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Kanluwen wrote:
Sad Panda wrote:

Remember it is still a few months out, especially the 40K stuff.

There are a lot of things in the pipeline before it. Deathwatch for example.

I feel like this got kind of glossed over.

More Deathwatch! Are we gonna see Deathwatch Scouts? Kill Marines? Dreadnoughts?

What secrets do you still guard, Sad Panda! How bad is my wallet going to hurt for Deathwatch?!

It's not gonna bit a huge release, but enough. There's a pretty cool, very sleek dropship/flyer with an enormous Inquisition =I= as fuselage.

Probably builds more than one variant.

28mm Capt. Artemis is also a go, probably a single character clam pack.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/330/679831.page#8714032



Older rumors

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It's also correct that GW doesn't bother re-doing old Codex books, basically since Tau, as they consider 7th a lame duck rule set (there will still be rules for new miniatures, incl. campaigns, Codex Deathwatch, etc..).

Deathwatch miniatures in the boxed game are all mono-pose characters (think Space Hulk, except with normal bases). Sternguard rumors are nonsense. One is possibly the first dedicated Blood Ravens mini by GW (feel free to correct me there. My GW-history-fu is weak)?

Lots of cultists, a few pure genestealers, another new broodlord.

Multi-part kits later this year.


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Originally Posted by drbored
[...]

So MAYBE Genestealers and/or Deathwatch
and POTENTIALLY Dark Angels
and PROBABLY Tzeentch

[...]

Not Maybe

Deathwatch
Genestealer Cult

[...]

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?405659-Plastic-(GW-produced)-Warhammer-30K&p=7385826&viewfull=1#post7385826



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Gathering the Informations.

I'm kinda excited about this, if only to see where they go with it.
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Hmmm, hopefully rules beyond just a specific formation. That flyer sounds pretty rad, and Captain Artemis is a welcome addition to my small force.

From what Sad Panda seems to be implying, it's likely going to be Harlequin sized.

So a Deathwatch Kill-Team box, two accompanying boxes, and the flyer along with the Artemis clam pack.

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Pardon my ignorance, but who is Captain Artemis? I assume he's a legendary Deathwatch character, but I don't recall anything about him.

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He had a nice model back then



Lexicanum fluff article

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Artemis


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I didn't know either, but the wiki has some info:

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Artemis
   
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IIRC he was from the Inquisitor game back in the day.
   
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The Inquisitor models were in a larger, 54mm scale
   
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Yeah,
So most likey
Deathwatch Codex.
Boxed marine overkill sprue.
Shouldpad and upgrades clam pack.

Plus??

And rumours of a Genestealer cult codex makes sense.
Codex plus the boxed 'nid overkill sprue.

Panic...

   
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I hope it's not a boxed version of the Overkill minis. That would suck.

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Doesnt sound like the Deathwatch release will be as big as the Harlequin's. SP called the latter 'one of the biggest in a while' and the DW release 'not huge'. An upgrade sprue maybe, or an infantry boxed set? Havent read anything about it from him yet, so I guess just the Overkill characters plus Artemis? All in single clampacks, or a set like the WHQ four characters expansion?


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Was reading on BOLS that its going to be a kill team size with each model effectively a character with loads of options.

I would love to see some crazy overpowered marines (with suitably over the top costs) so that we can finally have the fluff power that marines are meant to have.

Imagine marines that can take on whole mobs of orks single handedly....
   
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Months ago BOLS's sources said Sternguard models + upgrade sprue and Lictors and Tyranid Warriors in DW: Overkill and (no surprise) were wrong. Yesterday they quoted their industry sources saying there will be an upgrade sprue along the Deathwatch Codex. They dont make it easy to believe them...

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I hope it's not a boxed version of the Overkill minis. That would suck.


I can sort of see where you're coming from here, but at the same time, it'd be nice for folks who just want the Deathwatch minis rather than drop £100 on the board game.
Keeping them non-chapter specific would be a wiser move for sure.

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Gathering the Informations.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I hope it's not a boxed version of the Overkill minis. That would suck.

It's likely to be something like the Overkill models.

I genuinely would be surprised if the Overkill models aren't just specific loadouts from whatever the Kill-Team box will have.

Also, even though Sad Panda hasn't given a timeline...I think we're looking at August for Deathwatch.
Book 9 of "The Beast Arises" series is called "The Watchers in Death" and actually deals with the formation of the Deathwatch. I can't see them missing an opportunity like that.

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There's a pretty cool, very sleek dropship/flyer with an enormous Inquisition =I= as fuselage


I thought they already released the shipping container.

