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If only we hadn't allowed in muslin refugees.

If only the club's patrons had been carrying guns.

The situation would have been much better then.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
If only we hadn't allowed in muslin refugees.

If only the club's patrons had been carrying guns.

The situation would have been much better then.

This is neither the time nor the place. Take a long hard look at your life if your first thought upon seeing this news is "hmmm. How can I use this to make a political point?"

I wish they'd be more specific than "assault rifle" and "high capacity magazines".

There hasn't been confirmation if it's a semi or fully-auto yet, have there?

 Goliath wrote:
This is neither the time nor the place. Take a long hard look at your life if your first thought upon seeing this news is "hmmm. How can I use this to make a political point?"

... A man just shot up a gay club, this is the perfect god damned time to bring up homophobia and how come the US specifically has so many shootings that this is simply "the most recent gun massacre". Especially against everyone who wants to make it about Muslims and/or people from the Middle East.

Anyone who claims that this is neither the time nor the place to talk about how deeply political this attack is would never find the time and place for it.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I wish they'd be more specific than "assault rifle" and "high capacity magazines".

The vast majority of people don't know firearm jargon so instead of using technical terms they use vague terms, especially when the details of the event are still trickling out. The exact weapon used isn't the important bit at this point, just wait.

I genuinely don't know where my emotions are regarding this.

Its absolutely horrible. It's sad and unnecessary. It's a really really shifty reminder that homophobia and hatred of LGBT people is still horrendously present.

And like, I'm going on holiday to Orlando in a fortnight.
I'm going to have a couple of nights to myself when I'm there and Pulse was one of the places that I was tentatively planning on going.

feth this.

 Crablezworth wrote:
whatever he was packing put a hole through a kevlar helmet.

Just about any rifle will do that.

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Goliath wrote:
This is neither the time nor the place. Take a long hard look at your life if your first thought upon seeing this news is "hmmm. How can I use this to make a political point?"

... A man just shot up a gay club, this is the perfect god damned time to bring up homophobia and how come the US specifically has so many shootings that this is simply "the most recent gun massacre". Especially against everyone who wants to make it about Muslims and/or people from the Middle East.

Anyone who claims that this is neither the time nor the place to talk about how deeply political this attack is would never find the time and place for it.

yes, but he wasn't discussing homophobia was he? He saw that someone with an Arabic name shot up a club full of lgbt people, and he realised that he had discovered the perfect fething time to criticise refugees and promote gun ownership. feth off with that gak.

Through the BBC, reporting that one of the local stations is saying a law enforcement source said that the number of dead is likely to increase at the next briefing. Terrible news.

 Goliath wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Goliath wrote:
This is neither the time nor the place. Take a long hard look at your life if your first thought upon seeing this news is "hmmm. How can I use this to make a political point?"

... A man just shot up a gay club, this is the perfect god damned time to bring up homophobia and how come the US specifically has so many shootings that this is simply "the most recent gun massacre". Especially against everyone who wants to make it about Muslims and/or people from the Middle East.

Anyone who claims that this is neither the time nor the place to talk about how deeply political this attack is would never find the time and place for it.

yes, but he wasn't discussing homophobia was he? He saw that someone with an Arabic name shot up a club full of lgbt people, and he realised that he had discovered the perfect fething time to criticise refugees and promote gun ownership. feth off with that gak.

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic, because the idea of a lot of people in a cramped, dark space pulling out guns and firing at whatever they think is going on is immediately a very bad scenario. It's taking the usual response of guns protecting against mass shootings and exposing it for how terribly stupid it is by simply spelling it.

If he wasn't sarcastic then uh yeah that was a terrible suggestion.

 Goliath wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Goliath wrote:
This is neither the time nor the place. Take a long hard look at your life if your first thought upon seeing this news is "hmmm. How can I use this to make a political point?"

... A man just shot up a gay club, this is the perfect god damned time to bring up homophobia and how come the US specifically has so many shootings that this is simply "the most recent gun massacre". Especially against everyone who wants to make it about Muslims and/or people from the Middle East.

Anyone who claims that this is neither the time nor the place to talk about how deeply political this attack is would never find the time and place for it.

yes, but he wasn't discussing homophobia was he? He saw that someone with an Arabic name shot up a club full of lgbt people, and he realised that he had discovered the perfect fething time to criticise refugees and promote gun ownership. feth off with that gak.

