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In the GW-Webstores the regulary Chaos Space Marines Sets are since some time "sold out" (permanently no longer available). A repack with 32mm Bases is not the reason, this happened allready. My GW Store got yesterday (May 17th) the information that he should send back all Codex CSM and the "Daemonkin Warband" Set he have in the Store.

Maybe a small update with the second Warzone Fenris Book, like other Factions in the last few suppliments?

Commentary on Faeit 212:

GW store managers have been asked to return CSM Codexes/ices to GWHQ, too...

MajorWesJonson on Warseer:

Sad Panda mentioned that they have not been doing proper codices for 7th anymore as it is a lame duck ruleset, and summer 2017 could fit as a proper new codex after an 8th edition rule book release. Until then, we could maybe see a Fenris part 2 with formations and some new kits, but nothing actually being redone for chaos...

the US store doesn't have the regular CSM kit as sold out :(

I've seen a posting on facebook early this morning that somebodys local store (not a GW from what I can tell) being told by their GW rep that they could (not have to) return their CSM stuff which might fit in with this

(or it could be a basic repack on the 32mm bases, but do non GWs normally get to swap out their old inventory?)

Edit: I can't find this morning reference, but I did find another

Adeptus Astartes

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Interesting but I'll wait and see with how they've been with CSM

via Mikhael on Faeit 212
as a store owner I can confirm, there will something happening with the CSMs
I got the information that I can them send back all CSM Articles in the Store, if I want.

-Aaron

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I've seen a posting on facebook early this morning that somebodys local store (not a GW from what I can tell) being told by their GW rep that they could (not have to) return their CSM stuff which might fit in with this

(or it could be a basic repack on the 32mm bases, but do non GWs normally get to swap out their old inventory?)

The main CSM box got repacked with Khorne Daemonkin.

The Possessed, who have been sold out for a few months, never got updated.

The mutations sprue, bike, tank and vehicle accessory sprues are gone, or had, from the UK site as well.

This is weird, as these are all signs that would traditionally precede an update, yet the most reliable sources have said it isn't happening.

Just spoke to a GW rep. Products have been moved from the trade range, meaning if a store wants them, they have to order them directly from the website. This is usually done before a repackaging or a new release, he says.
He went on to say there is no official policy to return the CSM kits atm. His words, not mine.
Stores saying they have been told such are likely not being truthful, or have worked out some deal with their reps.

Send back ALL their Chaos Marine stuff??? Maybe they're just squatting Chaos Marines.

Albino Squirrel wrote:
Send back ALL their Chaos Marine stuff??? Maybe they're just squatting Chaos Marines.

Nah.

Likely they had to do inventory at GW shops and stuff that should have gone back awhile ago(like hardback codices when the paperbacks came out) got called in.

Neronoxx wrote:
Just spoke to a GW rep. Products have been moved from the trade range, meaning if a store wants them, they have to order them directly from the website. This is usually done before a repackaging or a new release, he says.
He went on to say there is no official policy to return the CSM kits atm. His words, not mine.
Stores saying they have been told such are likely not being truthful, or have worked out some deal with their reps.

that makes a lot of sense (especially if the rep concerned might be eligible for a bonus for shifting a ton of silver tower? letting them do so would give stores spare cash to spend on it and a less scrupulous rep might imply the store would be smart to do so)

I would literally laugh so hard if they squatted Chaos Marines. Even funnier since I imagine them recalling the range and then just burying it in a desert somewhere.

It won't happen, but if it does I'll be literally rolling on the floor and laughing.

The CSM Sets were allready secretly repacked with 32mm. See first post.

When GW repack their Sets, they usual take the Article out of the shop.

Maybe they're releasing a new kit like the CSM Chosen from Dark Vengeance.

How I wish...

Man, if they refreshed the whole Chaos line and gave them a good set of rules, I would actually consider buying them as my third army. Then I remember that I already have two Space Marine armies, so then I don't really want to.

RazorEdge wrote:
The CSM Sets were allready secretly repacked with 32mm. See first post.

When GW repack their Sets, they usual take the Article out of the shop.

Actually, they don't.

They get told to either:
A) Return the items.
or
B) Sell through the items.

The CSM sets weren't "secretly" repackaged, they made it clear with Khorne Daemonkin that they were repacking. They actually sent their shops 32mm bases to give customers who bought the 25mm versions recently.

If new sculpts are indeed coming, (and seriously, its about Don't bypass the Language filter like this. reds8n time, considering that almost the entire CSM range is from 3rd edition!!), then we damn well better be getting some new options as well...

One of the biggest things holding Chaos back is that we haven't had a single new piece of wargear since day 1 of 3rd edition... While Loyalists, between their 4+ special snowflake books get;
- 4 pistols
- 4 special weapons
- 7!! heavy weapons

Chaos Marines are still stuck with just;
- Plasma pistol
- Flamer, Meltagun, Plasma gun
- Heavy bolter, Autocannon, Missile launcher, Lascannon

It's time we get some new toys, and new model kits are the only way to make this happen. If GW though decides to keep ignoring the very real arms race problem that's left CSM's firmly in the dust?
Well, new models will hopefully look sweet, but the army will still just be an unplayable shelf decoration.

