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A 2 year old boy was attacked by the man made lake to view the magical kingdom around 9 pm. The father attacked the gator but was unable to save the boy it was suppose to be 6 feet long. They are looking for the boys body.
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"The team attempts to relocate the gators to the uninhabited natural areas as best they can, but the gators don't understand the boundaries," he said.
It's not on the gators to understand the boundaries, it should be up to Disney to alert guests to potential hazards. There are no signs up indicating that there may be alligators in the water, just ones that say no swimming. You don't need to be in the water swimming for a gator to have a go at you. They're not sharks.
"The team attempts to relocate the gators to the uninhabited natural areas as best they can, but the gators don't understand the boundaries," he said.
It's not on the gators to understand the boundaries, it should be up to Disney to alert guests to potential hazards. There are no signs up indicating that there may be alligators in the water, just ones that say no swimming. You don't need to be in the water swimming for a gator to have a go at you. They're not sharks.
Um... I stayed on several Disney Resorts in Florida... there's plenty of Gator signs.
Someone got attacked by a gator in Flordia? Tragic but not the biggest surprise in the world.
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"The team attempts to relocate the gators to the uninhabited natural areas as best they can, but the gators don't understand the boundaries," he said.
It's not on the gators to understand the boundaries, it should be up to Disney to alert guests to potential hazards. There are no signs up indicating that there may be alligators in the water, just ones that say no swimming. You don't need to be in the water swimming for a gator to have a go at you. They're not sharks.
Um... I stayed on several Disney Resorts in Florida... there's plenty of Gator signs.
Doesn't mean Disney shouldn't be more vigilant in removing intruding gators. They really should work with local hunters to keep the immediate area gator free. This relocation thing isn't going to cut it.
"The team attempts to relocate the gators to the uninhabited natural areas as best they can, but the gators don't understand the boundaries," he said.
It's not on the gators to understand the boundaries, it should be up to Disney to alert guests to potential hazards. There are no signs up indicating that there may be alligators in the water, just ones that say no swimming. You don't need to be in the water swimming for a gator to have a go at you. They're not sharks.
Um... I stayed on several Disney Resorts in Florida... there's plenty of Gator signs.
Doesn't mean Disney shouldn't be more vigilant in removing intruding gators. They really should work with local hunters to keep the immediate area gator free. This relocation thing isn't going to cut it.
According to the article, the only signs are ones warning people not to swim. That may be false, but if it isn't then they're liable...
The article and others I read. They clearly signed that a no swimming area, and Tha lake is large, there's no way you can stop every gator getting in or catch them.
True, but snse and reason. Its American south. There's always gatora
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"The team attempts to relocate the gators to the uninhabited natural areas as best they can, but the gators don't understand the boundaries," he said.
It's not on the gators to understand the boundaries, it should be up to Disney to alert guests to potential hazards. There are no signs up indicating that there may be alligators in the water, just ones that say no swimming. You don't need to be in the water swimming for a gator to have a go at you. They're not sharks.
Um... I stayed on several Disney Resorts in Florida... there's plenty of Gator signs.
Doesn't mean Disney shouldn't be more vigilant in removing intruding gators. They really should work with local hunters to keep the immediate area gator free. This relocation thing isn't going to cut it.
problem is there are laws protecting Gators from being hunted.
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2016/06/15 19:24:40
Subject: Re:2 year old killed by aligator at disney
Lots of kids go to disney resorts gators eat kids and small animals. I know peta may be pissed but should they mass kull all gators on privately owned land?
But I may be wrong here but are gators a pest in florida or kinda emdangered? I kinda feel loke they are wolves around here shoot on site can give the pelt in for money.
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2016/06/15 19:25:54
Subject: Re:2 year old killed by aligator at disney
I would have thought people would naturally assume any body of water in Florida probably has giant carnivorous reptiles hiding within as a matter of course.
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Disney is like 27,258 acres of swamp lands... There are literally thousands of gators living there. (Just like in every piece of standing water in Florida)
Hunting and removing the gators is a non-starter.
