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I dont believe these sources, either. Nothing of what SP mentioned is in those three sets of rumors. Which makes it very unlikely they are true.

 Kanluwen wrote:
And they're out from the get-go; "only vehicle is drop pods".

I'm really hoping for Deathwatch Scouts though. We know they exist; and we know they're supposed to be pretty impressive.

There is a DW Scout in the Ignition book. It seems they aren't your typical 10th Company fare, but elite Marines that are expert snipers and infiltrators. Definitely want some of them!

And yeah, BoLS is full of gas like usual.

As someone who's entire SM army is deathwatch complete with crappy old metal upgrades and kit bashed from all the upgrade sets they made. And the fact that I ran out of pads. I am most stoked for anything new and shiny for my xenos hunters. If the new dex sucks oh well I will keep running Kantor ,sternguard drop pod counts as. But I have hope. The biggest issue I see is a mini sized release that leaves them in the Harlequin need helpers camp.

but elite Marines that are expert snipers and infiltrators.

Its wierd how they have never done this for Marines.....apart from one UM SC.

I bought these some time ago very nice



If the book is heavy on fluff and a hardcopy likely buy it.

Maybe we will actually get a female Inquisitor model !

 Mr Morden wrote:

but elite Marines that are expert snipers and infiltrators.

Its wierd how they have never done this for Marines.....apart from one UM SC.

It's because they never needed to. There's a reason Scouts have the same statline as normal Marines, barring their armor saves.

Anyways, if anyone should be getting those as characters/signature units?
Raven Guard.

I bought these some time ago very nice

Spoiler:

http://anvilindustry.co.uk/Exo-Lords/Black-Ops/Black-Ops-Sniper-Recon-Team

Okay? Good for you.

If the book is heavy on fluff and a hardcopy likely buy it.

Maybe we will actually get a female Inquisitor model !

Why would we get an Inquisitor model with the Deathwatch book?

Deathwatch is their own entity, tied to the Inquisition but not made up of Inquisitors.

Also, we had female Inquisitor models. A couple of them, in fact, with the Witchhunters book back in the day.

Anyways, if anyone should be getting those as characters/signature units?
Raven Guard.

Thats kinda my point - they are included in the generic SM Codex but they and their successors don't have actually have the troops described in the fluff - recent Imperial Armour being a notable example. Also Arn't scouts still BS3 or did that go up in 7.5?

I though the Inqusitor model was mentioned earlier in the thread?

 Mr Morden wrote:

Anyways, if anyone should be getting those as characters/signature units?
Raven Guard.

Thats kinda my point - they are included in the generic SM Codex but they and their successors don't have actually have the troops described in the fluff - recent Imperial Armour being a notable example.

Well yeah, of course they don't. GW's writers basically get told to make Raven Guard the Assault Marine army. There's a reason why the Raptors really need to be updated, and it's so that we can have two different sources to pull from for Raven Guard.
One for the Assault heavy and one for the Ambush heavy.

Also Arn't scouts still BS3 or did that go up in 7.5?

Scouts are BS4.
They have been for at least two books now.

I though the Inqusitor model was mentioned earlier in the thread?

There has been no mention of Inquisition beyond the fact that Sad Panda stated we will be getting a Captain Artemis model. Captain Artemis was a model done for the 54mm Inquisitor range.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Why would we get an Inquisitor model with the Deathwatch book?

Deathwatch is their own entity, tied to the Inquisition but not made up of Inquisitors.

Not made of but under their control and often led by Inquisitors who have identified xenos threat needing elimination.

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Why would we get an Inquisitor model with the Deathwatch book?

Deathwatch is their own entity, tied to the Inquisition but not made up of Inquisitors.

Not made of but under their control and often led by Inquisitors who have identified xenos threat needing elimination.

If by "often" you mean "sometimes".
Inquisitors can petition for the Deathwatch to aid them. That does not mean that the Inquisitors will be leading the Deathwatch into battle.

Guard Commanders can petition for Deathwatch aid. Does that make Deathwatch as part of the Guard?

While I would like to see inquisitors, I’m not sure that’s how GW would do it.

Back in 3rd, there were the Witchhunter and Demonhunter codexes, each with a branch of the inquisition and their militant arm (Sob and GK respectively) IIRC the third leg of the triumverate, the Ordo Xenos and the deathwatch, was never made. If this codex had come out in that era, I’d fully expect to see a strong inquisitional presence.