To be fair to NinthMusketeer, I'm willing to bet that was sarcasm...

It was indeed sarcasm, a crack on how many of the popularized efforts to stop events like this do nothing of the sort.

 Goliath wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Goliath wrote:
This is neither the time nor the place. Take a long hard look at your life if your first thought upon seeing this news is "hmmm. How can I use this to make a political point?"

... A man just shot up a gay club, this is the perfect god damned time to bring up homophobia and how come the US specifically has so many shootings that this is simply "the most recent gun massacre". Especially against everyone who wants to make it about Muslims and/or people from the Middle East.

Anyone who claims that this is neither the time nor the place to talk about how deeply political this attack is would never find the time and place for it.

yes, but he wasn't discussing homophobia was he? He saw that someone with an Arabic name shot up a club full of lgbt people, and he realised that he had discovered the perfect fething time to criticise refugees and promote gun ownership. feth off with that gak.

Err, I'm moderately sure that he is making a sarcastic comment; that is, mocking people that hold the views he mentioned, not affirming them. I could be wrong, though that presumption informs my response to him.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
If only we hadn't allowed in muslin refugees.

If only the club's patrons had been carrying guns.

The situation would have been much better then.

Yes, it is entirely unreasonable for people to be concerned about the mass immigration of people from areas of the world that are nearly ubiquitously, virulently homophobic and Antisemetic.



Reality is not always what we would like it to be, but failure to recognize reality does not change it.

He was 'on the radar' of U.S. officials for some time, law enforcement officials told ABC News.

How does someone "on the radar" get to keep a class G firearms permit?

 Buzzsaw wrote:


Yes, it is entirely unreasonable for people to be concerned about the mass immigration of people from areas of the world that are nearly ubiquitously, virulently homophobic and Antisemetic.

Spoiler:

"Only in three countries do as many as one-in-ten Muslims say that homosexuality is morally acceptable: Uganda (12%), Mozambique (11%) and Bangladesh (10%).

In most countries surveyed, fewer than one-in-ten Muslims believe homosexual behavior is not a moral issue. The exceptions are Bangladesh (14%), Guinea Bissau (14%) and Bosnia-Herzegovina (10%)."

Where is the data which asks the same question of Christian populations? It is especially telling that the person compiling that list has a fair bit of bias as they have failed to mention that the Ugandan population, regardless of religion, is very homophobic, to the point that Homosexuality is illegal and carries a maximum sentence of life in prison (which was initially intended to be the death penalty).

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It was indeed sarcasm, a crack on how many of the popularized efforts to stop events like this do nothing of the sort.

my apologies then. This news has put me in somewhat of an angry mood, so I apologise for snapping at you.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:


Yes, it is entirely unreasonable for people to be concerned about the mass immigration of people from areas of the world that are nearly ubiquitously, virulently homophobic and Antisemetic.

Spoiler:

"Only in three countries do as many as one-in-ten Muslims say that homosexuality is morally acceptable: Uganda (12%), Mozambique (11%) and Bangladesh (10%).

In most countries surveyed, fewer than one-in-ten Muslims believe homosexual behavior is not a moral issue. The exceptions are Bangladesh (14%), Guinea Bissau (14%) and Bosnia-Herzegovina (10%)."

Where is the data which asks the same question of Christian populations?

Here is a US survey, I'll keep my eye open for a world wide survey, but this seems... relevent;

Fifty fething people dead?

I think the is literally the first time that I've seen the early reports for a mass shooting be that substantially lower than what ultimately happened.

I'm a little in shock, when I went to bed I had no idea it was going to be as bad as it turned out.

Just heard on the news: man arrested carrying rifles on the way to the LA Gay Pride Parade.

Importance and connection, unknown. Just passing it along.

Edit: LA Times reporting on the above.

There are now reports from survivors that the suspect shouted "Allahu Akbar" during the attack.

 Buzzsaw wrote:
There are now reports from survivors that the suspect shouted "Allahu Akbar" during the attack.

CNN is saying he called 911 and pledged allegiance to ISIS.

