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yeah, I can live with a fig like the hoemoculus being a lot more expensive than regular guys since he's so different look wise. That shaman looked not much different than the others tzaangors on disk. Ridiculous to ask for that much of a difference price-wise

On the uk store all the daemons of tzeentch have sold out and say no longer available, Are they making new models for all of them?

natweb wrote:
On the uk store all the daemons of tzeentch have sold out and say no longer available, Are they making new models for all of them?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/4650/690078.page#9147833

Perfect thanks

 streetsamurai wrote:
yeah, I can live with a fig like the hoemoculus being a lot more expensive than regular guys since he's so different look wise. That shaman looked not much different than the others tzaangors on disk. Ridiculous to ask for that much of a difference price-wise

If the difference is that bad, don't buy it. Of course many will, which justifies the price difference right off. People forget the alternative isn't a shaman that costs the same as one skyfire, its three skyfires costing the same as three shamans. I understand constructive criticism but if its getting in the way of you being happy when an improvement is made then why bother?

What's weird is that the shaman is slightly cheaper than the enlightened in every territory except the US. It is a lovely model but for the price conscious converting it is definitely a better option.

 Ghaz wrote:

natweb wrote:
On the uk store all the daemons of tzeentch have sold out and say no longer available, Are they making new models for all of them?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/4650/690078.page#9147833

This means they're about to release a box with 6 Flamers and a box with 6 Screamers, right?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
yeah, I can live with a fig like the hoemoculus being a lot more expensive than regular guys since he's so different look wise. That shaman looked not much different than the others tzaangors on disk. Ridiculous to ask for that much of a difference price-wise

If the difference is that bad, don't buy it. Of course many will, which justifies the price difference right off. People forget the alternative isn't a shaman that costs the same as one skyfire, its three skyfires costing the same as three shamans. I understand constructive criticism but if its getting in the way of you being happy when an improvement is made then why bother?

They tried this pricing model with the fyreslayer and it was a disaster sale-wise. I'm generally hapy with the way the DOT release is priced, but that doesn't mean I have to be happy with the pricing of everything in it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

natweb wrote:
On the uk store all the daemons of tzeentch have sold out and say no longer available, Are they making new models for all of them?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/4650/690078.page#9147833

This means they're about to release a box with 6 Flamers and a box with 6 Screamers, right?

No idea, especially since their minimum unit size didn't change in Age of Sigmar. Hopefully if they do, the price per model drops.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

natweb wrote:
On the uk store all the daemons of tzeentch have sold out and say no longer available, Are they making new models for all of them?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/4650/690078.page#9147833

This means they're about to release a box with 6 Flamers and a box with 6 Screamers, right?

Oh god I hope so.

As long as they pull the same trick they pulled with the Bloodcrushers - ie making it cheaper per model.

I'll be honest, I'm still in shock with the price of the discs.
Had assumed it was rumors that were slightly off when I first heard them.



And in regards to the shaman, all character pricing is the same.
GW has always charged a premium for characters are people don't usually need to buy more than 1-2 of them.


My advice?
If you don't like the price just grab a box of enlightened and give them a quick conversion.
3 shaman for roughly the same price as 1.

True, but the premium used to be much more reasonable. Just look at the Magister, which is one of the first clampack character released. He's priced at 17$ canadian. Nowadays, most clampacks are more than twice that price. Agreed that the pricing of the Tzaangors on disk (and the acolytes) is pleaseantly shocking

Trying to figure out GW's pricing strategy is an exercise in futility. For example, let's look at the Pink Horrors and the Screamers of Tzeentch. In the UK, the two kits have the same price (£18). In the United States, the Screamers are slightly more expensive than the Horrors ($29.75 versus $29). Meanwhile in Middle-earth (aka, New Zealand) the Pink Horrors are more expensive than the Screamers ($57 versus $52). What kind of 'pricing strategy' is that?

Agreed. I've seen such disparity when it comes to Canada as well. Weird to say the least, and I would like to know the logic behind it.

Only thing I could think off is that maybe they are doing some elasticity-price test.


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Agreed. I've seen such disparity when it comes to Canada as well. Weird to say the least, and I would like to know the logic behind it.

Only thing I could think off is that maybe they are doing some elasticity-price test.

Oh I'm not disputing it's higher than normal.
It is however £20 instead of the £23 failcast herald on disc.

So for a model in plastic with more detail it's better value.



Elite units also follow this as well.
Empire great swords were the pinnacle of high pricing when the plastic set came out.
However, witches soon knocked that one out the park.


All in all though, the releases are getting far better for prices.
And all the discounted sets is even better.

Just hoping they follow this trend now and keep the prices around this level.

I can deal with paying £20 for a character I'll only ever need one of.
What I don't like is having to pay £35 for 10 models when I know I'm going to need in the region of 100 of them.

Looking at the book now, and it looks very different from what I'm used to. It will be interesting to see what any tacticas have to say. At least i can use the existing mortal units I have already.

Looking at the costs, I can tell that they are definitely trying to encourage battalion use with how cheap they all are. I suspect the Warpflame Host and Witchfyre Coven in particular will see a lot of use while the Daemon Cohort of Tzeentch will return with a vengeance, and the Multitudinous Host seems like it could be extremely powerful at the hands of a skilled player. Overall though the balance seems better than I expected it would be; GW's experience with Matched Play at this point definitely shows in these costs. I do think that the Lord of Change will be a popular option for simply being very powerful for its cost, while msu Tzaangor Spam alongside an Arcanite Cabal is a potential exploitative list.