But the modern GK and SoB codexes have had all the Inq. stuff stripped out. They stand alone in their own codex. I’d expect the same here.

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Why would we get an Inquisitor model with the Deathwatch book?

Deathwatch is their own entity, tied to the Inquisition but not made up of Inquisitors.

Not made of but under their control and often led by Inquisitors who have identified xenos threat needing elimination.

If by "often" you mean "sometimes".
Inquisitors can petition for the Deathwatch to aid them. That does not mean that the Inquisitors will be leading the Deathwatch into battle.

Guard Commanders can petition for Deathwatch aid. Does that make Deathwatch as part of the Guard?

Deathwatch is not Chamber militia(or whatever it was called) of Guard. It is for Ordo Xenos. They were CREATED to be armed fist of the Ordo Xenos. Okay non-Ordo Xenos Inquisitors have bit more paperwork but Ordo Xenos is one of the 3 biggest Ordos...

Ordo Xenos requesting deathwatch is like planetary goverment requesting PDF.

Not to mention Inquisitors have "bit" more authority than Guard commanders(as in obey or you better have ability to kill me)

An upgrade sprue of mainly pads and a few other bits like the Ultra, Da, BA and SW ones would do nicely.

Shapeways has sorted me out for minor chapter pads and there are quite a few from the various FW and GW kits you can repurpose for your needs. eg Phalanx Warder Pads = Executioners.

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Why would we get an Inquisitor model with the Deathwatch book?

Deathwatch is their own entity, tied to the Inquisition but not made up of Inquisitors.

Not made of but under their control and often led by Inquisitors who have identified xenos threat needing elimination.

If by "often" you mean "sometimes".
Inquisitors can petition for the Deathwatch to aid them. That does not mean that the Inquisitors will be leading the Deathwatch into battle.

Guard Commanders can petition for Deathwatch aid. Does that make Deathwatch as part of the Guard?

Deathwatch is not Chamber militia(or whatever it was called) of Guard. It is for Ordo Xenos. They were CREATED to be armed fist of the Ordo Xenos. Okay non-Ordo Xenos Inquisitors have bit more paperwork but Ordo Xenos is one of the 3 biggest Ordos...

Ordo Xenos requesting deathwatch is like planetary goverment requesting PDF.

Planetary governments control the PDF.
The Ordo Xenos does not control the Deathwatch in anything but name.

Either way the Deathwatch fluff, like Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle, has actively moved away from the "Inquisitors have to be in charge" angle and moved towards them being a fighting force in their own right.

Not to mention Inquisitors have "bit" more authority than Guard commanders(as in obey or you better have ability to kill me)

And yet Inquisitors still have to petition for aid from their respective Chambers Militant.

The powers of an Inquisitor's authority are theoretically infinite, but spend too much time abusing said authority or try to brute force someone who isn't scared of your threats and see how it goes.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Also, we had female Inquisitor models. A couple of them, in fact, with the Witchhunters book back in the day.

Yep, think I still have an unopened box with the Inquisitor and retinue in the attic. If the drop ship rumour pans out I may have to paint here up as Inquisitor Ripley, along with a squad or two of ultimate bad asses
Regarding the Deathwatch background, the RPG from Fantasy Flight has some excellent stuff in it. Hopefully GW wont totally contradict it with the codex.

I wonder how GW will handle the chapter pads in this kit. I expect transfers because its eaiser to have a ton of chapter symbols that way, but I could see them going with molded pads. I wonder if they'll release one of those masive transfer sheets like they did with Skitarii and the Tau for even more options.

I imagine that this is a multi-part plastic kit with separate pads. If GW was smart, they'd make this new Deathwath an advertisement for their upgrade sprues and FW parts. All it would take is a small catalog of all their chapter sprues, shoulder pads and FW pads and possibly a showcase of novels that deal with the Deathwatch and the advertised chapters. It could fetch them another pile of pretty pennies in addition to the money the deathwatch box would rake in.

Probably transfers unfortunately. Although there are a few chapters that use the same badge with different colours, having enough different designs to avoid repetition could fill a tac squad sized sprue.

I'm looking forward to this. I might have to make this my purchase after my ta'unar. If its real and if the dropship looks cool.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Probably transfers unfortunately. Although there are a few chapters that use the same badge with different colours, having enough different designs to avoid repetition could fill a tac squad sized sprue.