Disney is going to pay that family, no question... but there really isn't much they could have done as signs are background noise. It is fairly common for resorts to turn the waterfront on the edge of a lake into a 'beach' when it really is swamp/marshlands. I suspect the places who have a 'fake beach' on a Florida lake are quickly going to get barriers put up or let it return to tall grass and a barrier so people don't go anywhere near it.
People should assume every body of water in Florida has the potential of a 6ft gator popping out of it at any moment.
They were on the 'fake beach' by the pool bar and the lounge chairs and just assumed there is no threat. It is a giant ass lake in Florida. They will argue the impression of a beach gives the assumption of it being safe.
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2016/06/15 19:52:05
Subject: Re:2 year old killed by aligator at disney
Kilkrazy wrote: Disney Land Tokyo feels super safe yet is subject to earthquakes and typhoons, though not alligators. You can't win against the forces of nature.
This line struck me as funny. While earthquakes and alligators are both "natural" one threat is more manageable than the other. We can't exactly predict earthquakes or prevent them, but people can plan where they build resorts and how those resorts interact with the local environment.
I am frankly shocked Disney didn't have better safety measures in place to prevent something like this from happening. Not only will the forthcoming lawsuit be costly, I would imagine the attendance to that particular resort will plummet on account of this event.
Disney is synchronous with safety, at least that is the image they project, and having near-dinosaur-like creatures plodding around your resort is anything but safe.
2016/06/15 20:00:04
Subject: Re:2 year old killed by aligator at disney
I would imagine the attendance to that particular resort will plummet on account of this event.
I doubt this. Those resorts on the Monorail are the PREMIUM places to stay. I have stayed there. I do not feel unsafe knowing the giant lake in the middle of Florida has giant gators in it. I would stay there again in a heartbeat. Millions of people ride the stupid ferry across that lake to the Magic Kingdom and we *SEE* gators and other wildlife in the water the entire time. Everyone knows the deal.
The family will get paid and the fake beach areas will get turned into a tiki village with no water access and the Disney machine will keep on spinning.
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2016/06/15 20:02:00
Subject: Re:2 year old killed by aligator at disney
I would imagine the attendance to that particular resort will plummet on account of this event.
I doubt this. Those resorts on the Monorail are the PREMIUM places to stay. I have stayed there. I do not feel unsafe knowing the giant lake in the middle of Florida has giant gators in it. I would stay there again in a heartbeat. Millions of people ride the stupid ferry across that lake to the Magic Kingdom and we *SEE* gators and other wildlife in the water the entire time. Everyone knows the deal.
The family will get paid and the fake beach areas will get turned into a tiki village with no water access and the Disney machine will keep on spinning.
This.
It may even spur a more aggressive, liberal 'gator removal programs' for theme parks only.
My current boss is from Florida, and when she learned of this event, her response was "In Florida they teach you to never step in a body of water that isn't a chlorinated swimming pool".
The victim and his family were not from Florida, so it isn't surprising they did not know water is super dangerous down there. Until this morning, I didn't know it, myself. But Disney *does* know, and Disney should've put signs up indicating that gators may have been present. "No swimming" doesn't accurately inform people of the nature of the danger.
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2016/06/15 20:51:13
Subject: Re:2 year old killed by aligator at disney
I would imagine the attendance to that particular resort will plummet on account of this event.
I doubt this. Those resorts on the Monorail are the PREMIUM places to stay. I have stayed there. I do not feel unsafe knowing the giant lake in the middle of Florida has giant gators in it. I would stay there again in a heartbeat. Millions of people ride the stupid ferry across that lake to the Magic Kingdom and we *SEE* gators and other wildlife in the water the entire time. Everyone knows the deal.
Clearly everyone doesn't know the deal, or that little boy would be alive and his father wouldn't have had to jump into a lake to fight a gator.
nkelsch wrote: The family will get paid and the fake beach areas will get turned into a tiki village with no water access and the Disney machine will keep on spinning.
Yep, the family will get paid. The lake probably should have been turned into something with no water access from day 1, but hindsight is a bitch, though I am still really surprised no one in Disney's legal department foresaw the potential for harm at that resort.
And my prediction above isn't that Disney will tank as a company, rather that the resort will see a plummet in attendance. Perhaps I should have added a "temporarily" in front of plummet to be more clear. After this incident I would imagine there are plenty of summer holidays being reconsidered until Disney can show that they have taken measures to protect their patrons properly.