The problem is that Space Marines seem to have a dedicated product development team to ensure something new and marine is always coming out; its a level of attention otherwise reserved to the whole of AoS or the rest of 40k combined. In the manufacturing world, we'd call the central person in driving development a Product Manager and its clear from the way GW releases products Space Marines has someone dedicated while the rest are at best sharing. In the past that role was clearly taken by whoever wrote the codex, but overtime its become a model first approach which is why models have become fictionally less cohesive and the rule books other than Space Marines seem to lack attention.

When it comes to Chaos not having new weapons, I'm fine with that but they should get something to balance that reality; for instance you'd think there would be more unsanctioned modifications to wargear, alien, daemon, or otherwise.

It has begun. Chaos is begin to shrink.

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While I would like to remain hopeful, I am beginning to think CSM will never get a proper update. Seeing as they're referred to as the biggest threat to the Imperium, you would hope they're rules would reflect that.

Man, I miss those crazy wishlist rumors that CSM would be split into renegades and super veteran heresy-era lists.

I'd love to hear what Sad Panda has to say about this...

 Nocturnus wrote:
While I would like to remain hopeful, I am beginning to think CSM will never get a proper update. Seeing as they're referred to as the biggest threat to the Imperium, you would hope they're rules would reflect that.

GW made us really threatening once before, and Loyalist players ended up whining & QQ'ing when we actually won something.

Ever since that one summer campaign, GW has made sure that Chaos stays firmly under the booted heel of our Imperial betters, since Loyalists don't like to lose.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Nocturnus wrote:
While I would like to remain hopeful, I am beginning to think CSM will never get a proper update. Seeing as they're referred to as the biggest threat to the Imperium, you would hope they're rules would reflect that.

GW made us really threatening once before, and Loyalist players ended up whining & QQ'ing when we actually won something.

Ever since that one summer campaign, GW has made sure that Chaos stays firmly under the booted heel of our Imperial betters, since Loyalists don't like to lose.

Considering the amount of complaining I've seen coming from Chaos players since before that campaign, I think it's less GW and Loyalists and more a case of Chaos players projecting their own insecurities regarding losing and blaming everything on everyone else.

...Which actually fits the lore pretty well, all things considered.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Nocturnus wrote:
While I would like to remain hopeful, I am beginning to think CSM will never get a proper update. Seeing as they're referred to as the biggest threat to the Imperium, you would hope they're rules would reflect that.

GW made us really threatening once before, and Loyalist players ended up whining & QQ'ing when we actually won something.

Ever since that one summer campaign, GW has made sure that Chaos stays firmly under the booted heel of our Imperial betters, since Loyalists don't like to lose.

Please, its been about nine or ten years of moaning from chaos players. Time to give that particular record a change.

Mikhael on Faeit 212:

After a longer Phone Talk with the Manager from a near GW Store (we are good Freinds) I got the Information that he should send back the following Articles to the HQ:

-Codex Chaos Space Marines
-Crimson Slaughter - A Dark Vengeance Expansion Set
-Dark Angels: A Dark Vengeance Expansion Set

Also he got the Information that he can no longer order the following Sets from the HQ:

-Dark Vengeance Starter Set
-Chaos Space Marines (10 man Squad)
-Chaos Space Marines Attack Sqaud (5 man Squad)
-Chaos Space Marine Biker (Single Model)
-Possessed

RazorEdge wrote:
Mikhael on Faeit 212:

After a longer Phone Talk with the Manager from a near GW Store (we are good Freinds) I got the Information that he should send back the following Articles to the HQ:

-Codex Chaos Space Marines
-Crimson Slaughter - A Dark Vengeance Expansion Set
-Dark Angels: A Dark Vengeance Expansion Set

Also he got the Information that he can no longer order the following Sets from the HQ:

-Dark Vengeance Starter Set
-Chaos Space Marines (10 man Squad)
-Chaos Space Marines Attack Sqaud (5 man Squad)
-Chaos Space Marine Biker (Single Model)
-Possessed

When I worked at the local GW store, we stopped getting the Battle for Macragge sets about 6 months prior to the release of the Black Reach set.

All this swirling around is giving me some serious pause to get anything started. I've got a CSM kit in bits, one still on the sprue and a bunch of Calth Marines just waiting to be assembled. Before that happens, I need to know what the hell is going on!

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Please, its been about nine or ten years of moaning from chaos players. Time to give that particular record a change.

Well, nine or ten years of garbage rules will do that. Just because you aren't interested and don't care doesn't mean everyone else has to stop.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
It has begun. Chaos is begin to shrink.

Slowly but surely!

RazorEdge wrote:
Mikhael on Faeit 212:

After a longer Phone Talk with the Manager from a near GW Store (we are good Freinds) I got the Information that he should send back the following Articles to the HQ:

-Codex Chaos Space Marines
-Crimson Slaughter - A Dark Vengeance Expansion Set
-Dark Angels: A Dark Vengeance Expansion Set

Also he got the Information that he can no longer order the following Sets from the HQ:

-Dark Vengeance Starter Set
-Chaos Space Marines (10 man Squad)
-Chaos Space Marines Attack Sqaud (5 man Squad)
-Chaos Space Marine Biker (Single Model)
-Possessed

Of that list, basically everything hasn't been able to be ordered for almost five months.

Mmm salty