 Hordini wrote:

CNN is saying he called 911 and pledged allegiance to ISIS.

That is the Orlando shooter.

 CptJake wrote:

 Hordini wrote:

CNN is saying he called 911 and pledged allegiance to ISIS.

That is the Orlando shooter.

Yes, that is who I'm referring to. I assume that is what Buzzsaw was referring to in his last line about reports from survivors that the suspect shouted "Allahu Akbar" during the attack, since there was no attack in LA and thus no survivors.

I edited my post to be more clear.

NM

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Goliath wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Goliath wrote:
This is neither the time nor the place. Take a long hard look at your life if your first thought upon seeing this news is "hmmm. How can I use this to make a political point?"

... A man just shot up a gay club, this is the perfect god damned time to bring up homophobia and how come the US specifically has so many shootings that this is simply "the most recent gun massacre". Especially against everyone who wants to make it about Muslims and/or people from the Middle East.

Anyone who claims that this is neither the time nor the place to talk about how deeply political this attack is would never find the time and place for it.

yes, but he wasn't discussing homophobia was he? He saw that someone with an Arabic name shot up a club full of lgbt people, and he realised that he had discovered the perfect fething time to criticise refugees and promote gun ownership. feth off with that gak.

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic, because the idea of a lot of people in a cramped, dark space pulling out guns and firing at whatever they think is going on is immediately a very bad scenario. It's taking the usual response of guns protecting against mass shootings and exposing it for how terribly stupid it is by simply spelling it.

If he wasn't sarcastic then uh yeah that was a terrible suggestion.

We're only on page 2 and we already have a beautiful example of a strawman argument. What a wonderful specimen!

 Buzzsaw wrote:


Edit:

It is especially telling that the person compiling that list has a fair bit of bias as they have failed to mention that the Ugandan population, regardless of religion, is very homophobic, to the point that Homosexuality is illegal and carries a maximum sentence of life in prison.

Huh? How is that either 'telling' or relevant to the discussion? Is the implication that mainstream Christianity is aptly represented by attitudes in Uganda?

It has failed to provide a comparison to the overall population attitudes of any of the countries examined. To use Uganda as an example it may be found that the overall attitude to homosexuality of the general population is similar or perhaps even worse than that of the muslim population.

That led officers to inspect the car and find several weapons and a lot of ammunition as well as tannerite, an ingredient that could be used to create a pipe bomb.

Alternately, tannerite could be used by an actual recreational shooter, the kind that would have several weapons and a lot of ammunition. I mean, he may yet to turn out to be a dangerous lunatic yet, but this doesn't mean anything to me yet.

Is this the first real IS attack on US soil?

 Hordini wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Hordini wrote:

CNN is saying he called 911 and pledged allegiance to ISIS.

That is the Orlando shooter.

Yes, that is who I'm referring to. I assume that is what Buzzsaw was referring to in his last line about reports from survivors that the suspect shouted "Allahu Akbar" during the attack, since there was no attack in LA and thus no survivors.

I edited my post to be more clear.

Yeah, sorry if I was unclear, the reports are in relation to the FLA thing, now what just happened in LA. My understanding is that there was no violence in LA.

 Ouze wrote:

That led officers to inspect the car and find several weapons and a lot of ammunition as well as tannerite, an ingredient that could be used to create a pipe bomb.

Alternately, tannerite could be used by an actual recreational shooter, the kind that would have several weapons and a lot of ammunition. I mean, he may yet to turn out to be a dangerous lunatic yet, but this doesn't mean anything to me yet.

I realize that we don't know all exactly what he had at this point, but I don't think it's too far of a stretch that whatever is was is probably illegal in California, since many firearms related things are.

 Goliath wrote:
I genuinely don't know where my emotions are regarding this.

Its absolutely horrible. It's sad and unnecessary. It's a really really shifty reminder that homophobia and hatred of LGBT people is still horrendously present.

And like, I'm going on holiday to Orlando in a fortnight.
I'm going to have a couple of nights to myself when I'm there and Pulse was one of the places that I was tentatively planning on going.

feth this.

Could of happened in any city in the USA and at any kind of establishment. Soft targets are what this psychopaths target. Keep your head on a swivel and be aware of your surroundings.