Wait... It is a manmade lake? How did alligators get in there? Do they walk over land to get to new areas? And if so, how did they know there was a lake there? And also, if a lake on your theme park has alligators in it, doesn't it make a lot of sense to fence it off? Not doing that is just asking for this kind of tragedy to be repeated. I also think they should probably hire some hunters and eliminate all alligators in the theme park. Dangerous man-eating animals really shouldn't be in a Disney park.
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2016/06/15 21:55:25
Subject: Re:2 year old killed by aligator at disney
Having lived in FL I've seen first hand that there's gators everywhere, if there's a body of water there a very high probability that there's a gator currently in it or will have one at some point. Even fenced off swimming pools are not immune, they've been known to climb over fences or push under them to get into people's backyards and into swimming pools. The only upside is that they are generally easy to spot while in a swimming pool. When they are in their natural habitat they are much tougher to spot and from the news footage the lake appears looks to be the typical brackish nasty swamp water that's everywhere. It's a man made lake but it's basically a pond and not a clear pristine swimming pool so it's right in line with their natural habitat, which means you have to assume they are in there even if you don't actively see them. (The lake isn't part of the theme park proper, it's part of a hotel/resort area) They manage to get into every body of water, they come in from drainage ditches or stormwater pipes, sewer lines or just walking to get there, they can smell food and bodies of water well over a mile away and if they smell it they'll eventually figure out a way to reach it. For reptiles they can be pretty smart and are completely relentless in finding new bodies of water to occupy.
Signs are constantly ignored which is why people and their pets get attacked, even if there's no signs posted it's still common sense that if you are anywhere in FL you need to be on the watch for gators and snakes as they are absolutely friggin everywhere. As sad as the kids death is it really comes down to a failure of parenting and trying to shift blame away from personal accountability, who the hell lets a kid wade in a lake filled with swamp water? Even if it's empty of gators they could have issues with anything from snakes to parasites or end up drowning because they fall down face first. The parents weren't within reach of the child who was in a body of water, which at that age is an incredibly stupid thing to do. Despite their size and strength gators are fairly timid and only go after very vulnerable prey tend not to attack groups. They also have a very select target size of what they consider potential prey, when there's a full sized human adult present a 6ft or less gator is going to stay well away unless the child or pet wanders on their own and is out of reach. When you start getting gators in the 10-12ft range then adults can become targets if they are in the water.
FL has always had gators, the problem comes from the fact we keep on taking over their living space and we're somehow shocked when conflicts happen. It's just like if you move smack into the middle of bear country you're going to have encounters with bears and you need to keep your head attuned to that fact. Signs might help remind people of that but common sense needs to be used first and foremost.
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2016/06/15 22:15:54
Subject: Re:2 year old killed by aligator at disney
ok just saw pictures of the "Beach" it is not a "beach" per se since the sand is raised above the water and its a bank not a gradual slope into the water.
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2016/06/15 22:27:23
Subject: Re:2 year old killed by aligator at disney
Iron_Captain wrote: Wait... It is a manmade lake? How did alligators get in there? Do they walk over land to get to new areas? And if so, how did they know there was a lake there?
And also, if a lake on your theme park has alligators in it, doesn't it make a lot of sense to fence it off? Not doing that is just asking for this kind of tragedy to be repeated.
I also think they should probably hire some hunters and eliminate all alligators in the theme park. Dangerous man-eating animals really shouldn't be in a Disney park.
Gaters can also just walk.
its also Florida, alligators will just materialize in any unattended body of water.
Both parents were in the immediate vicinity and attempted to save the child, but the average unarmed human is ill-suited to melee combat with a 7 foot dinosaur.
What a horrible story.
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2016/06/16 00:56:30
Subject: Re:2 year old killed by aligator at disney
Ouze wrote: Both parents were in the immediate vicinity and attempted to save the child, but the average unarmed human is ill-suited to melee combat with a 7 foot dinosaur.
What a horrible story.
I can't imagine there was much they could do once the gator had its teeth in. Those jaws are way stronger than your typical person
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