Yearh, that's a really good point. But it's all the more reason to advertise the chapter-specific kits and bling GW and FW have released over the years.

MacMuckles wrote:
I wonder how GW will handle the chapter pads in this kit. I expect transfers because its eaiser to have a ton of chapter symbols that way, but I could see them going with molded pads. I wonder if they'll release one of those masive transfer sheets like they did with Skitarii and the Tau for even more options.

I imagine that this is a multi-part plastic kit with separate pads. If GW was smart, they'd make this new Deathwath an advertisement for their upgrade sprues and FW parts. All it would take is a small catalog of all their chapter sprues, shoulder pads and FW pads and possibly a showcase of novels that deal with the Deathwatch and the advertised chapters. It could fetch them another pile of pretty pennies in addition to the money the deathwatch box would rake in.

Considering how many Chapters don't even have GW available transfer sheets?

Yeah. It's a great chance for them to do transfers.

I'd be very interested to see how it turns out. Personally i'd love it as a stand alone army that can support itself rather than be taken as a detachment to support another army.
I'd also be very curious to see how they cater for the various chapters, whether they will be mono pose like the Overkill box and set (SW, DA, Scars, etc ) or if theyd just be a mix , or if youd be able to buy upgrade kits for Squads so like a SW Death watch upgrade kit to tack onto a Wolf Pack, etc.

Warhams-77 wrote:He had a nice model back then




Lexicanum fluff article

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Artemis

Now that is a sweet model. Anything like that would make fantastic opportunities to just sink a week of spare time into one glorious marine

BrookM wrote:Quite interested to see how the dropship will turn out.

Me too, i'm wondering how it will come out. I for some reason envisioned something like the new Stormhawk ( new Talon variant) in its style and design just larger.

My money on the Deathwatch dropship is a remodelled version of this thing -



It allows for a ship to drop off your cool dudes into battle, but also can be made into something that can shoot stuff decently well.

Will it have death missiles, death rays, and a special ability death assault

 Vain wrote:
My money on the Deathwatch dropship is a remodelled version of this thing -

Spoiler:

Step 1: Remove all Wolves
Step 2: Take off the top air intake thingy
Step 3: Paint it black
Step 4: Add giant silver =][= to the top and lots of silver =][= gubbinses everywhere.

It allows for a ship to drop off your cool dudes into battle, but also can be made into something that can shoot stuff decently well.

I would be on board with that. The Stormwolf is actually a pretty cool model, so if I get a reason to have it, by all means.

If history is any indicator.....every time I convert up an army, GW comes out with models for it, or changes the rules and makes my models illegal.

I just did 2 squads of sternguard, 15 regular tactical DW marines, and some assorted special weapon/devastator/assault/vanguard marines. and 2 units of scouts. ( all told about 70 guys)


Let's see how they screw me this time!!!! LOL

General Hobbs wrote:


If history is any indicator.....every time I convert up an army, GW comes out with models for it....

Please make a SOB army as soon as you can then!

lol - special character Artemis, assault space marine with a power sword and a boltgun with sight on it.

Boring character, in a boring codex. Stop the boner jamming

 Vain wrote:
My money on the Deathwatch dropship is a remodelled version of this thing -

Spoiler:

Step 1: Remove all Wolves
Step 2: Take off the top air intake thingy
Step 3: Paint it black
Step 4: Add giant silver =][= to the top and lots of silver =][= gubbinses everywhere.

It allows for a ship to drop off your cool dudes into battle, but also can be made into something that can shoot stuff decently well.

That would be cool to see.

Nah that thing looks so hideous I would not be on board.

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
lol - special character Artemis, assault space marine with a power sword and a boltgun with sight on it.

Boring character, in a boring codex. Stop the boner jamming

Assault marine? Assault marine is these days any PA with sword in his hand? Don't recall any fluff specifically mentioning what kind of marine he was in his chapter.

tneva82 wrote:

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
lol - special character Artemis, assault space marine with a power sword and a boltgun with sight on it.

Boring character, in a boring codex. Stop the boner jamming

Assault marine? Assault marine is these days any PA with sword in his hand? Don't recall any fluff specifically mentioning what kind of marine he was in his chapter.

He was a Captain, so he was probably everything at one point...