   
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I am thinking it will be an upgrade sprue for the Sternguard kit. Possibly all in one box. Hopefully with a DW Frag Cannon! As long as it gives me a way to make a custom Kill Team to run as aneeded Allied Detachment, I will be happy. Probably going to pick up Captain Artemis and the Flyer/Drop ship at the very least.

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So Artemis
A drop ship of some type
Maybe an upgrade sprue for stern guard

And??? The death watch codex could surely use a few plastic inqusition models to lead them like they do in the fluff.
   
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They surely won't be the same models, as those who bought the Deathwatch: Overkill set are likely to be main customer base! I'm sure their plan is to sell more to these same people.

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gungo wrote:
So Artemis
A drop ship of some type
Maybe an upgrade sprue for stern guard

And??? The death watch codex could surely use a few plastic inqusition models to lead them like they do in the fluff.
Plastic Inquisitor? Have you gone mad? Next you'll be saying they should do plastic Sisters!

Anyway, I really hope the boxed set isn't just an upgrade for Sternguard since it would not capture BA/DA/SW very well. Who knows. A big sheet of random Chapter Shoulder Pauldrons would also be kinda neat (as long as it is front loaded with the main guys).

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Why can’t it be both?

I’d love to see a re-release of the monopose minis from DW:OK. I couldn’t justify the whole box, but just the marines would tempt me.

I would also love to see a chapter upgrade style sprue, for a number of reasons.

One would be the price point. $13.50 is in the impulse buy range.
But the main draw would be it makes for a more robust codex. Right now, GW is firmly in the no model=no rules mindset. But, if they had an upgrade sprue, they could easily include deathwatch assault teams, or deathwatch devs, or anything else that could be made from an existing kit + the upgrade sprue.

Without that, I fear we are doomed to a codex that has rules for one or two units, a handful of characters, and that’s it. I’d like to see a little more meat on the bones here.

   
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Will it be a hardback codex, or digital only.

I hate digital only.

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Well, the reason I suspect it will be the Sternguard kit is also because it includes two very DW items, the Heavy Flamer and the Heavy Bolter. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a DW Marine to be toting something like a Lascannon around. Especially with the DW Frag Cannon fulfilling the role of monster killing better. Even just the regular Tactical Kit would be a good option. Obviously, one could probably include Marines of a different type like an Assault Marine, but Devastators are handled fairly well already.

I would like an impulse buy kit, for sure. I hope the book has something like "this Marine is from Chapter A, he gets ability X". Hopefully they are fairly balanced so people don't have entire Kill Teams from one chapter. I hope it lets me use my DW Overkill dudes alongside custom units (possibly by using customiced units to represent them).

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Gathering the Informations.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Well, the reason I suspect it will be the Sternguard kit is also because it includes two very DW items, the Heavy Flamer and the Heavy Bolter. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a DW Marine to be toting something like a Lascannon around.

Sure it does. Deathwatch can use anything and everything they want/acquire.

That's kind of their schtick.
Especially with the DW Frag Cannon fulfilling the role of monster killing better.

Rules != Fluff.
Even just the regular Tactical Kit would be a good option. Obviously, one could probably include Marines of a different type like an Assault Marine, but Devastators are handled fairly well already.

I wouldn't expect to see Assault Marines within the list, at least not like you're thinking. Remember that the Biker, Terminator, and Jump Pack outfitted Deathwatch members all got placed into their own slots as one-off units. They'll probably fall under a catch-all of a Lone Wolf styled entry that can take different options.


I would like an impulse buy kit, for sure. I hope the book has something like "this Marine is from Chapter A, he gets ability X". Hopefully they are fairly balanced so people don't have entire Kill Teams from one chapter. I hope it lets me use my DW Overkill dudes alongside custom units (possibly by using customiced units to represent them).

Do you have the rules for the Kill Team from Overkill?

Congrats. You can use them alongside whatever this next set is. And this next set is going to be able to bring along Librarians at the least, I guarantee it, since the recent Space Marine Psychic Disciplines included Deathwatch as a faction.


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 Nevelon wrote:
Why can’t it be both?

I’d love to see a re-release of the monopose minis from DW:OK. I couldn’t justify the whole box, but just the marines would tempt me.

I would also love to see a chapter upgrade style sprue, for a number of reasons.

One would be the price point. $13.50 is in the impulse buy range.
But the main draw would be it makes for a more robust codex. Right now, GW is firmly in the no model=no rules mindset. But, if they had an upgrade sprue, they could easily include deathwatch assault teams, or deathwatch devs, or anything else that could be made from an existing kit + the upgrade sprue.

