, even if I had a baneblade.

My friend ran a dradnought heavy list (none of us came with very competative lists), and did not meet melta bombs either. They just PF or Krak you.

Overall I'm happy with most of the changes.

I like:
-No more toe in cover for many annoying things
-Changes to FMC cover saves
-Rolling to hit for certain witchfires (specifically many focused)
-Clarification on jinking and snap shots for passengers
-Making it harder for allied taxi service lists (I started playing back when it was single-CAD from an individual codex, allies are still a strange concept to me short of dexes like harlequins)

I'm not very fond of:
-The grenades in assault ruling. I thought it was weird to throw only 1 grenade in the shooting phase but I chalked it up to balance. In the assault phase however I feel this was an unnecessary change. As was stated earlier the issue isn't so much grenades it's the HP system and auto-hit rear armour. Just my opinion.
-The ability to make Look out sir attempts from focused witchfires. I hate Look out sir in it's current iteration as is and having people throw themselves in front of your special attacks or precision shots is really annoying. This is an especially deep thorn in my side as I often roll up Mind war and I can't fathom how a random dude dives in the way and blocks my mental attack with his brain...

In general though I'm glad we got his FAQ/Errata thing. It's long overdue. By the way anyone else look at the Quantum shielding vs. Lance weapon ruling and just scratch their head? Now your typically str8 lance weapons are hitting most necron vehicles on AV 11 instead of twelve. That was an unexpected ruling.

Q: Can I have an Unbound army comprising nothing but buildings?
A: No.

Great Omnissiah!!! Who the feth asked that?

I couldn`t care less about that pod-nerf. Never played that way, and the AdMech is still a complete mess.
The Get`s-hot-thing on the other hand.... More Iradiation-engines, less Photon thruster on my Myrmidon Destructors. Oh, well....

I like how get hots blasts can't be re rolled, but regular gets hot still can for reasons.

 Ankhalagon wrote:

Q: Can I have an Unbound army comprising nothing but buildings?
A: No.

Great Omnissiah!!! Who the feth asked that?

A player in my local GW who had already bought, built and painted the army. We will all still let him play it.

 slip wrote:
I like how get hots blasts can't be re rolled, but regular gets hot still can for reasons.

Gets Hot shots are usually re-rolled with abilities that affect To Hit Rolls. The Gets Hot roll on a Blast weapon is not a To Hit Roll.

Disappointed by a lack of changes to the Graviton rule; it desperately needs to be nerfed down to only inflict Crew Shaken then Hull Points only once the crew are already shaken, maybe adjusted to wound based on bulk rather than save.

 Runic wrote:

 slip wrote:
I like how get hots blasts can't be re rolled, but regular gets hot still can for reasons.

Gets Hot shots are usually re-rolled with abilities that affect To Hit Rolls. The Gets Hot roll on a Blast weapon is not a To Hit Roll.

Did you think I didn't understand that part?

Cindis wrote:
I think the thing we really need to take away from this is just how unreliable the YMDC crowd is for accurately interpreting RAW.

Almost as if they're a bunch of different people with different opinions...



Given GW's penchant for writing unclear rules, and for 'clarifying' rules in ways that completely contradict the rules, any given interpretation of the RAW is only ever going to be at best a guess when it comes to divining what the writer actually intended.

 Runic wrote:

 slip wrote:
I like how get hots blasts can't be re rolled, but regular gets hot still can for reasons.

Gets Hot shots are usually re-rolled with abilities that affect To Hit Rolls. The Gets Hot roll on a Blast weapon is not a To Hit Roll.

I know, I know. Now forge a narrative for it.

 Drasius wrote:

 Ankhalagon wrote:

Q: Can I have an Unbound army comprising nothing but buildings?
A: No.

Great Omnissiah!!! Who the feth asked that?

A player in my local GW who had already bought, built and painted the army. We will all still let him play it.

Ok, I have to know. What buildings were in the list? Possibly something like Fortress of Redemption, Aquila Strongpoint, Bastion, maybe some VSG's?

 Runic wrote:
I was under the impression that having single Meltabombs on a squad has been deemed an effective choice for well over 1,5 years now. In the more competitive scene atleast.

 NL_Cirrus wrote:

Only one grenade in assault; so I pay 10points for krak grenades on my guardsmen why?

 triplegrim wrote:

 Runic wrote:
I was under the impression that having single Meltabombs on a squad has been deemed an effective choice for well over 1,5 years now. In the more competitive scene atleast.

My impression melta bombs have been an afterthought, because Krak is everywhere.

I brought melta bombs for all my AM sergeants and ICs in the Norwegian national tournament this january. I feel it was a waste of points. Sure it is a safeguard against pure mech armies, but you just dont get many opportunities to use them. In the 5 matches I had I got to swing once with a meltabomb (against a space wolves dreadnought). Nobody used meltabombs against me, even if I had a baneblade.

My friend ran a dradnought heavy list (none of us came with very competative lists), and did not meet melta bombs either. They just PF or Krak you.

I'm split on the krak grenades and melta bombs. I feel you shouldn't be able to use grenades in CC anyway and I feel this addresses it.

However, the issue is the codices were clearly not written with this in mind, and FW, which allows Veteran Squads and Command Squads to take melta bombs for everyone. No point with 25pt upgrades the melta bombs then.

 oldzoggy wrote:

Q: Can I have an Unbound army comprising nothing but buildings?
A: No.

I forgot that I need to join the smug party on being right about the colossal weapon for the Dthirster. Where is kriswall, I need to give him a good natured smugging.

Oh god. The Ordinatus is practically indestructible now.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Oh god. The Ordinatus is practically indestructible now.

You forgot this image:

 Ankhalagon wrote:

Q: Can I have an Unbound army comprising nothing but buildings?
A: No.

Great Omnissiah!!! Who the feth asked that?

I couldn`t care less about that pod-nerf. Never played that way, and the AdMech is still a complete mess.
The Get`s-hot-thing on the other hand.... More Iradiation-engines, less Photon thruster on my Myrmidon Destructors. Oh, well....

Why?, the Photon Thruster is Heavy 2 so Prefered Enemy will let you re-roll those 1's, it's only on blast weapons that you can't re-roll the Gets Hot roll of a 1. I'm surprised this was even brought up, PE is very clear that it only effects To Hit and To Wound rolls of 1, a Gets Hot roll on a blast weapon is neither so why would anyone think you can re roll it with PE?

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Oh god. The Ordinatus is practically indestructible now.

Not if you have Titans.

And let's be honest, Leviathan vs Leviathan is only fair.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Oh god. The Ordinatus is practically indestructible now.

Not if you have Titans.

And let's be honest, Leviathan vs Leviathan is only fair.

Actually I am not afraid of D weapons. Like at all. The Dispersion Shield makes D weapons not great, and their secondary guns flatten Void Shields...

 Crazyterran wrote:
I forgot that I need to join the smug party on being right about the colossal weapon for the Dthirster. Where is kriswall, I need to give him a good natured smugging.

Care to elaborate? I think i missed something