As a matched play player I think GW did a great job of balancing this Battletome and with new Battletomes (by new I mean Battletomes with magic items and spell lores like Sylvaneth) they are doing it great.

Tzeentch has amazing ability with Destiny Dice but there isn't any cheap Battleline units and army is very spell oriented and having spell heavy Sylvaneth tournament army it can work. Some units are really great - Lord of Change (with Destiny Dices easy choice over Fateweaver as he can take extra items), Tzaangors, Tzaangors Enlighted and even Kairic Acolytes with some battalions are nice Battleline units that is very flexible. The number of mortal wounds through magic could be extreme but spell casting isn't that reliable and units are very pricey and quite fragile.

But with the prices they showed I've already ordered 1000pts army for like 160 USD ( but I got Silver Tower so I had two heroes)

I'm just wondering why G-Dubs manages to achieve a reasonable balancing with AoS whereas most people seem to bemoan the inner and outer balance of the 40K codices.

Completely different people working on it? Different approach?

SKR.HH wrote:
I'm just wondering why G-Dubs manages to achieve a reasonable balancing with AoS whereas most people seem to bemoan the inner and outer balance of the 40K codices.

Completely different people working on it? Different approach?

Possible, remember that GHB is basically a slight tweak of fan comps made by players. So I think that its within the realm of possibility that they consult veteran tournament players across the board.

At the very least we know GW is working with ITC for their FaQs.

Could be a sign that 40k 8th will follow a similar path with more 3rd party involvement with the rules.


Of course, it could also be because GW doesn't give a toss about 40k 7th and just want to milk it for all they've got.

Lord Kragan wrote:

SKR.HH wrote:
I'm just wondering why G-Dubs manages to achieve a reasonable balancing with AoS whereas most people seem to bemoan the inner and outer balance of the 40K codices.

Completely different people working on it? Different approach?

Possible, remember that GHB is basically a slight tweak of fan comps made by players. So I think that its within the realm of possibility that they consult veteran tournament players across the board.

The base point costs are SCGT done up to PPC scale, with a few modifiers here and there. So in other words, GW didn't design the GHB costs, fans did, and GW made the smart move of not wasting their effort.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

SKR.HH wrote:
I'm just wondering why G-Dubs manages to achieve a reasonable balancing with AoS whereas most people seem to bemoan the inner and outer balance of the 40K codices.

Completely different people working on it? Different approach?

Possible, remember that GHB is basically a slight tweak of fan comps made by players. So I think that its within the realm of possibility that they consult veteran tournament players across the board.

The base point costs are SCGT done up to PPC scale, with a few modifiers here and there. So in other words, GW didn't design the GHB costs, fans did, and GW made the smart move of not wasting their effort.

True, true... But the releases after GHB seems to be quite balanced as well. So, did they gave them out for playtesting?

They could have playtested them in-house, there's no need to get a completely accurate value because of how the costs work so a couple dozen games would have done a good enough job.

Dan Heelan, one of the non-GW players who developed the SCGT point system, has mentioned on his podcast that he's still involved with AoS development. So I'm assuming he's still consulted for points development.

Got pricing info here for next week's releases...

Lord of Change £70
Blue Horrors £20 (10 Blue, 10 Brimstone)
Changeling £20
Start Collecting Daemons of Tzeentch (yeah, forgot to ask about contents...)

Also Dwarf Giants team, with dice and special play cards coming for Blood Bowl.

One interesting thing... Liberators and Judicators are being pulled, to be replaced by... something else, no idea what yet...

MongooseMatt wrote:
Daemons of Tzeentch (yeah, forgot to ask about contents...)
One interesting thing... Liberators and Judicators are being pulled, to be replaced by... something else, no idea what yet...

Good lord man. What have you done?

MongooseMatt wrote:
Got pricing info here for next week's releases...

Lord of Change £70
Blue Horrors £20 (10 Blue, 10 Brimstone)
Changeling £20
Start Collecting Daemons of Tzeentch (yeah, forgot to ask about contents...)

Also Dwarf Giants team, with dice and special play cards coming for Blood Bowl.

One interesting thing... Liberators and Judicators are being pulled, to be replaced by... something else, no idea what yet...

sure? LOC is very cheap : /

You forgot to ask the most important thing :O

I'm going to take a stab at guessing though.
Burning Chariot, Pink Horrors, Blue & Brimstone Horrors and Flamers.

I only say Flamers because they're less popular than Screamers and are also cheaper.


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zamerion wrote:

MongooseMatt wrote:
Got pricing info here for next week's releases...

Lord of Change £70
Blue Horrors £20 (10 Blue, 10 Brimstone)
Changeling £20
Start Collecting Daemons of Tzeentch (yeah, forgot to ask about contents...)

Also Dwarf Giants team, with dice and special play cards coming for Blood Bowl.

One interesting thing... Liberators and Judicators are being pulled, to be replaced by... something else, no idea what yet...

sure? LOC is very cheap : /

That's the same price as the current Bloodthirster model, so I wouldn't say 'very cheap'.

A ok, bad change.

Blodthirster is 90 euros, and £70 are 81 euros.