If that's what you want, just play Marines and be done with it.

Without that, I fear we are doomed to a codex that has rules for one or two units, a handful of characters, and that’s it. I’d like to see a little more meat on the bones here.

We literally just got a tidbit from a reliable rumor source about this whole thing and you already want to "see a little more meat on the bones here"?
So far, all we know:

Deathwatch
Artemis clam-shell
Flyer
"Not a big release"
Multi-part kits; able to build stuff from the Overkill board game.

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Was reading on BOLS that its going to be a kill team size with each model effectively a character with loads of options.


It's a reasonable enough guess for BOLS to publish to get page views without knowing anything.

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From Bell of Lost Souls - most likely not true

Today’s batch builds on the first two sets of rumors from yesterday and the weekend:
Industry sources tell BoLS:

The Codex Layout and Rules:

This is a very different layout and organization than the traditional Codex: Space Marines.
The codex will contain a very small number of units and many characters.
Every Character from Deathwatch Overkill is included.
There will be a HQ choice.
There will be 1-2 Troops unit choices.
3-5 Formations.
Drop Pods are the only vehicles described in the codex.
The big theme of the codex is customization. While the number of units is very small, there are lavish and exhaustive upgrade options for each and every model in the army. Things such as wargear, weapons, and even originating chapters all can be picked and have in-game effects.
It is quite possible to sink giant amount of points into a very small amount of models if you wish.


The Previous Rumors:
Industry sources tell BoLS:

New minis accompanying the codex:

A New Terminator HQ model, with full Deathwatch Iconography throughout his armor and is armed for assault.

A New Deathwatch accessory sprue – that will work with the existing Space Marine range.

This is in same vein as the previous Blood Angel, Space Wolves, etc… add-on frames
Deathwatch iconography pauldrons for both PA and Termys.
Deathwatch bolters, assault weapons and wargear.

Sample Blood Angels / Space Wolves Accessory Sprue (for comparison)
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Industry sources tell BoLS:

WHAT: Codex Deathwatch is coming

WHEN: Look for the new codex in late Summer (August-September 2016 timeframe)

HOW: Look for the codex to NOT be a modified version of the Space Marine codex.  It will be a very different animal, representing the unique hard hitting but small forces of the Deathwatch.  There will be both existing minis and new unseen kits coming with the release.




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Gathering the Informations.

And they're out from the get-go; "only vehicle is drop pods".

I'm really hoping for Deathwatch Scouts though. We know they exist; and we know they're supposed to be pretty impressive.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Well, the reason I suspect it will be the Sternguard kit is also because it includes two very DW items, the Heavy Flamer and the Heavy Bolter. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a DW Marine to be toting something like a Lascannon around.

Sure it does. Deathwatch can use anything and everything they want/acquire.

That's kind of their schtick.
Especially with the DW Frag Cannon fulfilling the role of monster killing better.

Rules != Fluff.
Even just the regular Tactical Kit would be a good option. Obviously, one could probably include Marines of a different type like an Assault Marine, but Devastators are handled fairly well already.

I wouldn't expect to see Assault Marines within the list, at least not like you're thinking. Remember that the Biker, Terminator, and Jump Pack outfitted Deathwatch members all got placed into their own slots as one-off units. They'll probably fall under a catch-all of a Lone Wolf styled entry that can take different options.


I would like an impulse buy kit, for sure. I hope the book has something like "this Marine is from Chapter A, he gets ability X". Hopefully they are fairly balanced so people don't have entire Kill Teams from one chapter. I hope it lets me use my DW Overkill dudes alongside custom units (possibly by using customiced units to represent them).

Do you have the rules for the Kill Team from Overkill?

Congrats. You can use them alongside whatever this next set is. And this next set is going to be able to bring along Librarians at the least, I guarantee it, since the recent Space Marine Psychic Disciplines included Deathwatch as a faction.
The reason I doubt a Lascannon DW Marine is going to be very common is because Lascannons are anti-vehicle. Unheard of, probably not. Just rare enough it wouldn't need representation in an actual kit since the bits still exist. I agree that we will probably see Terminators, Bike, and Jump Troops as sort of Lone Wolf units, but I would love to be able to make a Kill Team composed entirely of Jump Units. If only so they don't always need to be single Marines running around since they don't have Independent Character.

I have the DW half of DW Overkill. What I want to be able to do is use some of the Marines from there in a Kill Team, but also some additional Marines not from there. I definitely hope that DW Drop Pods in addition to the Flyer/Dropship are possible.

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